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Orlando Can Not De-ice Planes,no Exquipment  
User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3218 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17747 times:

Now you can hardly blame them, this is supposed to be Florida. Big grin

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User currently offlineTrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17696 times:

My brother lives just south of Orlando and said that if he sees a snowflake, he is moving to Costa Rica. Whole reason he had in moving to Florida was to never see snow again. I wonder how bad things are going to be at ATL.

User currently offlineCODCA09 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17589 times:

When I lived in Orlando in 2003 there was the slightest of snow flurries for a few minutes, so minor that if you blinked you would have missed it...

It was the leading story on all three local newscasts.  rotfl 

On another note its always annoyed me that newscasters in Orlando refer to Orlando International Airport as OIA. The airport code is MCO people  wink 


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17562 times:

Quoting CODCA09 (Reply 2):
On another note its always annoyed me that newscasters in Orlando refer to Orlando International Airport as OIA.

That bothers me too. I guess they imitate newscasters from Miami even though they shouldn't.

[Edited 2010-01-07 06:02:26]

User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17546 times:



Quoting CODCA09 (Reply 2):
On another note its always annoyed me that newscasters in Orlando refer to Orlando International Airport as OIA. The airport code is MCO people

On the other hand, what's necessarily wrong with abbreviating Orlando International Airport? Do a Google search for "Orlando OIA" and there is a strong precedent, at least in the media. MCO is an aviation (IATA) code, not a journalism one.



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User currently offlinePeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17488 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 3):
That bothers me to. I guess they imitate newscasters from Miami even though they shouldn't.

Well at least MIA, the way is often referred by the media in Miami is also the IATA code for Miami International Airport


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17451 times:



Quoting Trigged (Reply 1):
said that if he sees a snowflake, he is moving to Costa Rica.

In the Dallas area - the Canadian geese which had stopped in the ponds/ lakes near my home are moving out - heading south.

Quoting Trigged (Reply 1):
I wonder how bad things are going to be at ATL.

It is useful for ATL to spend the money for a decent level of equipment. And like DFW they have had many years to acquire the trucks, etc - a few per year.

But the traffic volume at ATL will cause delays unless many are cancelled. Which will probably be the case to many small airports with out such equipment.

Deicing adds 15-20 minutes to the takeoff time of every aircraft. When ATL has 150+ departures per hour scheduled - there will be backups. No airport in the world has the capacity to deice that many aircraft per hour.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17406 times:



Quoting Peteinmiami (Reply 5):
Well at least MIA, the way is often referred by the media in Miami is also the IATA code for Miami International Airport

Yes, that's why imitating without understanding what you're imitating leads to certain problems...


User currently offlineVinniewinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 17337 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 6):
Deicing adds 15-20 minutes to the takeoff time of every aircraft. When ATL has 150+ departures per hour scheduled - there will be backups. No airport in the world has the capacity to deice that many aircraft per hour.

It took 1 hour for my plane to be deiced last sunday morning in BRU, not especially the busiest time of the day at BRU nor the hottest place in the world during January! Can therefore well imagine that an airport like ORD is way less prepared than an airport like BRU which should be a little more prepared but never is.

Now can these deicing trucks be put to other use? I mean can you have removable tanks on those trucks than can be swapped for something else when not needed?


User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 17188 times:

I had to send this story to my sister. I was talking to her just this morning about how she couldn't believe she needed an ice scraper. For someone who lived in Chicago until she was 22, I find it hard to believe she's going to complain about a little bit of snow.

Now back here on the other hand  irked 


User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16854 times:

A friend of mine flew WN PHX-STL back in 2005 and even though it was in the mid-80s in Phoenix, the plane had come in from somewhere and they were worried about ice build up. Therefore, they de-iced at PHX. If we can do it I can't see why MCO can't.


