GKirk From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Jun 2000, 23839 posts, RR: 69 Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 467 times:
Has BA ordered any?
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Dynkrisolo From United States, joined Feb 2001, 1774 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 419 times:
Both ILFC's and GECAS's B773ER orders can be converted to the B772LR. If Boeing's Sonic Cruiser is launched within the next year or two, I think there won't be too many sales for the B772LR and the A345.
Cba From United States, joined Jul 2000, 4460 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 410 times:
You have to remember that the A345 was launched way before the 777-200LR. UA, AA, DL, and CO will probably all order the 777-200LR for Asian expansion, unless they want to wait for the Sonic Cruiser to become available. It will seat 250-300 and fly 7700nm, making it almost a clone of the current 777-200ER.
BA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 6199 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 402 times:
Don't expect UA,DL,BA or AA to rush out and buy the new GE 777-200LR just yet or the GE 777-300ER.
They have all purchased or are purchasing large fleets of PW and RR 777-200's,all have spent huge sums of money on planes and training maintenance people,buying spares.They are all a little pissed at Boeing's GE deal with the 777-200LR.
BA are pushing Boeing to increase the MTOW of the existing RR Trent 777-300.If Boeing does this then AA and less likely Delta could buy this.UA could get Boeing to do the same with PW engines if they felt they needed something between the 777-200 & 747-400.
ILUV767 From United States, joined May 2000, 3085 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 403 times:
BA391-131,
Please understand that when you operate enough of one type that engine type does not matter. Also, for your information, United Airlines is one of the largest fixers of GE engines in the continental United States. Why? Well, we fix GE's for our own 737s, as well as the AirForce for their 747s, 757s and so on. The mechanics are already trained and proficient on most/all types of GE engines.
So, once again engine commonality does not matter between the fleet types if you operate enough of them.
The777Man From United States, joined Jul 1999, 3712 posts, RR: 54 Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 366 times:
I second what ILUV767 says and want to add that BA already operates a lot of 777s with GE engines. I do hope more airlines order the 777-200LR. Perhaps EK will order it in addition to UA, CO, DL and AA? The777Man
Cba From United States, joined Jul 2000, 4460 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 364 times:
Thank you for clarifying this engine issue ILUV767. Some people here think that engine commonality is the main factor that airlines go by when purchasing aircraft.
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 25964 posts, RR: 77 Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 364 times:
Well, if AA wants to expand thier Miami hub with non-stops to places like Asia (there is no doubting AA would like to have a Miami-Asia connection) and South Africa (SAA's thrice weekly CPT-FLL-ATL-CPT flight is not enough to satisfy demand) they will need some 772LRs.
The Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1279 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 304 times:
777Man,
EK won't buy the B777-200LR. They've ordered A340-500's.
The reason Boeing did a deal with GE to be the exclusive supplier of the B777-200LR/B777-300ER was because GE offered to help finance the B777X project (as it was then known).
These monster engines, somewhere around the 115K lb thrust rating, just because UA has GE engine powered jets, doesn't mean that it won't add costs associated with the startup. I mean, how many B777-200LR's will UA buy if they do? I don't see them getting more than 8-10. Getting spares for 8-10 aircraft will add costs, one cannot deny that. While I don't deny that engine commonality is not a big factor in aircraft choice, it's part of the annoyance factor that may irk some airlines sufficiently to not buy the aircraft.
While on the subject of few orders for long-rangers, I think Boeing has too many projects that are being bandied about: various versions of the B777 (B777-200LR/300ER), various versions of the B747 (B747-400LR, B747X, B747-StretchX), the Sonic Cruiser and planned longer ranged versions of the B767-400ER.
I personally think that only 1 or 2 will actually eventuate, Airbus on the other hand has just a couple of projects: the A380 and the A340-500/600 which are well advanced. I think it's safe to say that Boeing has been caught behind the eight-ball here.
Raggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 890 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 302 times:
king767, I read earlier in another post where you said that United fixes GE engines on the 737, 747 and also on the 757...
what gives? As far as I know the 757 is only available with PW or RR engines......
The C32A 757 has PW2000 engines....
RayChuang From United States, joined Jun 2000, 7112 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 293 times:
I believe that UA is a potential serious candidate to buy a pretty large number of 777-200LR's.
The reason is simple: it will allow them to fly the 777's in their current international configuration on a completely full flight even on extremely long routes. For example, I wonder can UA fly their 747-400 completely full on the JFK-HKG route? With the 772LR they could fill up every seat and the cargo hold and still easily fly JFK-HKG with plentiful fuel reserves.
The777Man From United States, joined Jul 1999, 3712 posts, RR: 54 Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 290 times:
I realize that EK has A340-500 on order but I think they may order some 777-200LR or more likely 777-300ER. It's rumored that they are negotiating for a big 777 order of about 20-30 aircarft. SQ had A310s and 757s at the same time in the late 1980s to evaluate which aircraft worked out best. EK may do the same. Boeing have launched the 777-200LR/-300ER and the Longer Range 747-400. The 767-ERX has been shelved and the Sonic Cruiser seems a long way off the be launched since they are still talking to different airlines to determine configurations. I'm sure Boeing can handle these few projects. The777Man
Hamlet69 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 2308 posts, RR: 56 Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 259 times:
The Coachman,
Currently, Boeing has the 777-200LR/-300ER, 747-400ER/ERF, and technically speaking, the 737-900 programs under development, as well as various R&D programs (Sonic Cruiser, 777F, etc.). As well, they had the 747X and 767-400ERX programs that are now being slowed down.
For Airbus, they have the A380-800/-800F, A340-500/-600, and A318 programs under development. Also, they have the A330-200F and A340-600F programs in R&D (as well as others, I'm sure). Also, they have the A330-500X program that has been suspended.
Looking at these different programs, your comments don't seem to make any sense. Besides, IMO, I think it would be beneficial to have numerous research projects going on, so that your customers can decide which ones they are interested in. Its certainly better than the opposite.
Raggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 890 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 230 times:
I predict that UAL will also order a substantial number of 777-300ERs, so what Coachman says about UAL having only 8-10 GE90 powered 777-200LRs is not something I agree on....Sure UAL wishes that Pratts were avaible on the LR 777s, but a fairly large fleet of GE90 powered 200 and 300 LRs should pose no problems to them....
The Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1279 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 131 times:
While I'm not saying that having that many projects is necessarily bad, it's just that with so many, with so few customers for each, none is going to proceed.
I forgot to add the B777-300ER's for UA. There aren't that many routes that UA has that will need the B777-200LR, it would seem that the B777-300ER's will be the more likely aircraft ordered (I know it's been discussed ad nauseam on other threads.)
ILUV767, as raggi has pointed out, there are only RR and PW engine options for the B757-200.
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