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User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 440 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11159 times:

I thought I would start a thread focussing on Portugal (LIS, FAO, OPO, FNC and PDL) - looking at new routes, carriers etc.

So to start off, let;s look at LIS....

U2 to start EDI in 2010...any other U2 routes expected from LIS?

What about a Middle Eastern carrier from LIS, QR for example? Useful for Latin American links with TP?

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User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11125 times:

BA cancel this evening's LIS-LHR BA503 - bad weather?

User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11025 times:

U2 cancels their LGW service today from LIS.

User currently offlineOffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 905 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11005 times:



Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 1):
bad weather

Yes. No a/c to op the route.

Also canx today
BA FAO LGW
EI FAO LGW
U2 FAO LGW

ZB opd an additional FAO MAN flight today as ZB canx yesterday.

U2 and FR canx yesterday FAO LPL, today all OK.

And the roof at FAO is leaking like a sieve.
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Meanwhile, on the brighter side, the Secretary of State for Tourism presented ANA - Aeroportos de Portugal with a tourism merit medal, saying that as "the main gateway to Portugal, the airports are a fundamental instrument to the growth of tourism."

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When is Beja opening for flights?



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User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10912 times:

Anyone reckon FR will ever get in at LIS? What about new TP routes in Europe this year? DUB? MAN? ATH?

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8657 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10849 times:



Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 4):
Anyone reckon FR will ever get in at LIS?

The latest news is that they are currently negotiating reduced airport fees for LIS and for flights to start by Easter 2010.


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4061 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10824 times:



Quoting Offloaded (Reply 3):

And the roof at FAO is leaking like a sieve.

Well, it has been a year of record rains all over Portugal, I wouldn't be surprised if stuff like that happens, the country is simply not designed for such high amounts of precipitation as this year. My cousin had to move out of her apartment for exactly this issue.



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User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10749 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 5):

The latest news is that they are currently negotiating reduced airport fees for LIS and for flights to start by Easter 2010.

I can'r see TAP being too impressed at that. Maybe they will operate from T2?


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8657 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10742 times:



Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 7):
I can'r see TAP being too impressed at that. Maybe they will operate from T2?

LIS is already loaded with LCC's. One more isn't going to affect TP. Ryanair's customer base is generaly not the same as TP's to begin with (or any other network carrier's). EasyJet was a far bigger threat to TP than Ryanair will be, in my opinion.


User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10733 times:

It's hardly loadesd. U2 and Germanwings and that's about it.

User currently offlineOffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 905 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10702 times:

T2 is domestic only, although the S4 LIS YYZ also departs from T2 but I think it stops in PDL.

Todays ZB FAO LGW is now going to BHX. I think the ZB flight went via ACE today to pick up stranded pax. BA, EI, U2 all canx FAO again today. I hear it's a bit of a mess down there today.



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User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10690 times:

Going back a few posts, does anyone think we'll see any longhaul expansion from LIS in 2010? I would have thought a few more routes eastwards would be deirable..AUH/DXB/DOH, maybe not direct at first, with a stop somewhere en route Tunis, Malta, Larnaca, Tripoli, Rome.....

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8657 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10688 times:



Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 9):
It's hardly loadesd. U2 and Germanwings and that's about it.

Uh? I'll try to list them in alphabetical order but I could be missing one of two with only seasonal service: Aigle Azur, Air Berlin/FlyNiki, Blue Air, Bmi Baby, Clickair, EasyJet, Germanwings, Vueling. SkyEurope also flew to LIS before it folded.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10682 times:
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Hi there,

Jet2.com will resume flights from MAN to FNC on May 4 with 733 equipment.

And is scheduled from PDL new flight to OSL starting on April 26.

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10677 times:

Is PDL to MAN and LGW seasonal or all year?

Not sure if WW are operating to LIS this summer, they have cancelled alot of routes to the UK from Europe recently for summer 2010. I think a seasonal route to a major city like MAN is a crazy anyway. What happens to those who want to travel to anywhere north of London in the winter? Answer...pay extreme prices with someone like BA or AF.


User currently offlineOffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 905 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10670 times:



Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 13):
PDL new flight to OSL

with S4

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 12):
Clickair, EasyJet, Germanwings, Vueling

. Monarch have opd out of LIS before but no idea if they will be back this year.

Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 11):
Going back a few posts, does anyone think we'll see any longhaul expansion from LIS in 2010? I would have thought a few more routes eastwards would be deirable..AUH/DXB/DOH, maybe not direct at first, with a stop somewhere en route Tunis, Malta, Larnaca, Tripoli, Rome.....

You already have some of those in the form of LIS TUN with TU and LIS MLA with KM (doesn't seem to be on the menu for this year though). TP has, through codesharing with AC, CO and UA, covered North America quite well and the same towards Asia with LH, TG etc. Maybe someone like 8U might one day do LIS TIP LAD, or LIS TIP MPM ? I really don't see EK EY QR flying to LIS soon, as I can't see where the traffic would come from.



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User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10657 times:

The traffic would essentially have to come from Brazil in the form of transit traffic.


From what I can see, having lived and worked at LIS for a while now, is that it needs a bit of a kick up the rear. There doesn't seem to be the same hunger at LIS for attracting new carriers and routes as there are in other European cities of similar size. I am not sure why that is.

I know there was a rumour that SA were looking at a JNB-LIS-DUB routing for summer, had Ireland qualified for the World Cup.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8657 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10636 times:



Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 16):
From what I can see, having lived and worked at LIS for a while now, is that it needs a bit of a kick up the rear. There doesn't seem to be the same hunger at LIS for attracting new carriers and routes as there are in other European cities of similar size. I am not sure why that is.

All of Portugal needs a kick in the pants but the airport is also very capacity limited. There's very little room for growth during the most sought after times of the day. Portuguese business was expanding into Eastern Europe quite strongly until the recent economic down turn brought things to a halt. As a result we saw TP add service to Moscow and Warsaw. I think when things improve again, we should expect to see more Eastern Europe routes. And i strongly believe that we will see some sort of Asia service quite soon.


User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10614 times:

An Asia service from TAP or CA?

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8657 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10595 times:



Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 18):
An Asia service from TAP or CA?

I don't think TP would allow CA or any other Asian carrier to start the route first but if they did, I think a ANA 787 would be ideal for a LIS route to link to TP's Brazilian network, for example.


User currently offlineOffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 905 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10578 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 19):
think a ANA 787 would be ideal for a LIS route to link to TP's Brazilian network, for example.



TYO LIS SAO would be longer than the current JL48 TYO JFK GRU, so if Brazil was key, why not just fly TYO SAO? EK flies DXB SAO.

Is Brazil the only market that determines the success of LIS? Surely not?



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8657 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10553 times:



Quoting Offloaded (Reply 20):
TYO LIS SAO would be longer than the current JL48 TYO JFK GRU, so if Brazil was key, why not just fly TYO SAO? EK flies DXB SAO.

I'm assuming that TYO=Tokyo. LIS is a mere 300+ miles longer than JFK but without the congestion, weather delays, and visa&immigration requirements that JFK has. JFK gives you only access to GRU and GIG whereas LIS gives you access to 6 cities in Brazil. With the right amount of O&D traffic between Japan and Portugal I have no doubt that a NRT/NGO-LIS flight would do very well.

Quote:
Is Brazil the only market that determines the success of LIS? Surely not?

Possibly not but for TP, Brazil and Africa pretty much determine it's future. IB would not be the carrier that it is today without it's Latin America network for example. By the same token there would be no TP today without Brazil.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10554 times:
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Quoting Offloaded (Reply 20):
so if Brazil was key, why not just fly TYO SAO? EK flies DXB SAO.

There's no plane able to fly such route.

Quoting Offloaded (Reply 20):
Is Brazil the only market that determines the success of LIS? Surely not?

No, but TP got a lot of business because of the secondary destinations in Brazil (BSB, CNF, SSA, REC, FOR and NAT) as well as the good coverage at GIG.
There's no service from France, Germany, Italy, UK, Netherlands, Switzerland and others for any of the secondary destinations. ANd even for places like Russia, Greece and others, no service at all to Brazil.



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User currently offlineLisbonBearUK From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10510 times:

If TP want to make some monry, maybe they should look at LOS as a destination, enhancing their west Africa network.

