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VX At ORD  
User currently offlineBt824 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Does anyone have any info re VX's potential entry into ORD? I know that Cush mentioned a possible 1Q entry, and I noticed today that they have reduced frequencies on many of their routes for the 1Q (eg: LAX-IAD, LAX-BOS, SFO-IAD, SFO-BOS are down to 2x daily for many days of the week). Is this to free up planes for upcoming ORD service, or are they just parking planes on certain days b/c of depressed demand? Any insight, or even speculation, would be much appreciated. Thanks!

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

My guess is seasonal redux, but...

I too would be interested to hear the latest rumors out of HQ re: ORD-service.

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User currently offlineGlobalcabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Virgin Atlantic will be seasonal on ORD-LHR.
Virgin America will start ORD-SFO and ORD-LAX sometime in 2010.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

VX is Virgin America. Cush is the CEO. VS is Virgin Atlantic. VX implied ORD will be added in April/May.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22867 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3509 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 3):
VX implied ORD will be added in April/May.

Chicago has been a hotbed of excuses for VX - I'll believe they are adding it when the first plane touches down.



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User currently offlineBt824 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Well if they are in fact seasonal reductions, then where are all of these aircraft being idled throughout the day? I never see any VX planes sitting idle at LAX, so I'm guessing SFO?

I've since noticed that LAX-SEA and SFO-SNA are down on frequencies as well, so this means a significant fall in fleet utilization. Has anyone seen parked planes at SFO?


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2974 times:
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Quoting Bt824 (Reply 5):
Well if they are in fact seasonal reductions, then where are all of these aircraft being idled throughout the day? I never see any VX planes sitting idle at LAX, so I'm guessing SFO?

I've since noticed that LAX-SEA and SFO-SNA are down on frequencies as well, so this means a significant fall in fleet utilization. Has anyone seen parked planes at SFO?

VX is doing the right thing by making these reductions on their transcons, in particular, IAD & BOS as the demand is far from being the same as JFK. It's right sizing the market during this very slow time of year which is very smart as well as being able to have the flexibility to up and downgrade flights since they have both the 319 & 320, (something B6 can't do on their transcons). I am surprised about SFO-SNA. How are they doing in this market?

VX does not need to reduce frequencies on their current routes to open ORD as they will be receiving new a/c this year. I believe it's six (Can someone tell me what the best website is to look at airline fleet sizes, current, on order, in storage and retired? )?


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

Well they apparently have some new aircraft coming into the fleet this year. I presume those will be used to boost frequencies, add Chicago (and one other city) and possibly connect a few dots.

User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Of course, this begs the question as to whether VX will be getting some of the old DL gates on Concourse L at ORD. I was at ORD the other day, and the DL curside signs are down on the departure level of Terminal 3, and the DL signs have been removed for the jetbridges on the odd side of L.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3734 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 8):
Of course, this begs the question as to whether VX will be getting some of the old DL gates on Concourse L at ORD. I was at ORD the other day, and the DL curside signs are down on the departure level of Terminal 3, and the DL signs have been removed for the jetbridges on the odd side of L.

A photo on a popular photo sharing site shows that the DL gate areas at T3 Concourse L are vacant, too. The holdroom seating has been removed (wasn't it some of the last of the Herman Miller Eames sling seats at ORD?), the DL "Onward and Upward" decals and the metal Delta logo plates on the podiums are gone, and computer equipment has been disconnected. There is a sign saying that "Delta Airlines (sic) has moved to Terminal 2 Gates E9-E15".

As for gates: My source, a former UA exec, told me last month that AA has taken over some former DL L gates for AmericanConnection (RP) ops starting in April, but not others. The City of Chicago wouldn't let AA take all of them. The others will probably go to VX. No word on whether the SkyClub will become an Admirals Club.

[Edited 2010-01-09 09:56:11]


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2290 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):

Your source is telling me the same things I am here here on the West Coast. According to my source is that Virgin has locked up gates or was very close as of 2 months ago.

There will be up to 6 airplanes coming this year. In the mean time right now the utilization is down as a seasonal reduction. VX still has their daily SFO-spare at the plot and frequently have had a spare on the north side as well either plot 8 or 9.

SNA has not been as strong as hoped for VX. But the route is good enough and good for a/c utilization according to a manager here at SFO. LAX will also increase in the summer to at least 6., with a 7th begin discussed.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2119 times:
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Quoting AS739X (Reply 10):
SNA has not been as strong as hoped for VX. But the route is good enough and good for a/c utilization according to a manager here at SFO. LAX will also increase in the summer to at least 6., with a 7th begin discussed.

Thanks for the information, AS739X. I was wondering how they were doing on their SFO-SNA flights. I thought they'd do very well compared to what UA offers.

I'm looking forward to them starting LAX-ORD. It will give us a refreshing change over the norm.


User currently offlineDeltACTO From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2025 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 6):
Can someone tell me what the best website is to look at airline fleet sizes, current, on order, in storage and retired?

Try these:

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/airlines.php

http://www.airfleets.net/recherche/airline.htm

(You do not have to register at airfleets.net)


User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1963 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Chicago has been a hotbed of excuses for VX - I'll believe they are adding it when the first plane touches down.

My sentiments exactly.

VX has been whining for 2 years about how "unfair" ORD has been with gates. They seem to expect some special treatment just because they're Virgin America and they're here to save us from the evil UA and AA. If they want in so badly, they need to be willing to pay for it and compete.


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