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Emirates Launches DXB-KUL-MEL  
User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2937 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10266 times:

Effective February 2010, Emirates will operate 3 daily services into Kuala Lumpur with a new DXB-KUL-MEL service being operated by A340-500.

EK408 departs KUL at 1440 arriving MEL at 0115 next day.
EK409 departs MEL at 0310 arriving KUL at 0810 same morning.

Flights are now open for booking on Emirates' website.

This news comes following AirAsiaX's succesful launch of its own KUL-MEL service in 2009 to compete with Malaysia Airlines. The 3 carriers will now compete vigarously on this route.

(This is a repost owing to earlier deletion)

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User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10200 times:

Just looking at the schedules for DXB-MEL.. it now means there will be

1x daily DXB-MEL EK406 A345
1x daily DXB-SIN-MEL EK404 77W
1x daily DXB-KUL-MEL EK408 A345

So no capacity/service increase just taking one of the 2 daily non stops and sending it via KUL



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User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10185 times:

On another thread it was posted that this is only during Feb/Mar, and it reverts back to nonstop late March.

User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10168 times:



Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 2):
On another thread it was posted that this is only during Feb/Mar, and it reverts back to nonstop late March.

Was just about to post the same thing... after looking further in to the year it goes back to current operations.

Any idea why they are doing this for Feb/Mar? seems strange to route via KUL for such a short period of time.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10093 times:
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Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 3):
Any idea why they are doing this for Feb/Mar?

I dont know , but what I do know is that my partner is royally pissed off at having to add the extra time to his MRU-DXB-MEL itinerary - a real PITA as the remaining non-stop DXB-MEL does not make a good connection from the MRU-DXB flight .



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User currently offlineVinniewinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9913 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
I dont know , but what I do know is that my partner is royally pissed off at having to add the extra time to his MRU-DXB-MEL itinerary - a real PITA as the remaining non-stop DXB-MEL does not make a good connection from the MRU-DXB flight .

Sounds like a gigantic detour to me to fly Mauritius - Australia via Dubai whereas there are direct flights from Mauritius to Australia.

Now I know convenience isn't everything but still  Smile


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9901 times:
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Quoting Vinniewinnie (Reply 5):
Sounds like a gigantic detour to me to fly Mauritius - Australia via Dubai whereas there are direct flights from Mauritius to Australia.

There is a single weekly MRU-PER-MEL return flight (except in high season when there is a single MRU-MEL direct weekly flight and twice weekly MRU-PER ) which does not operate on the days on which hubby can travel , EK offer daily services usually with reasonable connections ( barring schedule changes  Wink ) . Also , MK charges considerably more than EK .



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9827 times:



Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 3):
Any idea why they are doing this for Feb/Mar? seems strange to route via KUL for such a short period of time.

According to this article, the flights will not be restricted to Feb/March. They will continue indefinitely according to the Emirates website and the carrier has secured traffic rights between KUL and MEL:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...s-to-route-melbourne-flight-via-kl


User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2937 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9717 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 7):
According to this article, the flights will not be restricted to Feb/March. They will continue indefinitely according to the Emirates website and the carrier has secured traffic rights between KUL and MEL:

That is indeed correct - GDS sees the service operating through Summer 2010.

It is an interesting move by EK and some have speculated that BA/QF are/were considering a new LHR-KUL-MEL service operated by BA - which would have seen BA finally returning to KUL.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9635 times:



Quoting MAS777 (Reply 8):
It is an interesting move by EK

I think the EK product in all classes will go down well with Malaysian travellers. As for Y class, it may well offer special rates which compete favourably (by the time passengers allow for having to pay for meals and so on) with those of Air Asia X.


User currently offlineKissK From Malaysia, joined Aug 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9447 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
EK offer daily services usually with reasonable connections ( barring schedule changes

9 FLIGHTS per week


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9361 times:

This is a significant drop on the non-stop capacity, what do people think the chances are that EK may introduce the A380 on the remaining non-stop serivice EK407/406? That operates
DXB-MEL-AKL/AKL-MEL-DXB? Do the Bi-laterals all any increases in capapcity I know they are rather limited in any frequency adjustments..