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User currently offlineReality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16811 times:



Quoting Vinniewinnie (Reply 8):
It took 1 hour for my plane to be deiced last sunday morning in BRU, not especially the busiest time of the day at BRU nor the hottest place in the world during January! Can therefore well imagine that an airport like ORD is way less prepared than an airport like BRU which should be a little more prepared but never is.

Average Daily January Temperature at Chicago Airport (ORD): 0ºC / 32ºF

Average Daily January Temperature at Brussels Airport (BRU): 5ºC / 41ºF

http://www.airports-guides.com/


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16698 times:

ATL learned the hard way after that ice storm we had some years back.

After it was all said and done, we had a/c on the ground everywhere and only a handful of de-icing trucks. Then, someone said "Wait, where's the de-icing fluid?!?" They had trucks brought in from other areas and had to order a butt ton of fluid to get the a/c out. My mother worked the gates at that time and I remember her sending 2 nights in a hotel. They didn't want to risk having employees going home and not being able to make it back to work because the roads were so bad so they took volunteers to stay in nearby hotels so they knew they would have peole to work the gates and ramp!



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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16695 times:

I think its possible that Vinniewinnie was using ORD as a short form for Orlando. Which would be even worse than using OIA  Smile The real ORD would probably have better de-ice equipment than BRU.


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User currently onlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16528 times:



Quoting CODCA09 (Reply 2):
On another note its always annoyed me that newscasters in Orlando refer to Orlando International Airport as OIA. The airport code is MCO people

The media does the same thing with Denver, calling it DIA.

The media will never fail to drive us crazy. If it is not something like OIA, it is “stuck on the runway for hours” or “the Boeing A320.”

Every few years it seems that Florida makes the news for cold temps and the concern with oranges. Would it not be worth it to have a de-icing truck or two at the airport? I guess it would come down to how badly do you want to avoid the delays and cancelations you could have with these cold temps…


User currently offlineATLTPA From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16456 times:

Similar situation to Orlando's in Tampa. No deicing equipment at TPA, either!:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/weather/article1063713.ece

And as for Atlanta:
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/delta-cancels-198-flights-269116.html

Glad I am not flying around the South today!


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16132 times:



Quoting C767P (Reply 14):
Would it not be worth it to have a de-icing truck or two at the airport?

Why spend the money when in an hour or two it'll be warm again? (By warm I mean above freezing)



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User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16047 times:

Well on 1/6/10 our 7am DL MD-88 took a 2 hour long take off Delay for solar deicing at MLB.

User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2204 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15959 times:

Same here in Mexico city we dont have de icing equipment and we are in single digit temps with rain... so much for global warming. I wonder what will happen if there is snow here, and I have to make 2 trips this January... =fingers crossed


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User currently offlineMotopolitico From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14705 times:

Maybe this is a question for Tech-Ops, but is there ANY alternative to de-icing with the traditional glycol spray (or the uber-expensive anti-icing fluid)? How about, with an idling engine, turn on the hot wings and full anti-ice measures (heated pitots, etc), and at the same time do a high temp pressure wash to dislodge the big chunks? Sure, some of the hot water would still freeze to the fuselage, but what little contamination remained would just sublimate or flake off at altitude. Am I missing something?


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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14363 times:

DL1954 departed DAB nearly an hour late this morning. Scheduled departure time was 0600, actual departure time was 0656. Our 0630 US flight to CLT left eight minutes early.

http://www.cfnews13.com/Weather/Default.aspx

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User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14284 times:



Quoting Motopolitico (Reply 19):
How about, with an idling engine, turn on the hot wings and full anti-ice measures (heated pitots, etc)

The hot air only heats the leading edge sections of the wings/vertical stabs/horiztl stabs.
It does not heat the entire wing itself. To do that the weight penalty would be quite high.




Not only did MCO take frost delays but so did RSW/SRQ/TPA/DAB/MLB

KD


User currently offlineGothamspotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14284 times:

They do have de-icing equipment...it's called a "broom."

User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14159 times:



Quoting Gothamspotter (Reply 22):
They do have de-icing equipment...it's called a "broom."

