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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10047 times:
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Welcome to the 70th Edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. In thread #69 New Zealand Aviation Thread #69 -Christmas Edition (by 777ER Dec 22 2009 in Civil Aviation) we learnt and discussed:

- NZ new SYD-RAR B763 service
- ZK-FRE's delivery flight to Webjet
- Eagle's CHC-WSZ flights
- -SJE is the next B733 coming off lease - May 2011
- First A320 domestic service is January/February 2010
- PacBlue launch AKL-CNS
- Nelson gets all excited about a CRJ700 business jet in town
- B772s cabin upgrade begins Jan 2011 to inline them with the new B773 cabin
- DJs E fleet
- PacBlues Y+ upgrade begins around March/April
- NZs new 'barbie' uniform designs get released

ZQN gets more NZ Australian flights - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/322340...e-flights-scheduled-for-Queenstown

[Edited 2010-01-11 16:09:18 by srbmod]

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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10044 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
ZQN gets more NZ Australian flights

Yes, peak (July-August) services are now
6x weekly SYD-ZQN
4x weekly BNE-ZQN
3x weekly MEL-ZQN

. . . and WLG-SYD is down (presumbly as a consequence) to just 7x weekly - a far cry from the 13x weekly flights operating for many years after the B733s were introduced. I thought that the winter reduction from 10x weekly in 2008 to 8x weekly in 2009 was pretty steep, but they've cut again, and further, for 2010. Surely they won't ever go below daily . . . will they . . . ?



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10037 times:
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Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 2):
WLG-SYD is down (presumbly as a consequence) to just 7x weekly

Oh well, guess I won't be using NZ for the up-coming SYD trip. Hello PacBlue or Qantas.

Wonder if DJ or QF will use NZs reductions as the excuse to increase their flights.


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10013 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
Oh well, guess I won't be using NZ for the up-coming SYD trip. Hello PacBlue or Qantas.

Wonder if DJ or QF will use NZs reductions as the excuse to increase their flights.


Well Pac Blue are only 3 times a week on this route for the dates in feb i looked up .



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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9964 times:

Just in response to ZKpilot's post in the rpevious thread...

1) AIAL is a private company that is listed on the sharemarket... DWA is owned directly/indirectly by Dubai's rulers.

AIAL is still partially owned by Auckland and Manukau City Councils. Does that imply a devious plot to take over Australia, as people seem to think Dubai has to take over, what, New Zealand?

2) AIAL is buying a monority stake in CNS... DWA wanted to take control (majority stake) in AIAL.

So? And didn't DWA make concessions to the board structure to appease those screaming that it was a takeover by a foreign superpower?

3) Australia and New Zealand have CER meaning that money and other capital is free to be invested back and forth between the two countries etc. DWA just wanted to own (as they do with many things through their sovereign wealth fund) and then suck profits.

Utter supposition and without any basis in fact. You know this how? You have evidence? and would what DWA brought to the table be wrose than AIAL's approach to haphazard development of the airport?

4) Dubai defaulted and had to be bailed out by Abu Dhabi recently. Had they controlled AIAL and loaded it up with debt (as was the plan) then AIAL would be in serious trouble right now as interest costs on loans (if you can even get the funds in the first place) are much higher as a result of the GFC.

Assuming they were going to "load it up with debt" (proof?), it is the financial situation of the company itself, not DWA, that would have more impact on how they serviced that particular debt.

5) One of the real reasons why Dubai wanted to buy AIAL was so that it could get favourable treatment for EK and make life hard for QF and NZ, possibly the likes of SQ etc also.

With all due respect, that is absolute nonsense. These were all the arguments thrown out by xenophobes and ill-informed scaremongerers. The result - a hasty government blocking that has done substantial damage to NZ's reputation as a destination for foreign investment.

But that's ok right because you still have your tv and your car and warm blanky and things seem hunky dory? No apparent loss, eh? Ahhhh yes, the Kiwi way!


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25081 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9651 times:
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I'm investigating going back to an old stamping ground in the Middle East - Jordan and Syria - for a visit later in the year.

I can do it, obviously, through Emirates at a pretty good price, and Qantas/Etihad sounds like fun, but I thought I'd take a look at Air NZ.

The Air NZ website didn't want to know - either through DAM, AMM or BEY. I was surprised because Egyptair is a member of Star Alliance, but CAI didn't come up on the website, either.

A travel agent offered me Air NZ/Lufthansa, going through FRA, but that was about 50% more expensive.