User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9327 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 11):
This is a significant drop on the non-stop capacity, what do people think the chances are that EK may introduce the A380 on the remaining non-stop serivice EK407/406?

As of August 2010, EK406/407 equipment will be 77W. I would be confident however that we will see the 380 on the route in the next 24-36 months.

Regards,
GW



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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1072 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9277 times:

This is going to be the death of MH in MEL I fear, they have already been trying to compete with AirAsiaX, often dropping fares to ridiculous levels, now with a supposed premium airline like EK flying the route as well.


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User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9247 times:

MH has been reducing their KUL-MEL vv from 14 weekly to 11 weekly with the other 3 weekly service is now being routed via CGK with traffic right, during the time D7 launched their 2nd daily KUL-MEL vv flight.

Based on the current fares, EK's fall in the middle between MH's and D7's.


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7972 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
I dont know , but what I do know is that my partner is royally pissed off at having to add the extra time to his MRU-DXB-MEL itinerary - a real PITA as the remaining non-stop DXB-MEL does not make a good connection from the MRU-DXB flight .

What a lovely problem to be PITA'd about! I wish I woke up everyday to Mauritius! I would gladly have this problem, as long as I can have high speed internet and satellite!

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 7):

Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 3):
Any idea why they are doing this for Feb/Mar? seems strange to route via KUL for such a short period of time.

According to this article, the flights will not be restricted to Feb/March. They will continue indefinitely according to the Emirates website and the carrier has secured traffic rights between KUL and MEL:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ia-kl

Strange, I can't imagine KUL-MEL is all that high yielding. Of course not all EK routes are high-yield ones...but the A345 in EK's fleet is configured to a more premium standard.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7814 times:

This move really does just show that EK has begun to struggle into MEL under such strong competition from EY and QR. There were 4 daily non stop and 1 daily 1-stop flights to the Middle East before this change (now 3 Daily non stop and 2 daily 1-stops) from MEL. When EK launched its 2nds Daily non-stop it was the only non-stop option from MEL to the Middle East.

I don't see why they did not try via BKK, which would seem to be a stronger market if they wanted to have a stop. KUL is saturated at present with 4 daily flight (3 weekly via CGK) on MH and D7. BKK has 2 daily TG and 3 Weekly JQ from MEL on that route.

The EK product is not a very comfortable one and has very inconsistent service standards so it is little wonder that EK has seen a slide in numbers (not forgetting a close call last year on take off from MEL also). EY has made major inrpoads and QR has now made its move so it will be interesting to see the next moves made by all carriers. It is also important to note that there are now currently more daily flights to the Middle East from MEL than SYD (SYD= 32 weekly inc. EK 21 Weekly EY 11 Weekly ; MEL = 35 inc. EK 21 Weekly EY 7 Weekly QR 7 Weekly).


User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7437 times:

A possible reason for EK feeling the pressure could also be due to the ungodly departure time ex MEL on EK 409 (2.55am)

I've always felt MEL could do with a daylight departure for the Middle East say around 7-8am (like EK do ex PER and SYD) - this will still connect with the bank of departures to other regional and several European ports.


User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

If BA were to ever start LHR-MEL again, they'd do big business through-routing one of their Indian services as there's no non-stop services and no doubt Jet (as well as Qantas through the JV) would put their codes on it. i.e LHR-BOM-MEL-BOM-LHR.

SE Asia is saturated with QF, SQ, MH, TG and now D7 and HKG is covered by QF and CX. India makes sense.

[Edited 2010-01-08 05:30:03 by tayser]

User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7281 times:

I think it can be added as well that maybe EK decided to make a stop in KUL for this MEL flight following the recent incentive announced by Malaysia Airports Holdings Berhad. EK is believe to trying to pocket in some money in KUL.



Could also be a trial on a possible 3rd daily terminator flight DXB-KUL vv. But then again, why the flight will be stopped in April 2010?