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8657 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10464 times:



Quoting LisbonBearUK (Reply 23):
If TP want to make some monry, maybe they should look at LOS as a destination, enhancing their west Africa network.

Portugal's energy interests in Africa are primarily in Angola and Algeria. I don't think there is much of a market between Portugal and Nigeria and to go after the connecting traffic could cause serious security problems and added costs. LOS is a very tricky place to operate to. I'm not sure any foreign carrier overnights at LOS which should be indicative of what kind of place it is.


25 LisbonBearUK : So we are expecting an announcement soon at LIS from FR? Sounds interesting.....any idea on routes? France will focus heavily no doubt, along with the
26 Humberside : That is a new service rather than a resumption
27 Fxramper : Any plans for CO to upgrade their service (752) from EWR to LIS?
28 Pe@rson : Seems like the ever-present speculation to me.
29 Offloaded : No. The 752 suits them just fine. I think everyone has to out by midnight.
30 Offloaded : EI dropping FAO LGW according to Joost in another thread, and confirmed by ei.com.
31 LisbonBearUK : More cancellations today from LIS: BA499 to LHR. Not surprised, lots of capacity on that route. Maybe they'll start another LIS route, LGW maybe, or e
32 Pyrex : MAN - FNC on a 733? That is a lot of distance on that flight. Considering that the flight is almost entirely over water (more fuel reserves), FNC has
33 LisbonBearUK : LS are using a 757 to FNC I understand. Are S4 still operating to LGW and MAN? More delays at LIS today for London flghts.....more heavy snow presicte
34 Airbazar : At about 300nm or less off the coat of N.Africa, FNC is hardly in the middle of the Atlantic and MAN-FNC is only 1400nm. The Canary Islands are a mer
35 LisbonBearUK : Have TP got any new routes planned from LIS or OPO for summer 2010?
36 Humberside : Currently Jet 2 don't have any B757's based at EDI. If EDI-FNC could be done on a B737-300 then maybe, but if it would need a B757 then unlikely unle
37 LisbonBearUK : When does Beja open?
38 Tsnamm : [ We have nothing to upgrade it with, without downgrading some other wide body destination...I believe all you might see is an additional frequency in
39 Airbazar : I suspect now that CO is a *A member an upgrade may be in the cards. For starters, CO's own FF customers can now opt to fly with TP which has a much
40 LipeGIG : I don't know about new routes, but the routes to GIG, GRU and BSB will be back to daylight. This will free at least 2 frames. OPO-GIG - 2x weekly OPO
41 RAFVC10 : As I posted few minutes ago, Andalus will start new flights on the summer season flying to Portugal. - Malaga - Lisbon - Malaga From March 28 with Emb
42 Airbazar : Really? Is this true for both LIS and OPO or just OPO? If true, does that mean that the short lived "redeye" experiement failed? I was not expecting
43 C010T3 : Not sure, but they do need to change the schedules in order to increase frequencies and aircraft utilization.
44 Offloaded : TP uses a 332 or 343 depending on day of the week, CO is always a 757. Sure the Airbii are more spacious, but "better product" especially now with CO
45 LisbonBearUK : No AGP-LIS showing on Andalus' website - just RAK-LIS.
46 RAFVC10 : It was a project that never saw the light... AGP-LIS is scheduled on Amadeus.net from March 28, 2010. Regards, Gerard
47 Post contains links and images Airbazar : A matter of opinion? You must be joking. EWR is predominantly an A332. the A340 is used only seasonaly for shor tperiod of time but even that is beco
48 LisbonBearUK : I think LIS-GIB would be a good route for Andalus too.
49 Pyrex : I agree with the spacious part but I flew LIS-EWR on CO in March and my 757 had PTVs in Y as well (with a better programming than in TAP's ones, in f
50 LisbonBearUK : Does anyone know why TP operate to Dakar? What's the connection between Portugal and Senegal?
51 Pyrex : I might be wrong but I believe the main reason TP has so many flights to Dakar is to serve the Guinean community, as it is much easier to fly to Daka
52 LatinThug : Thats right the southern part of senegal is the Casamanse region where the people are culturally closer to Guinea-Bissau, the even speak the same por