I understand that these are unusual places for Kiwis, but my real surprise was that the airline doesn't seem to have any affiliation with a Middle Eastern airline, other than Egyptair, through Star Alliance, which the website didn't seem to recognize.

Am I doing something wrong on the website? Any clues?

mariner



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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9612 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
Am I doing something wrong on the website? Any clues?

I've noticed the same thing. If your city isn't within a prescribed list, you simply have no option, which isn't much help. I think it relates to the fact that the relationships between Star carriers aren't as deep/wide as we all kindof expect. the Star website is equally useless, in this kind of situation (actually I've found - 6 months ago - that its timetabling information was a little dodgy as well).

I would highly, HIGHLY recommend against the LH option, by the way. Maybe give the SQ website a go? Their relationship with Egyptair might be a little sturdier.


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9601 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
The Air NZ website didn't want to know - either through DAM, AMM or BEY. I was surprised because Egyptair is a member of Star Alliance, but CAI didn't come up on the website, either.

Star Alliance include TK as well. TK fly HKG-IST so it would be a very easy connection to IST & beyond. I use expedia.co.nz for those kind of destinations - NZ based sites in general are not suitable for anyone like you or me that likes more 'exotic' destinations.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9453 times:
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Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 7):

With websites like expedia.co.nz, can those web-sites be trusted? I'm more on the careful side when it comes to booking overseas flights by preferring to use airlines web-sites or travel agents


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9434 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
With websites like expedia.co.nz, can those web-sites be trusted? I'm more on the careful side when it comes to booking overseas flights by preferring to use airlines web-sites or travel agents

I've found them very reliable (and I work for an airline now/previously in ticketing). I've booked airfares from them for number of 'obscure' (by NZ standards) airlines for travel on every continent. The seat requests have always eventuated, and it automatically updates you with any change of schedule (as it was for my Oceanair flight last year) and if they can't generate the ticket immediately (due to carrier restrictions) it can be done in less than 24 hours and the ticket number/expedia booking reference & Airline GDS PNR reference sent..

TBH I'd rather use this site than go and book with a franchise travel agency like Flight Centre. Since I have been working at the airport they have caused us the airline more delays/denied boardings than any other - More than I can count, and not just from one agency. I've had passengers that were given tickets, without accepting payment, passengers booked on flights that don't connect (as two separate more expensive tickets instead of one thru-fare), or even booked on flights to BNE instead of SYD (despite the itinerary presented to them) and any number of other problems which were caused at that stage of reservation....

I prefer to do it all myself so I know what has been done, and what hasn't. As a former travel agent I have found that a lot of them are no better than if you were to find and book
it yourself.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9395 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
The Air NZ website didn't want to know - either through DAM, AMM or BEY. I was surprised because Egyptair is a member of Star Alliance, but CAI didn't come up on the website, either.



Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
I understand that these are unusual places for Kiwis, but my real surprise was that the airline doesn't seem to have any affiliation with a Middle Eastern airline, other than Egyptair, through Star Alliance, which the website didn't seem to recognize.



Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
With websites like expedia.co.nz, can those web-sites be trusted?

The website does not currently do destinations like this, there has been on going developments since the ISIS booking engine was developed in house oh a number of years back now. This includes, International bookings, Interline travel, off shore store fronts, seating etc. As developments and enhancements progress you will see the addition of new destinations and regions added to this functionality.

Just because it's not online it's not to say NZ does not offer fares to this region. We do  Smile

NZ does have interline fares with QR, MS and EY.
http://www.airnzagent.co.nz/resource...saver-economy-qeh1y-rev11nov09.pdf

Ground TG992



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25081 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9389 times:
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Quoting TG992 (Reply 10):
Just because it's not online it's not to say NZ does not offer fares to this region. We do  

NZ does have interline fares with QR, MS and EY.

They may do, but the fare travel agent found was 50% more than the others I was quoted.

Expedia offers it too, but the lowest QR/Air NZ fare that I found - AKL-AMM - is almost double the lowest fare on Qantas/Etihad or Emirates and Orbitz didn't offer me Air NZ at all.

I admit I am a Luddite - if I didn't have a Mac I doubt I'd use the internet - but I know that I am more computer savvy than many of my friends.

Now, you may say that I should just look harder - which I surely will - but the first impression I get is negative and I'm not sure that's good.

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User currently offlineGasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9336 times:



Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 9):
I prefer to do it all myself so I know what has been done, and what hasn't. As a former travel agent I have found that a lot of them are no better than if you were to find and book
it yourself.

