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Naacp Lawsuit Against US In PHL  
User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4466 times:

Didn't see a thread on this yet.

Here's the story:
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/80881512.html

... and the complaint:
http://media.philly.com/documents/usair.pdf

[Edited 2010-01-07 15:41:39]

31 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4431 times:

Well, it's jaw-dropping but there are many strange counterpoints.

"Boda said assignments to gates were based purely on seniority. "You bid for whatever shift you want to work and where you want to work," she said."

That pretty much takes care of that.

"Terminal F, occupied by US Airways subsidiary Piedmont Airlines, was known as "The Ghetto." The remote terminal, the complaint said, has fewer amenities and is perceived to have more minority or lower-income passengers."

Low income passengers?! They probably couldn't afford US's high fares...


User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4231 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 1):
Low income passengers?! They probably couldn't afford US's high fares...

Seriously? They're the same passengers.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7408 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4193 times:
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Oh give me a friggen break.This woman actually has the nerve to pull this crap? We used to call parts of the Davey Terminal in DTW different names, like ghetto(G)-gates, Sea(C)-world, D-block. I guess Delta is facing a lawsuits from NAACP and PETA


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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Used to call D Concourse in CLT "D-Con". I wonder if Raid is gonna sue me....

User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

The old G gates in IAD that UAX used to use (the metal siding shacks) were the [G]hetto gates too.


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User currently offlinePrinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

Another group of morons wasting court time and money. They and their lawyers should be fined for wasting court time.


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User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

gimmee, gimmee, gimmee...I want something for free. I'm entitled. It's my right. Only a squizillion dollars can rectify this terrible injustice against me. (sarcasm)

Sadly, US will probably settle out of court to avoid the legal fees and whatever the cost of the settlement it will be passed onto the customer.


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4010 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

I must say I am surprised about the claims that US was segregating white employees from black ones in Philadelphia. Never have I seen a white U.S. Airways employee in PHL, in several terminals I passed through.


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

This is a totally baseless lawsuit that I predict will get dismissed. The lawsuit says that a disproportionate number of blacks are assigned to the F terminal. The problem with that is the fact that they are NOT USAirways employees, they are Piedmont employees. USAirways employees are only working in A, B, and C because those are the mainline flights they handle, with the express flights being handled by Piedmont. USAirways has no control over the employees in the F terminal aside from hiring the handling company. If anything, they should be grateful that Piedmont is giving a great opportunity to so many minority workers in the first place.

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5598 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4003 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 8):
gimmee, gimmee, gimmee...I want something for free. I'm entitled. It's my right.

Bingo.

Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 8):

Sadly, US will probably settle out of court to avoid the legal fees and whatever the cost of the settlement it will be passed onto the customer.

Whatever the outcome, it's all insurance money anyways.


As far as I'm concerned, without any actual lineups this case has zero credibility.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

If this is true this is terrible. The news article and the complaint certainly sound terrible.

So why are the many members who have replied already so biased against the complaint?

Does anyone here actually know what happened?

Has anyone here ever been abused or discriminated against at work? (It is not a good feeling.)



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3968 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 11):
If this is true this is terrible. The news article and the complaint certainly sound terrible.

So why are the many members who have replied already so biased against the complaint?

Does anyone here actually know what happened?

Has anyone here ever been abused or discriminated against at work? (It is not a good feeling.)

I am not saying there isn't discrimination going on. What I said was the fact that they are complaining about Blacks being assigned to the F concourse is not legit, because they are not USAirways employees, they are Piedmont Employees. USAirways can only assign employees to A B, and C, not F. Because they choose to include F concourse employees in the complaint, who work for Piedmont, that is why I found the lawsuit a little suspicious.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3916 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 11):
So why are the many members who have replied already so biased against the complaint?

You are right it does sound like managers might have said something inappropriate.

But the workers themselves bid for their work area. If it is segregated, US is obligated to let their employees segregate themselves, because it's their right to do that.