53 Flywrite : Can anyone tell me how long SATA will be operating the BAe ATP for within the Azores? And do they have any new routes to Europe planned?
54 LisbonBearUK : Woudln't it make more sense if TP took on the WW LIS-MAN route year round, say three times a week, and amalgamated into a proper *A service? I don't k
55 Airbazar : However, there's also a lot of tourism from Portugal to Senegal.
56 LipeGIG : Just published and also being disucssed on a specific thread, TP announced today in Brazil that they will be flying LIS-VCP, it's 9th destination in B
57 LisbonBearUK : Are TP looking at other countries in South America or Africa as destinations.
58 LatinThug : TAP will launch flights to Sao Pedro airport VXE , they were waiting for the new airport to be certified which it now is. It will be the third destin
59 LipeGIG : Will be a very good addition !
60 LisbonBearUK : I'd like to see U2 base some a/c at LIS. I think they could provide some useful connections from the Portuguese capital to say VIE, PRG, BFS, ATH, MLA
61 LisbonBearUK : Saw tge new gates at LIS today. Looks very nice - clearly alot of cash been spent. They seem to be installing a passport control before you can access
62 LatinThug : ] Did you take any snaps? Are they using those gates for A330/A340 TAP flights too?
63 Offloaded : If it makes sense, WW probably don't do it! NI used to operate LIS MAN (via OPO I think) but those flights were always expensive. WW have launched an
64 Offloaded : Not able to post a link, but from The Portugal News: Azores and Madeira get €37m airport boost 16/1/2010 The European Investment Bank (EIB) has gran
65 LisbonBearUK : Apparently they are also building a totally new arrivals hall at LIS....not exactly sure when it is due to open.
66 Offloaded : Why invest significant sums in LIS if Alcochete is due to be open in 2017? Any ideas what will happen to LIS? Or is the idea to have 2 airports? The n
67 LisbonBearUK : I doubt the new airport will open before 2020, if at all. They haven't even started on it yet. When does the Metro open at Lisbon Airport? They are ex
68 Airbazar : Those gates will predominantly be used for the Brazil/Africa/US flights. They were built specifically to handle the large widebody in TP's fleet. Bec
69 Lisbonbearuk : Well, if Brazil/US/Africa flights are going to be there, and the immigration embarkation zone moves beyond gate 26, the non-Schenghen Euro flights su
70 Johner : Does anyone know if TP is happy with its new LIS-HEL,DME,WAW routes?
71 Lisbonbearuk : All I know is DME is a LONG way on a 320 when there's a headwind!
72 Airbazar : In theory but I would guess the A330/A340 flights will get priority and the other non-schengen flights will continue to use the remote stands like th
73 Lisbonbearuk : BA do not do remote at LIS.....and won't in the future.
74 BuyantUkhaa : I've been flying LIS-WAW a few times recently and load factors were very high on my flights (packed really), but I don't know how that is on weekdays
75 LisbonBearUK : Is there a reason why there are no direct flights between LIS and LPA/TFS/ACE/FUE? I am sure there must be a market for travel to the Canaries from Po
76 Pe@rson : FR flies from OPO to both TFS and LPA.
77 Airbazar : It's tiny. Not only do the Portuguese have their own "Canaries" in Madeira, but also for a true tropical island experience, Cape Verde is the prefere
78 LisbonBearUK : So what market are FR serving from OPO to the Canaries?
79 Airbazar : I have no idea but I'd guess a very small one. FR does have the ability to create a market where one doesn't exist due to it's incredibly low fares a
80 LisbonBearUK : I am not convinced.....FR do not usually have the inclination to create markets, they go in and exploit them as much as they can. If they are to open
81 Hardiwv : There is speculation of LIS-VCP but nothing confirmed yet. Rgs,
82 Pe@rson : FR has started many, many brand-new routes. Where they compete, FR stimulates demand - often very significantly - by targeting price-elastic segments
83 LisbonBearUK : So are you saying they probably would not bother with LIS, where TP have a strangle hold on routes?
84 Post contains links LipeGIG : http://www.panrotas.com.br/noticia-t...s-para-julho_54447.html?pesquisa=1 Said by one of TP's vice-presidents. Plus all the flights to Brazil now are