Yeah. There's nothing worse than going to a travel agent, watching them tap a few keys on a keyboard and coming up with exactly the same information you could have found out yourself in two seconds on the internet.

The good travel agents that are thriving are those that are able to provide some "inside knowledge", & get you fares, combinations, and flexibility that you couldn't do yourself.

I have used Expedia a lot and find it very useful. I have recently scored a return fare to Cusco, Peru for $1700 NZ on LAN which I thought was pretty good for the amount of travel involved. I once had to make a change after the event, and that was a relatively painless process.

Having said all of that, last year I got a return fare to Europe in J class on SQ from my local Mondo travel agent, which was way cheaper than anything being offered on Expedia at the time. And this year the same agent has also come up with a brilliant hotel deal for me in the US. So I think it generally pays to check out both options - if you have a decent travel agent. If you don't, just do it all yourself.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9309 times:

I've been using travel agent web sites recently to check out fares to Europe for a flight planned for September, and my observations have been

(a) Their computer systems seem to go into meltdown and offer ridiculously high fares for "out of the way" destinations served mainly by smaller or lesser-known carriers, or even smaller cities in larger countries. In almost every case, I could find a cheaper fare to a nearby point, add the cost of a connecting flight, and still come in VERY significantly cheaper than the price quoted by the web site. So unless you're going for a "mainstream" destination, I don't recommend these web sites - unless you want to pay $6-8,000 for an Economy return flight (I kid you not!).

(b) The cheapest prices change very regularly. Example: I was looking for a fare to BCN a few weeks ago, and found a good price on SQ. Last week, the best price for the same travel dates was on NZ and SU via DME, very signficiantly cheaper again. This week, the best price is on NZ and KL via AMS, more expensive again.

(c) In general, the most consistently cheap prices out of New Zealand appear to be on KE ($1,799 return for most of the year), but not all agents seem to offer these. I'm toying with flying into PRG (a favourite city of mine) on KE, taking Wizz Air from PRG-BCN (a mere $NZ85) and eventually flying back from AMS (another favourite city where I lived for five years) to ICN and AKL.

I know some will say that KE is awful, but I have travelled with them AKL-ICN-LON before, and I found them quite acceptable. Mind you, I'm the sort of person who plans to take AR on his next trip to SYD (both for the price, and the fact that, inexplicably, given the zillions of kms I've travelled, I've NEVER set foot on an A340). My ex-wife and son did the same trip last week and found it to be . . . terrible!

For the record, my preference for the travel agent web sites is, in order, (1) Harvey World Travel, (2) House of Travel, (3) Itchyfeet (who do offer KE) and a distant fourth STA Travel (web site is hopeless). Flight Centre doesn't even rate a mention because you can't check prices out on-line - you have to wait for them to send you a quote.

[Edited 2010-01-13 13:31:57]


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25081 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9296 times:
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Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 13):
Mind you, I'm the sort of person who plans to take AR on his next trip to SYD (both for the price, and the fact that, inexplicably, given the zillions of kms I've travelled, I've NEVER set foot on an A340). My ex-wife and son did the same trip last week and found it to be . . . terrible!

I'm not sure what they found to be terrible. If it was the A340, I can't imagine what was terrible about it - I've always found it a very pleasant aircraft.

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 13):
Flight Centre doesn't even rate a mention because you can't check prices out on-line - you have to wait for them to send you a quote.

I just go in. I have a cup of coffee and a chat and give them the parameters of what I want to do - which can be quite variable. They give me input and choices.

Quoting TG992 (Reply 10):
As developments and enhancements progress you will see the addition of new destinations and regions added to this functionality.

I hope so. As I said, I accept that the places I want to go are off the beaten Kiwi track, so I did a little checking.

I was more than surprised that the Air NZ booking engine did not recognize Mumbai, Delhi or Chennai - that has to be a bit depressing for the Indian community in NZ.

I guess I wasn't surprised about Nairobi - NBO - but I am still puzzled about CAI.

I've never been as thrilled as some about Star Alliance (or any of the big alliances) but I am startled that the booking engine does not recognize the only hub of a partner airline.

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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9286 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 13):
Mind you, I'm the sort of person who plans to take AR on his next trip to SYD (both for the price, and the fact that, inexplicably, given the zillions of kms I've travelled, I've NEVER set foot on an A340). My ex-wife and son did the same trip last week and found it to be . . . terrible!