I don't think the flying public would appreciate 3 guys on the wings scraping ice off with a broom. They would probably much rather have the hour delay.



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User currently offlineMotopolitico From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14018 times:



Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 21):
The hot air only heats the leading edge sections of the wings/vertical stabs/horiztl stabs.

True, but without the moving air of a slipstream to quickly dissipate that heat, wouldn't the aluminum skin of the wing gradually conduct that heat to a larger and larger area of the airfoil? Like a parked, idling car with only the defroster on will eventually shed all ice and snow accumulation?



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25 ClearedDirect : Im sure it would depend on who you asked and what time their connection was.
26 Fabo : Yes, the fact, that the little contamination is a little too much to have. Especially at take-off. See Air Florida crash in Washington.
27 Post contains links DUALRATED : These are the official names for the airports given by their respective city's MCO ("McCoy") makes no sense to the general public so it's done for "u
28 Motopolitico : In Air Florida crash the pilots failed to activate the pitot tube anti ice, and the engines failed to produce sufficient thrust to sustain flight.
29 C767P : All you would need is a little freezing rain or snow over night, with not very warm highs the next day and it can take a long time to melt. Or what i
30 Mascmo : It's global cooling people, they should now have deicing equipment at every major airport as it is inevitable that snow will be falling in places that
31 MD88Captain : There are so many things wrong with your idea... but the very first is that you cannot activate wing a/i on the ground. McCoy was the name of the Air
32 Pilotpip : Bleed air is a couple hundred degrees celcius. It would quickly warp the leading edge if there is not sufficient airflow to cool it. You can run engi
33 Motopolitico : I had no idea. Really? What else?
34 Dswilliams64d : There was more to the Air Florida incident then just anti-ice and pitot heat being turned on, yes the engines could not produce the thrust to sustain
35 Emair : This morning I had to defrost my car, I live in Orlando, and once I got at the airport (New Smyrna Beach Airport, KEVB/EVB) all C172 had frost too XD
36 TPA36R : Which is exactly what will happen tomorrow morning. Another arctic front is passing through tonight and it is supposed to be OVC all day. Not good wh
37 MIASkies : Does MIA have deicing equipment? granted this type of frigid weather so far south only happens every couple of years but I was wondering if MIA or may
38 Airtechy : There were a lot of contributing factors to the Air Florida crash, but probably the worst was the incorrect thrust settings caused by the probes that
39 MAH4546 : No. There were also deicing delays at MIA today. Keeping deicing equipment for a once-every-5-years type of weather makes no sense.
40 Jfkgaylga : It's a funny thread but not surprising. Florida hasn't seen weather like this in 30 years, which means they don't need deicing equipment. Think about
41 C767P : Having grown up in MN I can tell you that the Midwest sees plenty of damp winter days (or nights); it isn’t unique to FL. But you are right that it
42 MAH4546 : What adds up? Deicing trucks might be used once every 10 years in southern and central Florida. Are you really trying to argue that one day of delays
43 C767P : I do not live there, so I was not aware that the frost/ice issues are that rare. All I know is that FL makes the news due to cold, and it seems like
44 RDUDDJI : Surely you realize they'd need a fleet of trucks. At well over 6 figures per truck as an initial cost, and many thousands per year in maintenance and
45 Post contains images 71Zulu : A little snow and ice didn't seem to bother these guys.
46 C767P : Why do you need a fleet? How much do delays cost the airlines? I do not know. I also do not know how much this disturbs operations at MCO or other FL
47 MAH4546 : It's a negligble cost that airlines factor into operations in advance. It's basically comes down to $0. Still zero benefit if it happens once a year.