85 Airbazar : I don't agree and if you read enough posts here on a.net about FR you'll find out that most people wouldn't agree with you. FR has created an entire
86 Shamrock604 : Hello My Portuguese friends! I am travelling to LIS for the first time next week to spend a couple of days chilling out... I've been to portugal befor
87 Hardiwv : VCP was by far the fastest growing airport in Brazil in 2009 and has become a good complement to the Sao Paulo terminal. However, I still think the a
88 Post contains links Airbazar : LIS is so cramped inside the city that it's virtually impossible not to find a good spotting spot. The limitting factor being how far you're willing
89 LipeGIG : No Hardi, there's facilities ready to use. Remember that crew on cargo planes have to clear immigration. In fact there's room for more, and i do beli
90 Shamrock604 : " target=_blank>http://www.portugalspotters.org/index.php excellent! thank you..... looking forward to my trip.. heard many good things about Lisbon.
91 Hardiwv : I disagree about facilities in VCP. Having used VCP a couple of times during the last months I can ensure you that facilities are very poor. However,
92 LipeGIG : You used domestic facilities. There is an area for international flights.
93 Hardiwv : VCP has no bridge to start with and immigration has two desks (I hope they will improve this). But lets hope the Government gives a quick go ahead to
94 LipeGIG : Neither LIS has bridges to all flights nor GRU nowadays even to larger planes. A terminal is expected in my view just to 2015.
95 Hardiwv : Majority of planes in LIS and GRU are served by bridges. Rgs,
96 Post contains links Airbazar : That wasn't quite the link I was looking to post. Here's one for just the maps: http://www.portugalspotters.org/guias/lppt.php A note about the maps:
97 Shamrock604 : Great! I remember seeing ads for an aviation shop at the airport. Is that still open? Is it worth a visit? Thanks again!
98 LisbonBearUK : Runours of Air Baltic to start LIS and possibly OPO to RIX. Would be good if it happens, there are currently no Baltic cities served from Portugal.
99 LisbonBearUK : I notice today that TACV's service to Praia makes a stop in LPA....so LIS has at least one Canary Islands service a week!
100 LatinThug : TACV used to fly direct to LIS from RAI ..when did they start going via LPA ?? From what i remember the LPA stop used to be on the SID - AMS route...
101 Airbazar : TAP is adding RAK (Marrakech), starting in June. Flight will operate 3 times per week, on Tue, Fri, and Sun. Outbound flight dep LIS at 5:15pm and arr
102 LisbonBearUK : What terrible timings for connections! They must be confident that they have enough point to point traffic for this route? I hear at LIS that there ma
103 airbazar : Yeah, this for O&D traffic only. TP is always very conservative when introducing new cities. Casablanca also started with only 5 weekly frequenci
104 Pyrex : Wasn't Casablanca an old Portugalia route? In any case, I am not sure what equipment they are flying this with but I am sure O&D is enough to fil
105 LatinThug : From what I remember, this route was a operated by Regional Airlines (morocco) which was a Portugalia codeshare. I believe the aircraft to be used on
106 Post contains links hardiwv : I posted TAP loads number on another thread Brazilian Aviation News 3 (by Hardiwv Jan 23 2010 in Civil Aviation) but think this is relevant for the di
107 airbazar : JNB is a relic of the old TAP and it needs some serious attention if it is to survive. It was hard in the past to sell JNB to connecting passengers o
108 hardiwv : I am a bit sceptical about Asia for which LIS is not a good connecting hub (not even IB flies Asia). I would rather see TP using the aircraft to anot
109 LatinThug : Well there seems to be a lot of Middle-east to Brazil flights at the moment, couldn't TAP take a slice of that pie? There was talk of them launching
110 airbazar : Well, TP has a pretty decent network to Brazil and Africa for which LIS is no worse of a connection point than any other airport in Europe. And then
111 Pyrex : Yes, but can't they do that with an A320?
112 LatinThug : Of course ! they dont have the demand or spare aircraft for A330/A340 on that route !!! I believe the North African/East Med destinations will increa