I'm not sure what they found to be terrible. If it was the A340, I can't imagine what was terrible about it - I've always found it a very pleasant aircraft.

I don't think it was the A340 they took issue with, it was the lack of IFE (in the case of my son) and the dessicated bread roll that passed as a meal, along with the off-hand manner of the AR cabin crew.

But I'm made of sterner stuff - I won't complain!

My son was checking out the AR timing reliability in the weeks leading up to his flight, and he found that they were late almost every single day, ranging from an hour to eight hours. Is this typical for AR?



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6414 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9272 times:



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 15):
My son was checking out the AR timing reliability in the weeks leading up to his flight, and he found that they were late almost every single day, ranging from an hour to eight hours. Is this typical for AR?

I've semi tracked it over the years.. And I must say they can be extremely unreliable either due to strikes or simply because the shortage of planes they use on this route. If you go to the AKL website on a random day, you could find yourself looking at the top of the arrivals screen at the AR flight with the words "rescheduled" or "new time" in the remarks column.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25081 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9248 times:
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Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 15):
Is this typical for AR?

At the risk of generalizing, punctuality is not considered a primary virtue in some parts of the world.

Apologists fir Mussolini always said at least he made the trains run on time.

But I don't go to Italy for punctuality. I don't mind if the trains - or the planes - are late. There's often a lot of shouting and yelling - and laughter - associated with it.

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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9194 times:



Quoting Gasman (Reply 12):
Yeah. There's nothing worse than going to a travel agent, watching them tap a few keys on a keyboard and coming up with exactly the same information you could have found out yourself in two seconds on the internet.

Yeah, but I think the very worst is when you know substantially mroe than the travel agent (e.g. the agent insisiting an airline doesn't serve a route when you know it does; not knowing basic destination information/country names).

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 13):
I know some will say that KE is awful, but I have travelled with them AKL-ICN-LON before, and I found them quite acceptable. Mind you, I'm the sort of person who plans to take AR on his next trip to SYD (both for the price, and the fact that, inexplicably, given the zillions of kms I've travelled, I've NEVER set foot on an A340). My ex-wife and son did the same trip last week and found it to be . . . terrible!

Actually a friend of mine recently did the Middle East on Korean. I think, with a tour included over 4 weeks and airfares, it added up to around $5K. Might be an option, Mariner. He went to Cairo (via IST, I think) and left from IST via somewhere totally random like Tashkent.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
I guess I wasn't surprised about Nairobi - NBO - but I am still puzzled about CAI.

If you are looking at east Africa, I can highly recommend Kenya Airways. New planes, great IFE, great service at NBO if you have a long connection (free meals etc), reliable and extensive network. Unfortunately they're linked with the consistently awful KLM, but if you can get a MH/KQ/KL fare, you can usually avoid KL altogether and just fly MH operated codeshares to/from Europe, the Middle East and Asia.


User currently offlinePewpew320 From New Zealand, joined Mar 2009, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9180 times:



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 13):

I know some will say that KE is awful, but I have travelled with them AKL-ICN-LON before, and I found them quite acceptable. Mind you, I'm the sort of person who plans to take AR on his next trip to SYD (both for the price, and the fact that, inexplicably, given the zillions of kms I've travelled, I've NEVER set foot on an A340). My ex-wife and son did the same trip last week and found it to be . . . terrible!

KE are a decent airline no complains with them!

AR on the other hand.... urgh well let's just say even a free upgrade to J wasn't enough to make me fly them again. LA is usually the same price and much better.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9079 times:
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Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 9):

Just did a search on expedia.co.nz for flights to DTW and they gave fares starting from $11192 for economy. It only costs me less then $5000 for Y+ travel to DTW on NZ and UA/US, so don't know how on earth expedia got $11000 fares?!?!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9072 times:
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Air Force trainer crashes this morning near bulls. The RNZAF lost one of its top pilots. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3229...ilot-dies-in-air-force-plane-crash

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9071 times:
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Since the B787-3 programme has been cancelled, what does everyone think of a B763NG as the B787-3s replacement? Boeing 767 NG To Fill 787-3/767 Gap <5000NM (by Keesje Jan 12 2010 in Civil Aviation)

User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9057 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 20):
Just did a search on expedia.co.nz for flights to DTW and they gave fares starting from $11192 for economy. It only costs me less then $5000 for Y+ travel to DTW on NZ and UA/US, so don't know how on earth expedia got $11000 fares?!?!