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7263 times:



Quoting Tayser (Reply 18):
If BA were to ever start LHR-MEL again, they'd do big business through-routing one of their Indian services as there's no non-stop services and no doubt Jet (as well as Qantas through the JV) would put their codes on it. i.e LHR-BOM-MEL-BOM-LHR.

SE Asia is saturated with QF, SQ, MH, TG and now D7 and HKG is covered by QF and CX. India makes sense.

Now there is a fantastic idea that could work nicely (especailly if the flights were crewed by the lower cost indian based BA FAs!). It still suprisies me that no Indian airlines serve Australia yet.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7162 times:



Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 16):
The EK product is not a very comfortable one

Not in this case because, according to the article, EK will be using an A340-500 which has 8 across seating in Y class. EK's B777s are the ones with the denser 10-across layout but these are not flying DXB-MEL via KUL:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...s-to-route-melbourne-flight-via-kl

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 19):
Could also be a trial on a possible 3rd daily terminator flight DXB-KUL vv. But then again, why the flight will be stopped in April 2010?

According to EK's website, the new flights are continuing indefinitely. They will not end in April 2010.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

I think the flight can't be booked anymore at www.emirates.com from 29 March 2010 onwards.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o10/9MMAR/MalaysianWings/EKKULMEL3.jpg

[Edited 2010-01-08 11:37:59]

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13536 posts, RR: 100
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6939 times:
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Quoting Mas777 (Thread starter):
EK408 departs KUL at 1440 arriving MEL at 0115 next day.
EK409 departs MEL at 0310 arriving KUL at 0810 same morning.

Departs at 03:10? Ummm... Yuck!

How many A345's will be required to keep this route going DXB-KUL-MEL and back?

Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 1):
1x daily DXB-MEL EK406 A345
1x daily DXB-SIN-MEL EK404 77W
1x daily DXB-KUL-MEL EK408 A345

Just for clarification, I assume EK is indeed flying 3X day to MEL with two of the flights with a stop (one in SIN and the new one in KUL)?

Interesting routing. Do to the short legs, this would be perfect for the A333.  duck 

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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6917 times:



Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 22):
I think the flight can't be booked anymore at www.emirates.com from 29 March 2010 onwards.

The EK timetable also showed these services operating 2 Feb to 28 March only.
Where is the evidence that it is a longer term prospect??

I have no doubt that EK may occasionally do reduce capacity in the future during low seasons on DXB-MEL and DXB-KUL, say Feb/March and Oct/Nov annually.


25 Antskip : EK "not comfortable"? you must have been unlucky."Inconsistent standards"? you must have been unlucky. I have travelled 40+ times on an array of catt
26 IndianicWorld : Everything is subjective. I have had six sectors on EK and only 1 was a pleasant experience. Thats what u call almost 'consistant' service. Consisten
27 Cwalt : A statement from Emirates Australia issued on Thursday 07 Jan announcing the Kuala Lumpur service, along with sale fares to the Malaysian capital, st
28 Tayser : eh meh, EK are the US Legacy carrier (read: average at best) of all the Middle East carriers - with EY and QR offering non-stops plus the good EK prod
29 LondonCity : Best to choose your EY flight carefully. I say that, because EY will soon start reconfiguring its B777s with a 10-abreast Y class layout.
30 Gemuser : I too have only six sectors experience on EK, but my view is very similar to IndianicWorlds. The cabin crew were up to QF/BA Y standards on only two
31 Antskip : Yes, it is interesting how the same situation can be seen so differently! I have suffered much more from inconsistency from QF and NZ, the other airl
32 Post contains links and images Chrisrad : Launch fares are out from MEL Business Class $3069 First Class $4549 MH is a bit cheaper, obviously no F class though from MEL I still find MH's J cla
33 Gemuser : Talk about thru different eyes! I found DXB, in two transits to be an excellent hub. The first was from 06:30 to 10:00 and was easy, if a bit crowed
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