LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22024 posts, RR: 51 Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
AM applied with the DOT to operate daily MEX-IAD service utilizing B737-700s. No proposed start up date was offered.
OST-2010-0002
Wonder how serious AM is about this route, or if simply an exercise to be awarded the authority for yet another market without subsequent flights. Record shows they applied for the route in 2004 also -- did they ever commence it then?
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1797 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): Wonder how serious AM is about this route, or if simply an exercise to be awarded the authority for yet another market without subsequent flights. Record shows they applied for the route in 2004 also -- did they ever commence it then?
Lol. I know several a.nutters will reply to this post saying that it is just one more in the endless series of applications for routes that AM never launches. AM did not launch MEX-IAD in 2004 to the best of my knowledge.
In all seriousness, I hope AM will actually go ahead with this one. I believe the route is served by UA 7x weekly with A319 or A320s and I could imagine that there is sufficient demand for additional service.
NetjetsINTL From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1741 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1): Lol. I know several a.nutters will reply to this post saying that it is just one more in the endless series of applications for routes that AM never launches. AM did not launch MEX-IAD in 2004 to the best of my knowledge.
In all seriousness, I hope AM will actually go ahead with this one. I believe the route is served by UA 7x weekly with A319 or A320s and I could imagine that there is sufficient demand for additional service.
agree Eddie, a few guys will come on here and I say Aeromexico has no intention of ever launching this route, just like PHL, DTW and others.....I for one think Aeromexico will launch the route this time. maybe this is a response to Mexicana's IAD-CUN???
I wonder if their primary target is the O&D traffic between the capitals or the healthy Central American traffic out of IAD???
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4719 posts, RR: 15 Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1723 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1): Lol. I know several a.nutters will reply to this post saying that it is just one more in the endless series of applications for routes that AM never launches.
Who can resist an invitation like this?
I will broaden your statement a bit, Eddie, to include: "or the additional many routes that AM actually starts and gives up within months or maybe a year." (ABQ being the latest example.) There, I think we've got it covered now...
Swissair4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1699 times:
will AM return to ATL market....in mid 2009 they re-started ATL ops with a ATL-CUN service.....when was it stopped?
that flight was full to my knowledge.
they also had DFW service.....but I guess since MX now serves DFW, and does well with A319/A318 service that they dont need AM in DFW???
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1643 times:
Quoting NetjetsINTL (Reply 3): just like PHL, DTW and others.....I for one think Aeromexico will launch the route this time. maybe this is a response to Mexicana's IAD-CUN???
Yeah, DTW was actually launched with E-190s via MTY 3 or 4x weekly if I am not mistaken, but it did not last long. I guess DL's A319 daily DTW-MEX service is sufficient to satisfy whatever demand exists. Pax from cities in Northern Mexico where Ford, G.M. and Chrysler have plants will have to make do with connections at IAH, ORD, DFW, PHX, ATL, etcetera.
Quoting NetjetsINTL (Reply 3): I wonder if their primary target is the O&D traffic between the capitals or the healthy Central American traffic out of IAD???
I dunno but my assumption is they are mostly going after O&D. AM only has flights to SAP in Central America, so I don't see Central American traffic being high on the mind of AM. Maybe AM also wants to get a few D.C./Virginia passengers going to other Mexican cities.
Quoting SANFan (Reply 4): I will broaden your statement a bit, Eddie, to include: "or the additional many routes that AM actually starts and gives up within months or maybe a year." (ABQ being the latest example.)
Lol.
Quoting Swissair4ever (Reply 5): will AM return to ATL market....in mid 2009 they re-started ATL ops with a ATL-CUN service.....when was it stopped?
that flight was full to my knowledge.
they also had DFW service.....but I guess since MX now serves DFW, and does well with A319/A318 service that they dont need AM in DFW???
I believe AM will relaunch ATL this year based on the CEO's comments on the editorial section of the inflight magazine of December 2009, but I am not so sure if they will do so from MEX or CUN. I seriously don't understand why AM cannot keep MEX-ATL constant... I mean, it is the main hub of its main partner!
As for DFW, AM could not compete with AA and MX. I remember I flew once MEX-DFW-MEX to go to a conference where I was speaker around the time of Spring Break. That must have been 2005, more or less around the time when the flight was cancelled. The flights were full of college kids so I had to do coach on the inbound and business on the return leg, and even then the fare I paid was unbelievably cheap. AM is sorely missed in the MEX-DFW market, but I guess it was smart to cancel the route if they lost money on it.
DCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 582 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1600 times:
Aeromexico has these "nuisance filings" down to an art. If I had a dime for every application AM sent to the DOT without following through...
I think it is high time the US Government start charging for these applications to be processed, then it will give the airline second thought as to whether they really need to file such an applications.
Alphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 531 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1577 times:
AM will be starting the route around spring time last I heard.
MX has been full except for the first few flights IAD-CUN and on to MEX, so the demand may be there especially if MX and AM are able to offer connections as well.
Viajero From Mexico, joined Aug 2008, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1497 times:
It will be nice to have additional choices on the MEX-IAD route, if this comes to pass. I fly United fairly often into IAD and seldom are there many empty seats. Mexicana's service last Tuesday was fairly full on both segments as well. IMHO AM should do well with a non-stop 73G on this segment. Hope it works out!
CODCA09 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1395 times:
Quoting Viajero (Reply 9): It will be nice to have additional choices on the MEX-IAD route, if this comes to pass. I fly United fairly often into IAD and seldom are there many empty seats
I've noticed the same thing.
This market has been drastically undeserved for sometime. Back in the 1980's PanAm operated a daily IAD-MEX with an A-310 and that didn't have any connections on either end.
NetjetsINTL From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1375 times:
Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 8): MX has been full except for the first few flights IAD-CUN and on to MEX, so the demand may be there especially if MX and AM are able to offer connections as well
I think the demand is there.
Anybody know why Mexicana pulled out of Baltimore a couple of years ago??? was it weak demand or something else???
JRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1283 times:
I hope this comes to fruition. I for one would like to see AM expand its international destinations; particularly to the U.S. I find it hard to believe that AM has such a hard time maintaining service to certain cities ABQ, TUS, SLC (not sure it ever got off the ground) and others that have been cut. I for one wold like to see AM in more US cities; its getting old having to take MX every where i go. Given the population of mexicans in most major US cities, youd think thered be enough room for AM to make at least some of the routes they apply for work...
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