My point exactly re some of the travel agent booking machines - though I'd have expected that a destination like DTW would not be considered "out of the way"! Harvey World Travel's web site offers a return in Feb for $2,197 on NZ and DL, which is more realistic.



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9043 times:

The 767NG thread has been interesting, though if it is a simple re-engining program, airlines might be tempted to re-engine planes already in the fleet, rather than order new builds. AirNZ is already half way there with the new interiors and the winglets.''

This would be interesting for airlines which already have big fleets of 763s and 764s. The 764s would get the extra range that they are missing

When the 707 was still in production, Boeing did do the re-engine job on one commercial plane and there are photos of the plane in the air with CFMs. Boeing might have been afraid it would have slowed down 767 sales in the early days if a re-engined 707 had been really good, so they kept the re-engining job for military 707s. That may be what happens to the 767NG - only military sales.


25 TG992 : Just did 2 searches for AKL-DTW and they both came in at $2.2 - 2.4k. Did you only do one search before bursting into print?
26 Avrich : RIP Sqn Ldr Nick Cree. So sad.
27 Post contains links 777ER : If Boeing does go with a B763NG then maybe Boeing should consider using interiors from the B787. Why search with AKL as the departure city when its n
28 DavidByrne : " target=_blank>http://www.expedia.co.nz/pub/agent.d...54538 I think that the point is that from anywhere in NZ to DTW a fare of $11k is just absurd.
29 Post contains links PA515 : The Air Transport World 'Airline of the Year' is ..... Air New Zealand. An extra day of annual leave for all staff. www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/a
30 TG992 : And I wonder why? if I need to explain that in more details then I suggest you don't argue points you don't know much about. I'm refering to GDS fees
31 Mariner : I am a passenger trying to book a fare. I am posting the fares I was offered. How is that arguing any point? And I'm talking about it publicly. I sai
32 MotorHussy : Bloody well done all you NZ staffers on here, this is great to see and I believe a true reflection of both the global industry and this nation's airl
33 Mariner : I'm sure they are well served by the other carriers - and I am sure they go to them. That is traffic lost to Air NZ. Nor am I asking Air NZ to serve
34 NZ107 : Great job, everyone here who works for NZ! And congrats to NZ! MH has said it well.
35 MotorHussy : Agreed entirely... and they should try and get some of that traffic through codeshares from HKG with the Indian airline that staralliance is courting
36 Mariner : I didn't try Brazil, but SCL - Santiago de Chile - didn't come up. Not surprisingly, JNB and CPT come up - the code share? - as the only recognized p
37 Post contains links TG992 : The aree GDS and messaging issues with AI on these routes. And you wondered why they were so much higher. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticl
38 Mariner : The point remains that I - as passenger - don't have access to them on the website. And that I - as passenger - will go to an airline that recognizes
39 GarethW : Get out on the wrong side of the bed today by any chance? GW
40 DavidByrne : Yep, I'm 100% with Mariner on this, and I think that TG992 is being more than a little defensive in his support for his employer. I do appreciate tha
41 MotorHussy : Well said. Agree with Mariner and yourself 100%. No sense in turning off and away passengers unnecessarily when surely this issue can be simply recti
42 777ER : The search I got offered was only with NZ and NW - even when clicking on no airline preference Would love to book via the NZ web-site if it offered m
43 Post contains links 777ER : Rob Fyfe is wearing pick this week in support of the proposed new uniform colour - http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fa...ponse-has-Air-NZ-chief-in-th
44 Mariner : It isn't the pink that is the problem with those uniforms. mariner
45 Aerokiwi : The multi-stop function is good but it has its limitations. For instance, if you do a RTW search and want to fly into one of the US coasts and out of
46 Aerokiwi : " target=_blank>http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fa...-pink I guess he has to spin it as a positive. What's kind of odd is that he can't understand
47 Darenw : Congratulations to Air New Zealand staff. A well deserved day off
48 Mariner : I really wish it could. I was at the local store run by an Indian family, and asked them which airlines they used. I've mentioned them before because
49 Post contains links Kiwiandrew : " target=_blank>www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/art...20299 Congratulations to the staff and management of NZ . Not sure if anyone has posted the li
50 Koruman : I think the airline's staff are marvellous and I congratulate them. (Just as I am angered by Zeal320, FASCO and outsourcing). But I think that manage
