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United Rights To Serve India Via Asia?  
User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

Looking at the global economic recovery, it seems that China and India will be amongst the first major international markets to start regrowing traffic to/from North America.

Ample service exists in dormancy or in plans for future service starts to cover this, but looking at India, while there was a massive build up and then drop in service, it seems there will be room to grow there again.

With India's aviation industry a shell of its once burgeoning self (Kingfisher and Jet leasing out and rejecting delivery of aircraft, Indian/Air India having labor strife and other issues), it appears that North American and European carriers will form the bulk of this new expansion.

Across the Atlantic, Air India offers a few nonstops (JFK-BOM and DEL, and IAD-BOM, I believe) which, of course, have more of a struggle to be profitable due to the economics of ULH flying (the need to carry more fuel to support the weight of .... more fuel). AA offers ORD-DEL, as well as connections on BA through LHR (to me that doesn't sound like the most attractive option, though), DL offers BOM service through its scissor hub at AMS (as well as hand-off service to other destinations via KL at AMS and AF at CDG) and UA passes off pax to LH via FRA and MUC.

SO

This leaves points east of the Mississippi (and connecting traffic from South America) very well covered, but for traffic going to/from the US West Coast, it means a lengthy transcon, or connecting through Europe to get to India.

Given that UA once served DEL, but no longer does, and has substantial feed through NRT and HKG

Does UA have the rights to fly to India via HKG or NRT (NRT being a few hundred miles shorter and having more connecting opportunities).

Does anyone know if much traffic from LAX/SFO/SEA finds its way onto NH flights ex NRT bound for India?

Routing through NRT to India is several hundred miles shorter than through FRA.


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User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

AI doesn't have a non-stop from IAD; it's a tag-on from JFK. You missed the CO service from EWR. The topic of UA and India was discussed recently here
Will United Ever Return To India? (by Ryu2 Nov 22 2009 in Civil Aviation)

In that topic, this idea of a west coast-pacific-india connection was mentioned for UA, and not thought to be feasible for now.

UA used to operate the route you mention, LHR-DEL-HKG as part of a round-the-world flight connecting then to IAD and LAX.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3144 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
Does UA have the rights to fly to India via HKG or NRT (NRT being a few hundred miles shorter and having more connecting opportunities).

UA has the right to fly between any point in Japan and any point in India with full 5th freedom rights. I'm not sure about HKG anymore, IIRC the bilateral allows 5 beyond flights from HKG and while US airlines only use three of them (UA-SGN & SIN, DL-NRT) I'm not sure if India is allowed as a beyond point anymore. At the time UA was flying DEL-HKG with 5th freedom rights CX, and to a lesser extent AI, was having a fit as the bilaterals between HKG and India did not allow each others home carriers to serve the market daily.



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User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

As far as US - India non-stops go, isn't there now an open skies agreement between US and India?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24922 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2740 times:



Quoting COEWR787 (Reply 3):
As far as US - India non-stops go, isn't there now an open skies agreement between US and India?

Yes, since January 2005.


User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2632 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):

This leaves points east of the Mississippi (and connecting traffic from South America) very well covered, but for traffic going to/from the US West Coast, it means a lengthy transcon, or connecting through Europe to get to India.

It'd be just as bad. It'd still be a lengthy transcon from LAX-NRT-DEL. LAX-NRT is about the same as LAX-LHR 4700 nm. NRT-DEL is probably shorter than the Europe-India sector but not by much, and connecting in DEL to reach BOM is likely not desirable.


User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

With the advent of 787 class planes I would expect to see US West Coast to India non-stops. They are already possible with 77Ls but the finances are probably not quite attaractive enough to cause someone to fly such yet.

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