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Air France A320 In SXM (St Maarten)  
User currently offlineHywel From Sri Lanka, joined Apr 2008, 915 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18421 times:

Anyone know why Air France sent an A320 all the way to SXM as shown in this photo? What was the routing, surely it couldn't go non-stop from CDG?


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User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18432 times:

They don't. AF operates routes between the french speaking islands of the carribean, linking them to MIA (I think).


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 9022 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18434 times:

Air France has an A320 doing Caribbean routes. Destinations include Cayenne, Fort-de-France, Miami, and Pointe-à-Pitre.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34575 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18406 times:

Air France has two A320s based in the Caribbean. They link the French territories in the region to each other, Haiti and Miami.


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6751 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18426 times:

Do a topic search...a plethora of threads on this topic exist with all the details It does a milk run from MIA.


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18298 times:

Are the pilots French, American, or other?

User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18012 times:

Ia Orana all !

Pilots are french, from main line AF Paris and have temporary base in the French West Indies
The Cabin crew are mainly from Martinique and Guadeloupe and are based there. There are temporary bases as well for Paris based cabin crew if a locally based cabin attendant is pregnant or long time sickness.

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18002 times:



Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 6):
Pilots are french

So they're just traditional AF A320 pilots who went up in MIA for a bit of time? Would that bid very high or very low?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 29310 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17878 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
Air France has an A320 doing Caribbean routes. Destinations include Cayenne, Fort-de-France, Miami, and Pointe-à-Pitre.

In addition to the French points mentioned, they also stop in Port au Prince, Haiti, with 5th freedom rights. AF has been operating those routes for decades. Before the A320 they used the 727 and 737. I think they may also have used the Caravelle on those routes at one time.

AF 733 and 722 at MIA.


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User currently offlineTurkishWings From Turkey, joined May 2006, 1459 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17854 times:

I think this is one topic that comes up once a month or so....


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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 6004 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17852 times:

Air France has a very long history of flying locally around the Caribbean.

Using the A320 as you note:


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To the days of the B727 and B737:


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Even back to the days of the belle Caravelle:


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But it started with this beauty!


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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1046 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17783 times:

Is this seasonal or an odd arrival time at SXM? I spent a week in SXM staying at Maho beach and never saw an AF A320, just the daily A340. Not complaining about the 340, just wondering about the 320. Of course I wasn't at the beach the whole time.........


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17725 times:



Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 9):
I think this is one topic that comes up once a month or so....

Not quite sure if it is that often, but it is up there with DL DC-9 retirement thread counts as far as most repeated topics!

I guess people can't wrap their heads around seeing an AF narrowbody flying around MIA or SXM, etc.!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34575 posts, RR: 70
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17594 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
In addition to the French points mentioned, they also stop in Port au Prince, Haiti, with 5th freedom rights. AF has been operating those routes for decades. Before the A320 they used the 727 and 737. I think they may also have used the Caravelle on those routes at one time.

Someone correct me, but I think the route has been operated by Air France since the early 1960s. Air France is one of the longest serving airlines at Miami, although they did not add Miami-Paris until around 1988-89.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7866 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 17400 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 7):
So they're just traditional AF A320 pilots who went up in MIA for a bit of time? Would that bid very high or very low?

MIA is not the base. I believe the base Guadeloupe.

Edit - looking at the schedules - it looks like thay have at least two aircraft based at PTP / TFFR. There are three RON per week in MIA, the other RON are at PTP.

[Edited 2010-01-11 15:39:49]

User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1924 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 15136 times:

Did AF also use 707s from JFK to Guadeloupe, in the early '70s?


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User currently offlineJolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 15086 times:

I thought I saw an AF A320 out in MIA Saturday morning! :p

User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14897 times:

Yeah this topic does come up every so often... it's nothing like it used to be. A.Netter's use to go nuts some years back when they would see IB 319's, MP 738's then 320's along with the AF 320 at MIA. They were all like what? when? why? is this MIA or MAD? lol


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 29177 posts, RR: 73
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14642 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):

Someone correct me, but I think the route has been operated by Air France since the early 1960s

That DC-4 pic (though it is at SJU, they also flew to MIA) is from 1968.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Air France is one of the longest serving airlines at Miami, although they did not add Miami-Paris until around 1988-89.

That is so crazy.



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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1046 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14610 times:

And here I thought you were crazy for saying that MP ever flew 737-800s.

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Although to be fair it is technically Miami Air operating for MP.



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User currently offlinePlanenutzTB From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 256 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14079 times:

This is not any different then CO basing 737's at GUM. It's all for local island flights.


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User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14063 times:

Just saw the A320 at MIA tonight. That caught me off guard.

User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13833 times:



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 10):

There was also the 737-200 AF leased from Western Airlines:

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User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13148 times:

Interesting to know how many Airlines has AC's in duty in other Countries?

Only remember that British Airways has (or had) B727/737 in South Africa.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34575 posts, RR: 70
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13069 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 14):
Edit - looking at the schedules - it looks like thay have at least two aircraft based at PTP / TFFR. There are three RON per week in MIA, the other RON are at PTP.

There is currently an A320 RON in MIA every night except Tuesday.



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25 Doona : Well, the French territories in the Caribbean isn't another country. It's basically domestic and international flights, as usual, but from another pa
26 CheetahC : Yes, they are still flying.
27 ARFFdude : I'm curious about this as well. Seems like an awesome gig, but then again I'm a young guy with no family.
28 Ajd1992 : Pan Am also had B727s in West Germany for a long time to feed their long haul routes from Frankfurt, Heathrow etc. They were partly the reason PA103 h
29 RFields5421 : The Pan Am aircraft in West Germany were there because an airline from West Germany was not allowed to fly to Berlin. This was part of the division o
30 LTU932 : IB did operate direct flights to Central America on and off, but they also had the MIA hub with the A319s. The MIA hub was given up some time after T
31 Viscount724 : Pan Am also operated numerous change-of-gauge services from FRA to other countries in Euroipe using 727s and 737s, apart from the services to Berlin.
32 Stackhouse007 : Learn something everyday.. Thats pretty cool to see large european airlines operating smaller birds in the islands.
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