48 RFields5421 : I've spend a few very cold days and nights sweeping snow off the wings and tail surfaces of US Navy Lockheed Connie's in Japan and Korea. Our concern
49 Viscount724 : Doesn't that photo show ice that developed after takeoff from cold-soaking of the fuel in the tanks? Not sure what aircraft type that it is but you o
50 CALTECH : Deicers as I remember them in the distant past, were very high maintenance. A shift of deicing at Denver Stapleton was a form of cruel and unusual pun
51 FLY2TUS : We have a few actually. WN has a pull-along cart, CO (XE ) has a truck and a cart, DL has a truck and AA also now has a truck, with another at ASIG.
52 FLALEFTY : Thank you, CALTECH! You speak the truth. We are having a very unusual, extended cold snap here in Central FL. Today, the frost was patchy, and the te
53 Emair : This is what the National Weather Service says for Orlando on Saturday: A chance of rain showers, snow showers, and sleet before 1pm. Cloudy, with a h
54 My1le : I go to Embry-Riddle, and the first time I heard "OIA" on the news I had NO idea what they were talking about. I mean in Washington, it is: - "Nation
55 Aerobalance : We get JWA for SNA, freekin' stupid.
56 JetMARC : If you're local, its OIA... in fact, as you leave the airport, there is a giant "OIA" spelled out with flowers in the landscaping next to the roadway
57 Steeler83 : Ahh, Orlando Florida. It's just like home here... in EXTON, PA! D'OH! What's this about global warming again???
58 Post contains links Moose135 : Pulling EWO alert on the KC-135 in Indiana, we would get some decent snowfall. They wouldn't let us out on the wings to help (try explaining to HQ SA
59 Clipper136 : The name of the airport is the Orlando International Airport, or OIA for short. It has nothing to do with the press or public awareness. It is using
60 Ward86IND : The most important factor in this crash was the incorrect EPR setting due to snow contamination as a result of engine anti-ice not being on. The snow
61 Post contains links BlueF9A320 : Actually the interim code while the new airport was under construction was DVX per this book
62 TPA36R : How did this thread go from deice equipment that isnt needed in MCO/TPA to IATA and ICAO codes? Geeesh. Its in the low 30's and has been there since a
63 CptRegionalJet : OMG! Was it like that upon tke off?
64 Post contains links Readytotaxi : I know, but never mind it happens. And looking at the10day forecast it should be back to normal by the 16th. http://www.weather.com/weather/tenda.../
65 Spudsmac : I'm somewhat surprised that they don't have even minimal de-icing equipment. What about a cold-soaked plane that has cold fuel in the wings? Won't tha
66 RFields5421 : I've seen that occur on Guam and in Vietnam. But that frost rather than ice melts off in less than 10 minutes.
67 Sflaflight : This is my 20th year in Florida, and I can't remember having such cold temps ever. Not only the temps but persistance. Another cold front coming thro
68 Post contains links 71Zulu : Here's the story, http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/un...ould-you-take-off-with-this-m.html and the flight attendant said the snow was on the wing be
69 Ba1978 : Is this not wing upper surface non-environmental icing? I was reading something about this online just the other day. I'm sure its perfectly fine up t
70 CALTECH : Crystal Clear ice pellets on the way in to OIA/MCO today. No snowflakes. Longest cold spell I have seen in Florida since 1992. Aircraft were kept in
71 Maverick623 : Bull-honky. Even PHX has deice trucks.
72 Post contains images KaiGywer : Here's how the problem was solved
73 DUALRATED : Wow they are cutting costs they used to use snowblowers
74 Sflaflight : Well good for them. Phoenix can see much colder winter nights. Not uncommon for PHX to see desert nights in the 20s. MIA almost rarely sees temperatu
75 Maverick623 : Actually it's very uncommon for temps to dip that low at the airport. I've only seen it happen three mornings in the last 4 years, and only twice has
76 MMEPHX : How many do they have and where are they kept? Haven't seen one in my travels. I'm not doubting you, as you seem to know what you are talking about,
77 PGNCS : What problems has it created, exactly? Does someone not understand which airport that's being discussed? How many residents in Orlando know the three
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