113 airbazar : I just looked at the schedule and JNB is not a standalone route yet, only MPM has a 1 weekly non-stop flight. TP flies 3x weekly to JNB and MPM in a
114 LisbonBearUK : There was talk of SA starting LIS-JNB, with possibly a tag on in Europe: DUB and MAN were mentioned at the time. That would work right well I think.
115 baguy : When I went to Lisbon last in August, I stayed at the Novotel Praca de Espanha. You can lie on a lounger by the pool and the aircraft on final approa
116 Post contains images BuyantUkhaa : Or have a drink on the rooftop terrace at ISCTE - that's very low and cheap beer  
117 LisbonBearUK : Anyone know if the extra BA flight is going to happen from FAO and LIS this summer? Is it true the BA FAO-LGW may move to LHR?
118 LisbonBearUK : When is the metro due to open at Lisbon airport? Is the extension being built currently?
119 hardiwv : Thanks for the information. I think TP could fly MPM nonstop dedicated 5 weekly. MPM has a lot of potential because of the O&D and the lack of co
120 airbazar : MPM also has a LOT of cargo which is obvious when you think that Mozambique does not produce much and they need to import everything from bottled wat
121 LisbonBearUK : I have heard TP are looking at EZE as a new destination in Latin America.
122 LatinThug : but do they have an aircraft free to do that route? They dont have any planes on order so unless they lease, I dont see how they can! Maybe someone c
123 LisbonBearUK : Could it not be a tag on to a GIG or a GRU service, like BA does?
124 LatinThug : Cant see them doing that with GRU or GIG ! Maybe with CNF but still unlikely! I know TP have been desperate to serve POA but due to the short runway
125 Bedo : Do you know why BA don't fly to OPO?? Could be a great connection to the BA network.
126 LisbonBearUK : Well they did, as GB Airways, but they got taken over by U2, and the rest, as they say, is history. It would only make a good connection if it went in
127 Bedo : But it's a late night flight, could be great to have a early morning flight to LHR
128 LipeGIG : Why not a triangular LIS-POA-EZE-LIS. It's a way to develop both POA and EZE, as well as they could better understand the reaction of EZE market to T
129 LisbonBearUK : Anyone know then the metro to Lisbon Airport is due to open?
130 rutankrd : Anyone know then the metro to Lisbon Airport is due to open? Whats wrong with the cream Merc taxi and slightly deranged driver experience ? (Tongue in
131 airbazar : Last I heard, it's December 2010.
132 LisbonBearUK : Good, not long to wait then. It's an extension from Oriente, no?
133 Post contains links airbazar : Yes it is. http://www.metrolisboa.pt/Default.aspx?tabid=381
134 Pyrex : Blimey, didn't even know construction hadn't started yet. Too bad it is totally impractical and useless if you want to go to anywhere near downtown L
135 Post contains links airbazar : Not necessarily. Look at the map: http://www.metrolisboa.pt/Default.aspx?tabid=381 This extension adds an insignificant 5 minutes to the trip to down
136 Post contains images swissa330 : they are now Black/green again, like in the old days Maybe Carris will now change back to the 'laranjinhas' as well
137 LisbonBearUK : Does PGA actually exist anymore as an airline? If not, why are there still aircraft in that airline's colours?
138 Post contains links airbazar : Yes. Portugalia is not TAP but rather a subsidiary of TAP. Flights have a TP code but "Operated by Portugalia Airlines" http://www.flytap.com/Portuga
139 Offloaded : No, the GB Airways flight was canned a long time before they got taken over by U2. It was a late evening departure which left connecting the same day
140 gayrugbyman : How many Everton vs Sporting charters were there today at LIS?
141 LisbonBearUK : Reports on another thread suggest TP are cancelling their OPO-LHR flights ths summer. Any news on this?
142 Post contains links Humberside : http://airlineroute.net/2010/01/20/tp-opo-eus10/ OPO-LGW is upgraded from Fokker's to Airbuses as a partial replacement
143 CSTOE : Hi LisbonBearUk, TAP is currently selling OPO-LHR tickets for the "winter season".
144 CSTOE : My 2 cents... I would like to see TP flying to DXB. DXB is not just a business + an increasingly interesting holiday destination for some Portuguese p
145 airbazar : Simply put, TP doesn't have the aircraft for it. They don't have any available aircraft and they don't have a right size aircraft for such a route (t
