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AA And Their 763s  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3030 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12087 times:

I know AA has 58 763s. What does AA have planned for the future of the 763? I would expect that they would be replaced by the 787.

I am also curious to see what is the newest one in the fleet. I know that the newest ones have come with the Boeings Singature Interior throughout the cabin, and they were supposed to come with PTVs in Y, and they came delievered with the IFE boxes underneath the seats in Y.
So, Y pax can get less legroom as a result of a PTV, without a PTV!


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32573 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12083 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
I know AA has 58 763s. What does AA have planned for the future of the 763? I would expect that they would be replaced by the 787.

AA has no plans to park 763s when 787s arrive. They will likely be used more and more on short-haul and high-density domestic from Miami, and I suspect maybe some converted to 3-class and moved to JFK trans-cons and replace the 762s.

[Edited 2010-01-10 14:20:42]


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11966 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):

Do you know what the newest bird is? And why would they put the PTV equipment in Y, then never add them in? I mean, they even added them to the A300s!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32573 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11954 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
Do you know what the newest bird is?

Sometime in 2003.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
And why would they put the PTV equipment in Y, then never add them in?

They were delivered shortly after 9/11.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11939 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
Do you know what the newest bird is?

N350AN, delivered August, 2003 (342 through 350 were all delivered around that time).



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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11910 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
They will likely be used more and more on short-haul and high-density domestic from Miami

What would they be replacing there and what would happen to those birds? And would they be representing additional capacity in the MIA market or would they use the opportunity to reduce frequencies? I am assumming by your comment they would be reconfigured from premier cabins to a high-density domestic config or no? Any additional info on why AA wants to move these aircraft to MIA is also appreciated.


User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11874 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
So, Y pax can get less legroom as a result of a PTV, without a PTV!

DL's 764s were like this originally too. They had PTVs in F but not in Y, but the wiring and IFE boxes throughout.

In the end DL did add PTVs to these aircraft, but a different system, not the one originally (partially) installed!



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4408 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11846 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
I suspect maybe some converted to 3-class and moved to JFK trans-cons and replace the 762s.

Why would AA dilute the 763 fleet with a small sub-fleet F/J/Y just to do JFK-LAX/SFO?

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 5):
I am assumming by your comment they would be reconfigured from premier cabins to a high-density domestic config or no?

The J cabins aren't that big, especially when you consider that they don't have an F cabin in them... And Y is pretty squished as it is now.


User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11815 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 7):
Why would AA dilute the 763 fleet with a small sub-fleet F/J/Y just to do JFK-LAX/SFO?

Because it needs three-class aircraft for these routes (or at a minimum, JFK-LAX), and the 762s are getting old and won't stay in the fleet forever.

The only other option would be to replace the 762s with three-class international-configured 777s or (assuming they have three classes) 787s.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24643 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11803 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
Do you know what the newest bird is?

N350AN, delivered August, 2003

That was the AA 763 damaged when the nose gear collapsed during maintenance at AFW last July. Several photos in following item.
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...merican-jet-takes-an-ungracef.html


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4408 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11789 times:



Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 8):
Because it needs three-class aircraft for these routes (or at a minimum, JFK-LAX), and the 762s are getting old and won't stay in the fleet forever.

The J seat on the 763s is excellent (by AA standards), so if they were going to put in an F cabin on some of the 763s, what else could they offer, short of putting in the Flagship Suites found in F on the 777s?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32573 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11767 times:

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 5):
And would they be representing additional capacity in the MIA market or would they use the opportunity to reduce frequencies?

I would assume additional capacity.

I'm only guessing here because no formal plans have been announced, but I expect that AA will convert some 763s into a high-density domestic configuration and it will play a similar role that the A300s did.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 7):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
I suspect maybe some converted to 3-class and moved to JFK trans-cons and replace the 762s.

Why would AA dilute the 763 fleet with a small sub-fleet F/J/Y just to do JFK-LAX/SFO?

They can park the old 762s, add capacity to their JFK-California markets and create a better product. There is nothing "diluting" about a sub-fleet of 12-15 3-class 763s. And they could probably make good use of them on MIA-LAX, too - put them on three daily MIA-LAX departures equally spread through the day - the 8AM, the noon and the 7PM from MIA/the 8AM, noon and one of the redeyes from LAX). Just look at this way: the 762 fleet is already a small sub-fleet of the 767 fleet, and it works fine.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 7):

The J cabins aren't that big, especially when you consider that they don't have an F cabin in them... And Y is pretty squished as it is now.

But AA might still want to remove the lie-flat product for a domestic F so they can put more Y seats in, while keeping the number of premium seats the same.