Who knows. Maybe some managers started making jokes with their employees. Keep in mind, the managers might have been the same racial background as their employees. Praising your employee's "hood" or "ghetto" qualities is still unacceptable, even if it was probably just a joke gone horribly wrong, among fellow black people in all likelihood. But I could be dead wrong about that.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3631 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 9):
The lawsuit says that a disproportionate number of blacks are assigned to the F terminal. The problem with that is the fact that they are NOT USAirways employees, they are Piedmont employees.
...
USAirways has no control over the employees in the F terminal aside from hiring the handling company

That's no different than the passengers on that BUF Colgan flight crash several months ago had booked their tickets through Continental Airlines. The mother carrier does bear some level of responsibility.

Additionally, if one reads the article a bit further; the suit also stated that those working at Terminal C (which serves US mainline and Republic E-jets) were referred to as being assigned to Camden (NJ) and Compton (a LA neighborhood known for violence) so US can't necessarily play Pontius Pilate with any claims regarding Terminal C employees.

That aside, I still believe this claim's a bit of a joke; validitywise.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3582 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 14):
That's no different than the passengers on that BUF Colgan flight crash several months ago had booked their tickets through Continental Airlines. The mother carrier does bear some level of responsibility.

Additionally, if one reads the article a bit further; the suit also stated that those working at Terminal C (which serves US mainline and Republic E-jets) were referred to as being assigned to Camden (NJ) and Compton (a LA neighborhood known for violence) so US can't necessarily play Pontius Pilate with any claims regarding Terminal C employees.

That aside, I still believe this claim's a bit of a joke; validitywise.

But this matter isn't one that's dealing with misleading the general public. If you are hired by Piedmont Airlines dba US Airways Express, you should know exactly who is hiring you and where you are going to work.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3557 times:



Quoting EMB170 (Reply 15):
But this matter isn't one that's dealing with misleading the general public. If you are hired by Piedmont Airlines dba US Airways Express, you should know exactly who is hiring you and where you are going to work.

True story: I know of 2 people who applied for F/A jobs at US AIRWAYS but were assigned as F/As to Air Wisconsin CRJs.

That being said, those working at Piedmont may have very well applied for their jobs w/US AIRWAYS and NOT US AIRWAYS EXPRESS.

Additionally, the suit didn't just involve those working at Terminal F but ALSO those who work at TERMINAL C which is a US mainline station.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineMjzair From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3513 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 16):
True story: I know of 2 people who applied for F/A jobs at US AIRWAYS but were assigned as F/As to Air Wisconsin CRJs.

I doubt that is true. Air Wisconsin has only been associated with US Airways for the last 4.5 years or so, and US Airways has not recruited or hired flight attendants during that time.
If they applied for a flight attendant job, it was with Air Wisconsin from the get go.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4369 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

I'm a tad suspicious of this suit b/c it was brought by the NAACP and not the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, an entity separate from the NAACP with plenty of solid attorneys that aggressively pursues civil rights violations.


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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3342 times:



Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 10):
Whatever the outcome, it's all insurance money anyways.

The cost of which trickles back to us, the paying passenger.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3303 times:



Quoting Mjzair (Reply 17):
I doubt that is true. Air Wisconsin has only been associated with US Airways for the last 4.5 years or so, and US Airways has not recruited or hired flight attendants during that time.

All I know regarding the 2 fore-mentioned individuals are this:

1. Both of them applied for the position in 2006.

2. They tried applying w/WN but there were no such positions open at the time (both were from the New Orleans area and were relocating due to their previous places of employment were wiped out due to Katrina).

3. They applied with US Airways and relocated to Philadelphia for the position (now; I met them just before they actually started at a church group setting). In a causal conversation, they mentioned that they would be flying out of Terminal F. So I, in turn, mentioned that they're actually working for a US Express carrier. They replied that although true, US Airways themselves handled all the papper work, interviews and so forth.

When I asked them which carrier they would actually be working for and what equipment they would be assigned to; they didn't give me an answer although they were a tad surprised when I rattled off the names of the various US Express carriers and the various equipment. When I saw them a couple of weeks later and one of them had their Air Wisconsin tag with them. The other mentioned that she was also assigned with Air Wisconsin.