146 Post contains links hardiwv : It seems Campinas, Brazil will very soon be confirmed as TAP next long-haul destination. 3 weekly LIS-CPQ/VCP flights are due to start in July 2010 an
147 airbazar : TP really needs F class or at least more J seats for GRU and GIG. Since the opening of the North pier at LIS with 7 new gates able to accomodate the
148 hardiwv : This is true, nowadays LH/LX which only operate 20 weekly flights to Brazil (FRA-GRU, MUC-GRU and ZRH-GRU) offer more premium seats (C+F) than TAP wi
149 LipeGIG : I would say and agree about GIG, GRU and LAD. I believe the A332 was badly configured with just 24C and at least 3 to 5 should be improved to 36C or
150 hardiwv : I fully agree. The problem is that with aircraft configured differently just for GRU/GIG/LAD makes work difficult in aircraft allocation and last min
151 LipeGIG : They can always use a premium plane on a non-premium route giving the loads are around 80 to 90% in general. It's bad for fleet and network managemen
152 hardiwv : Indeed, Lipe, but normally we see airlines having a standard configuration, see TAM A332s and B77ws, or KLM B772s and A332s. Some airlines with bigge
153 LipeGIG : Yes , agree with your comment. However TAM, KLM, LH and BA have more than two types of widebodies for each specific mission / market demand. TP holds
154 hardiwv : Yes, I fully agree. Rgs,
155 gayrugbyman : Do AT always use the ATR on the CMN-LIS route?
156 Offloaded : Yes. ======== TP is migrating to Amadeus this weekend. Expect minor chaos between 1730 Saturday and 0630 Sunday.
157 C010T3 : Really? That's great! I'm looking forward to being able to check my reservation status online. Up until now that was not possible.
158 LisbonBearUK : Are we expecting all pilots to strike at TP over Easter? I see Ryanair are exploiting the looming chaos in their advertising!
159 Offloaded : So despite BA stating that they will be operating 60% of total flights including 50% from Gatwick during the strike, not a single BA LHR LIS or LGW FA
160 LisbonBearUK : So what, if anything, have BA operated today and yesterday? Also, I heard TP are looking to start an Algiers service. Any news?
161 airbazar : Old news. The flight was supposed to start last Fall but it was delayed twice due to "burocratic" reasons. The flight is now set to start June 1st, o
162 LisbonBearUK : Exciting times ahead for FAO too this Spring with the introduction of all the FR routes. I just wish they'd start from LIS and give us some real compe
163 LisbonBearUK : Will BA be operating any flights to LIS during the next strike?
164 offloaded : Yes. SAT 27MAR10 1 LHR LIS 0730 1000 BA 500 2 LHR LIS 1530 1800 BA 502 3 LHR LIS 1910 2145 BA 504 FLIGHT CANCELLED SUN 28MAR10 1 LHR LIS 0740 1015 BA
165 gayrugbyman : I see FR laucnhed their base yesterday at FAO with 7 based birds. Also, I see there are new services from FMC to TLL and NTE this summer. Didn;t reali
166 Humberside : Newmarket Holidays special departure charter flight - the ones that are often advertised as 'reader holidays' in UK newspapers - departs IOM on the 1
167 LisbonBearUK : ANA claom in the press this week that charter flights will start into Beja next summer. We will see....quite who will want to use it remains to be see
168 airbazar : I read that airlines in general may be using Beja to park the planes, not necessarily to enplane/deplane passengers there. For non-regular operations
169 gayrugbyman : What's all the building work that is going on at LIS? Seems to be quite an extensive project.
170 Post contains links airbazar : Expansion which should be all done by next year. In December the new North pier was open a few months ahead of schedule I might add. I believe the ne
171 LisbonBearUK : Has anything arrived/departed LIS today?
172 Dirkou : Why isn't runway 35 definitely closed to free up some more space for aircraft parking?
173 Post contains links airbazar : Some good news out of Portugal finally. Looks like traffic is definitelly on the up swing. http://www.presstur.com/site/news.asp?news=24842 GRU is the
174 LipeGIG : It's over last year numbers which were very weak due to the crisis. But the grow experienced by REC, GIG and specially GRU is amazing. That's why TP
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