It will be interesting to see what AA does with the 763s when the 787s arrive, because there are a lot of scenarios. And part of it will also ride on what configuration AA goes for the 787 - will it be 3-class? 2-class? Will they have a low-density configuration and a high-density? Will the 787s replace the 762s? Without knowing the role of the 787s, its impossible to know the future of the 763s.

Selfishly, I like the status quo because it means getting to use AA's J seat on domestic flights from MIA constantly. Was just on AA 299 in J this morning. Excellent flight.

[Edited 2010-01-10 15:17:14]


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11746 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 10):

Is there even room? And I dont understand why they dont rip the PTV stuff out



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11387 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11747 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 10):
The J seat on the 763s is excellent (by AA standards), so if they were going to put in an F cabin on some of the 763s, what else could they offer, short of putting in the Flagship Suites found in F on the 777s?

Non-angled lie-flat.

They would probably rip the F seats out of the 762 fleet - the same seats that were just recently installed in the 762s within the last few months, and which were originally in the very same 763s back in the late 1990s/early 2000s. They'd be returning home.

And yes, BOACCunard is exactly right (as is, I believe, MAH4546): when 787s start arriving, the flow-down of widebody capacity that they will create will likely lead to more and more 763s being put on domestic runs or short-/mid-haul hops from MIA/JFK to Latin America, plus also to creating a subfleet of around 15 premium, low-density 763s to replace the aging 762s.

Having one fleet (763) with two subfleet configurations is less efficient than only one configuration, but it is still more efficient than two entirely different fleets (763 and 762) altogether.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11716 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 13):

What were the old seats like..so the 763s were 3-class?



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1681 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11699 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 12):
And I dont understand why they dont rip the PTV stuff out

Why would they spend the time and money to "rip it out" if it's not hurting anything?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32573 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11687 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 14):


Quoting Commavia (Reply 13):

What were the old seats like..so the 763s were 3-class?

Yes, the 763s used to be 3-class and "Hawaii class" and then converted to a standard 2-class configuration.

The old 763 F seats are now in the 762 fleet. They are lie-flat beds, but in the 762 they can only recline to about 175 degrees because of space.



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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11612 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
I would assume additional capacity.

I'm only guessing here because no formal plans have been announced, but I expect that AA will convert some 763s into a high-density domestic configuration and it will play a similar role that the A300s did.

thanks for the response


User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2256 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11434 times:

As stated on here, it's widely speculated (and hinted at) within the company the 763s will eventually play two roles: 1) Replace the 762 on domestic trans-cons (as a three-class a/c) and 2) create a fleet similar to the A300 with a high density two-class product.

For me, however, that's too far down the line and wish, and I know this is a pipe dream, that AA would order the 764 as an A300 replacement. Not exactly as capable in terms of cargo/pax, however, far better than the 757 AA is using on many former A300 routes now. I wouldn't object to an A332 either  Smile.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11352 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):

So, basically the current 763 product is a downgrade of what is used to be.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11387 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11321 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
So, basically the current 763 product is a downgrade of what is used to be.

No, its different.

You can't compare the two - apples and oranges.

The old, 3-class 763 product was designed as a lower-density, premium configuration used on international flights and domesic transcons. The new configuration which replaced the old configuration in international markets (plus a very few domestic ones) is different - higher density, 2-class. The J (F/P depending on route) product on the new configuration is very difference than the C/J configuration on the old aircraft, being angled-lie-flat, whereas the old 763 configuration had the definitely-not-lie-flat J seats that used to be on all 767s and 777s prior to a few years ago.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10964 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 20):

Yeah, but you also had the lie-flat F seats



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32573 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10965 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):


Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):

So, basically the current 763 product is a downgrade of what is used to be.

The current J product in the 763 is far nicer than even the old F product in the 763 (current 762 F product).

If you want to consider going for ancient recliner seats to lie-flat J seats a "downgrade" of product, go ahead.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4408 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10865 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
The current J product in the 763 is far nicer than even the old F product in the 763 (current 762 F product).

Which is why I asked the question earlier in this thread. If you are going to put 3 class on the AA 763, what seats will you use in F? Seems like the only way to go is Flagship Suite because the J class seats are very good already.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3292 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10864 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
I'm only guessing here because no formal plans have been announced, but I expect that AA will convert some 763s into a high-density domestic configuration and it will play a similar role that the A300s did.

Wouldn't the 787 be a more suitable replacement for the role of the A300 due to its larger cargo capacity when compared to the 767-300?