Now, granted, I can only go by with what both of them told me. Is it possible that the US Airways ad. both of them responded to mentioned that the F/A postions were with Express partner carriers in small print? I can't answer that since I didn't see the actual ad. and the ad. may have been advertised in other regions including Philadelphia.

All I know when I asked which airline they applied to; they responded US Airways, not US Airways Express nor Air Wisconsin. Is it possible that the reasoning behind their response was for simplicity among a lay crowd as it were? Maybe. After all, let's face it, who outside of the aviation circles have heard of Air Wisconsin? Nonetheless, i can only go by what they told me.

Anyhow, the above mainline vs. Express debate ( I realize that I was the one who mentioned this example) is irrelevant to the current suit at hand because the suit covers BOTH Terminals C & F so the targets are BOTH US mainline and Piedmont.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

I worked in a hub. The work areas were segregated by race most of the time. With seniority and work area preference the factor. It's no difference then what happens outside the airline community.

The "white" employees are most likely senior, left over from the 80's USAir days. So they probably bid day shift, and a widebody gate on A concourse. The junior employees, which may be "black" have to work swing shift, and on a C concourse gate with many turns.

Go to any hub, any airline, and you will see the segregation of employees. It's just the way of life.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

So let me get this straight... They are suing USAirways because they are employees of Piedmont and were only assigned to Terminal F... the only terminal their airline flew out of......????

Well if you wanted the other gates... THEN APPLY for a USAirways main line job...

This is one I hope USAirways fights.........

Anyone know what the seniority level is at PHL USAirways..??? ( main line)

As far as being forced to quit her job as a secrarary, it's VERY common with airlines to have an clause in your employment that prohibits you from having a second job that can conflict with scheduling.

[Edited 2010-01-11 11:50:42]


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3180 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 22):
So let me get this straight... They are suing USAirways because they are employees of Piedmont and were only assigned to Terminal F... the only terminal their airline flew out of......????

I would suggest that you click the 2nd link provided by the OP (the actual complaint in question).

If one looks through the first 7 pages; one will read that not only is US Airways, Inc. mentioned as the defendant but US Airways Group, Inc. as well as Piedmont Airline Inc., a wholly owned susidiary of US Airways Express (page 6). US Airways and Piedmont, I can see being mentioned; why a third US Airways party is mentioned in the complaint, I do not know unless it's just the case of the plaintiff covering all the bases.

The reason why both the mainline and regional carriers are mentioned as defendants, and this is the FOURTH time I've mentioned it in this thread (posts 14, 16 & 20 being the previous three); is because the alleged racially-charged assignments were applied for BOTH Terminals C (dubbed as "Camden" & "Compton") & F (dubbed as "The Ghetto").



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineCa2ohhp From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3142 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
is because the alleged racially-charged assignments were applied for BOTH Terminals C (dubbed as "Camden" & "Compton") & F (dubbed as "The Ghetto").

I worked in PHL 2.5 years for mainline and never heard Terminal C referred to as "Camden" or "Compton." I actually found the workforce in C-Con and B-Con about as diversified as IAD, ORD and LAX. I can't speak for Express, however.


25 PHLBOS : I was only stating what was written in the posted article and complaint PDF. I didn't write them.
26 MogandoCI : that's actually the inverse of what's intuitive - those commuter flights have low competition, sky high fares, and mostly only people traveling on bu
27 USAirALB : Uhh..terminal F is the nicest of all of them
28 Dsuairptman : More reverse racisim from the NAACP... Boneheads, if there was any 'segergation' based on race it was more than likely due to seniority vs. the NAACP'
29 T5towbar : I'm just curious. Are these people mainline employees or express employees? I always thought that if you are in a hub, mainline employees handled BOTH
30 EMB170 : IMHO Terminal F (the US Airways Express terminal for 50 seaters) is actually quite nice. It's fairly new construction, gets a lot of natural light, a
31 Ca2ohhp : Based on this: ...I assumed you were also expressing your opinion, to which I responded with my own personal and professional first-hand experience.
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