C5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3381 times:
With everyone these days ordering the new models of the 737, 747, and 787 and with the 764 not doing as good as they expected as far as sales, could we see the end of 767 production pretty soon? If not total end, at least the end of the pax version? I know there was a thread about this, but that thread was posted almost 6 yrs ago, so I would think things haved changed.
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USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2681 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3309 times:
I dunno, I can see it going on for a little while longer...ANA just ordered some 763s
DAL1044 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 110 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3272 times:
Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 2): That's assuming the military goes for the 767 tanker. From what I know, they are still in limbo between the 767 and the 330.
As far as the US goes yes but they have already delivered 1 767 tanker. I'm also certain that the USAF will go with Boeing considering the jobs situation in this Country. There will be such an uproar if they don't choose Boeing that will be heard for quite sometime. I'm not knocking Airbus but I myself feel this should stay here in the US. Since they take quite a large amount of my tax money then I feel I do have a say about it.
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5774 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3247 times:
Quoting C5LOAD (Thread starter): 764 not doing as good as they expected as far as sales
Regardless of what the Airbus fans want you to believe, the 764ER was specifically designed as an L-1011 and DC-10 replacement for DL and CO, respectively. While Boeing would have probably liked to have additional orders for it, it accomplished Boeing's primary mission of keeping two customers happy. Competing with the A330 was only an afterthought.
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NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9616 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3209 times:
767 orders in the past 5 years have only been due either low price (LAN), or as a stopgap for the heavily delayed 787 (ANA, JAL), or because the 787 waiting line is long. Thats it.
There are still about 40 767s on order:
4 ANA (+4?)
2 Azerbaijan
1 BBJ
3 DHL
ca. 6 LAN
20+ (!) UPS
4 Uzbekistan
Does someone know until when Boeing wants to build them? I shouldnt take more than 2 or 3 years to finish those but maybe UPS doesnt want them this fast. In any case I cant see another possible 767 client far and wide besides the USAF.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26726 posts, RR: 83 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3157 times:
NH and JL might add some more now that they have decided not to take the 787-3. They can use the 787-8 and 787-9 to replace the 777-200, 777-200ER and 777-300s on domestic missions, but if they must have a plane that fits in an ICAO Category D gate, the 767 is the only option unless Boeing adopts the 787-3's wingtips for a "787D".
At best 767-300 production will be one a month since they need to use the front section of Building 40-24 to complete the cabins of 787-8s rolling off the Building 40-26 FAL. So Boeing doesn't have the room in 40-24 to build more than one 767 a month in-situ in the back and then roll it out in-between 787 moves.
So at the current backlog, that should keep the line going until well into 2013 or 2014 even if they lose the KC-X RFP and no new customers of any type appear.
SKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 843 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2377 times:
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5): Regardless of what the Airbus fans want you to believe, the 764ER was specifically designed as an L-1011 and DC-10 replacement for DL and CO, respectively.
I'm not a special Boeing or Airbus fan, but once again on the same?
Do you think Boeing could say "NO" to BA, NH, or any other international customer when asked to buy 767-400's because it is made only and "specifically designed" for DL and CO?
Boeing tried to have many other customers for its 767-400 other than DL and CO. Otherwise, why to make a worldwide tour to show the plane? The 767-400 no doubt, is a good, capable airliner, but that only was purchasing by two carriers. So far I know, KQ also ordered it, but later it was canceled and a 777 order was placed instead.
Caryjack From United States of America, joined May 2007, 265 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2133 times:
This from Wiki:
"The 767-400ER is the final extended variant and was launched in 1997 on an order for Delta Air Lines and Continental Airlines to replace their aging Lockheed L-1011 and McDonnell Douglas DC-10 fleets. Orders were also placed by others including Kenya Airways and ILFC but these were eventually canceled."
This from Boeing:
A total of 38 B-764ERs were ordered by DL, CO and BBJ. All 38 airliners were subsequently delivered.
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5): the 764ER was specifically designed as an L-1011 and DC-10 replacement for DL and CO, respectively
Based just on the Wiki information this seems about right.
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5): While Boeing would have probably liked to have additional orders for it
They did shop it around and managed one more sale.
Quoting SKY1 (Reply 8): Do you think Boeing could say "NO" to BA, NH, or any other international customer when asked to buy 767-400's because it is made only and "specifically designed" for DL and CO
No one said Boeing had an exclusive deal with CO or DL for the 764ER.
Quoting SKY1 (Reply 8): Boeing tried to have many other customers for its 767-400 other than DL and CO. Otherwise, why to make a worldwide tour to show the plane?
That's clear, why wouldn't they? It appears that you misread 1337Delta764's post.
Quoting SKY1 (Reply 8): A lie is not more true just because it's said many times.
It looks to me that you are calling 1337Delta764 a liar because he said that Boeing would not sell the 764ER to any other customers. If that is the case, you are wrong.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6717 posts, RR: 65 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2061 times:
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5): Regardless of what the Airbus fans want you to believe, the 764ER was specifically designed as an L-1011 and DC-10 replacement for DL and CO, respectively. While Boeing would have probably liked to have additional orders for it, it accomplished Boeing's primary mission of keeping two customers happy. Competing with the A330 was only an afterthought.
Still peddling this old nonsense? It has been disproved again and again...
And you don't have to be an "Airbus fan" to suggest that the 767-400 achieved disappointing sales and that Boeing fully expected and intended to sell a lot more.
As for the future of the 767 line, I see no good reason why it won't soldier on for a while yet. For the past half decade they've been building just one a month so their existing backlog will keep them ticking over for a few years. New orders for the pax version will be sparse and the freighter isn't selling in huge numbers but I guess a trickle of new orders will keep coming in.
And I agree that some or all of the USAF's tankers will be 767s - either for a good reason or a bad one.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6717 posts, RR: 65 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2033 times:
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5): Regardless of what the Airbus fans want you to believe, the 764ER was specifically designed as an L-1011 and DC-10 replacement for DL and CO, respectively. While Boeing would have probably liked to have additional orders for it, it accomplished Boeing's primary mission of keeping two customers happy.
If anyone really wants to thrash this one to death yet again they might save themselves the trouble and read (and agree or disagree with) this.
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