25 MAH4546 : Well, like I said, what AA could do is make the J seats F and create a new J seat that isn't lie-flat. The flagship suites are great, but not sure ho
26 747fan : Somebody mentioned earlier in the thread (either Commavia or MAH4546) that AA could use the current 762 F seats which were of course originally on th
27 Planedudea380 : That was the other way aroud, the a300's did have PTV's for some time during late 90's to early 2000's for international flights.
28 FL787 : So is it only 342-350 that have IFE boxes under the seats in Y? I'm flying an AA 763 in a couple months and would definitely prefer no box!
29 Cslusarc : I believe that the first 5 or so 787s will be growth aircraft then, the next 10 will allow AA to convert 10 763s to a high density two-class product
30 Commavia : I highly doubt you're going to see these new 787s being used to replace 767s in former A300 missions to Latin America and the Caribbean. The 787s AA
31 N62NA : That would be kind of nutty, though. Anyone who flies AA J or F on the 763s throughout their system will realize that all of a sudden, J class is bei
32 LAXtoATL : Reconfig of these handful of 763s is only for the transcon service to JFK. This would not be a fleet/system wide change. The 762s that currently oper
33 Post contains links and images Mauiman31 : Sleeper recliners with 59-60 inch pitch. I liked these seats. MyAviation.net photo: Photo © Ben Soriano They just spent $$$$ redoing all the 763
34 AA777223 : The seats would likely be the old "coffin-style" seats from the first class on the Pacific configured 777s. No one on this thread thus far, seems to
35 Raggi : Sorry if this has been posted before, but how many 763s will receive winglets? raggi
36 N62NA : Yeah, that's what I was thinking of... I just didn't explicitly refer to those seats (the coffin seats). But I think that's still nuts to put those o
37 MAH4546 : Nobody has mentioned it since that's not true. The 762 has the old 763 F seats, which look like the old 777 "coffin" seats, but are not. You have to
38 N62NA : Still doesn't look good because I'm sure many of those pax in the F and J on JFK-LAX/SFO find themselves on 763s on other routes. Now, I know we're t
39 LAXtoATL : Why exactly is this one oddball flight on this route? Is it because they just don't have enough 762s or is it part of an international rotation or so
40 Soxfan : I think AA also has to look at the premium cabins of its competition on the NYC-LAX/SFO routes. UA has had 3-class P.S. service for some time now whic
41 N62NA : Yeah, today for example, of 6 CO flights EWR-LAX, 4 are on 737s, only 2 are on 757s. The message is... Passengers using EWR to fly to LAX get a much
42 Soxfan : Also, while AA does compete with CO on its EWR-LAX, it only flies aircraft with Domestic First cabins, not 762s or 763s. Therefore, CO probably feels
43 MAH4546 : No idea, but it does connect to/from the main European bank. AA just installed a new near lie-flat F product on the 762s and the 762 recliners are co
44 AJMIA : I never thought AA would dump the A300s before they had a replacement aircraft. That being said I believe AA will do the following when the 787s begin
45 MAH4546 : MIA-SSA-REC might become a 763 again soon regardless. The cargo and passenger loads have shot through the roof and they have been subbing the 763 som
46 AJMIA : If they got an extra Brazil Frequency could they just not do MIA-REC and MIA-SSA as two separate nonstop 75L flights? AJMIA
47 BOACCunard : The F product on P.S. is angled lie-flat, just like the current J product on AA's 763. There is not the demand on most of these routes for a three-cl
48 Cubsrule : They do - the P.S. 752s (which have Y+, J, and F). Probably just a turn for an airplane that would otherwise be idle, though they can also rotate the
49 PRAirbus : I don't think we'll see AA do a major widebody shift until the 787s arrive...it will take YEARS since there's is no end in sight to AA/APA Pilots cont
50 SJOtoLIR : Since the demise of the A300s and regarding the Central American landscape, the 763 is being utilized in one of the daily flights routed as AA MIA-SJO
51 LAXtoATL : Why did you single out UA and AA, are DL 763s better than UA and AA?
52 MAH4546 : UA's 763s are top notch: an excellent F and C product that is even superior (in terms of "newer" and "more advanced," comfort is of course subjective
53 USAirALB : What was the purpose of having a Pacific config of the 777? Does anyone have a pic of the old First class from the 767 and the coffin seats from the
54 N62NA : EWR-LAX???? Nah.... they're reducing capacity there. It's down to once a day 738. And, as I've noted on here before, I wouldn't be surprised to see t
55 AA777223 : These 777s were designed with a slightly higher density premium configuration to sell more seats on business destinations to Japan. The idea didn't l
56 USAirALB : Any pics though?
57 Post contains links United1 : http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...d=0a79559c16eee68c59dd524c13c7c8ad http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...d=ab0e08676d0ecc580f028c970a288bc6
58 MAH4546 : You can still tell which ones used to be in the Pacific configuration by the signage on the plane. The old Pacific planes have Japanese signage for t
59 LAXtoATL : " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...7c8ad Remark accompanying picture: "A couple of first class seats. These seats recline to 0 de
60 Post contains links USAirALB : http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6122601&nseq=1
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