51 UncleKoru : For those with an interest in Auckland operations; The standby (or alternate runway?) is due to be decommissioned in February this year. 23R/05L will
52 NZ107 : Very interesting. So what happens in the case of the (main) runway being unavailable? In a way it sounds silly to just remove the 23R/05L when it doe
53 UncleKoru : It has made what should be a relatively simple airport layout quite complicated. The proliferation of aerodrome plates, complicated taxi instructions
54 TN486 : why? Is there a logical reason for this decommissioning?
55 Axio : In a few years it would be 23C/05C, so maybe theres a desire to put some gap between it closing and the new runway opening to avoid confusion there.
56 Cchan : And the booking engine is even worse on overseas sites than the New Zealand site.
57 TravellerPlus : Congratulations to all NZ staff for the ATW award. It's an fantastic recognition for your efforts on so many levels. You've earned your extra day off
58 TG992 : No, hold on.... But more specifically My point is we do! And I was explaining the developments of the website with many projects going on right now.
59 Mariner : You keep missing the point. How does any passenger know what has been discussed internally? Nor do I - as passenger - care what is going to happen. I
60 Post contains links NZ107 : The new runway has been deferred indefinitely for the time being. So because it's not even near a position to look like a runway, I don't see how thi
61 TG992 : Read my whole post. I also said there used to be wording explaining not all bookings can be made online. I'm also not sure why this was removed. From
62 MotorHussy : Well Virgin Atlantic had huge input into the development of their Business-Premier class which later NZ paid a premium to use so this quote is not co
63 UncleKoru : Safety. This is a user driven decision, and as I said previously, the confusing taxi instructions, large number of aerodrome plates, potential for mi
64 Mariner : But I always understood that. As stated, I had already talked to my travel agent, with whom I have a very cheerful and friendly relationship. As also
65 TG992 : Ground TG992 - no point trying to get the last word against mariner, regardless if he's right or wrong I keep hearing references to how large the Indi
66 Mariner : I'm not asking for Air NZ to fly to India with its own metal. Not this time, anyway. mariner
67 Aerokiwi : To SQ - certainly. If NZ is going to promote it's relationship within Star the way it does, the least it could do is actually demonstrate that relati
68 Post contains links TravellerPlus : Regards the Indian market, in the year to Septmeber 2009, there were approximately 25,000 visits by Indian nationals to New Zealand and 3000 visits by
69 TN486 : Thanks, I must have missed a previous post of yours. I had not heard that, once again thank you.
70 TheCommodore : Have just heard that Air NZ has been awarded airline of the year. Well done to all those involved ! I've always thought you guys are the best at what
71 SunriseValley : How is Prince William travelling to and from N.Z.?
72 777ER : Around the time he is supposed to be landing at AKL from LHR, NZ38 arrives. Maybe on NZ38, if so is NZ38 being upgraded to a B744 so he can have an e
73 Kiwiandrew : I wouldnt think so , that does not seem to be the style these days , in fact a few months ago here in Mauritius it was reported that William voluntar
74 UncleKoru : No worries.
75 Zkpilot : I have also not heard that at all! Personally I had no problem at all with it. Considering that many airports around the world have more than 2 runwa
76 Kaiarahi : I guess they don't get out much. You often lose me - there's not much I can do on the Canadian site; although I must admit it's better than it was -
77 PA515 : That's no excuse. There is an unnecessary tone to some of your posts and as you usually identify yourself as an Air NZ employee it does not reflect w
78 TG992 : Rob Fyfe has said today that the new interiors for the 773 etc. will be revealed in 'a week and a half'.
79 TG992 : Hmmmm I'm really not sure where to start here. Lets just say more Kiwis go to TSV than RIO, BOM or SIN (The AKL-SIN secotr is popular but I bet their
80 Mariner : Okay, I'm lost. Are there two TG992's? Is there one TG992 who dumps on me for suggesting that an Indian port should appear in the website - while ano
81 Kaiarahi : I don't understand why NZ doesn't push YVR as a transit point for Europe either using its own metal to (say) LHR and FRA or just with * partners. The
82 UncleKoru : I hear what you're saying, I too have little trouble with it. However, If you have access to it, there's an interesting article about it in the lates
83 Knid : I've always found the Air NZ system to be very restrictive and highly frustrating, I will only ever use it on short notice, if I need a trip domestic
84 TG992 : Yes sorrt, TG992 and Ground TG992, perhaps I sign up myself To answer that though, whilist we don't fly to India and for other reasons i'm not repeat
85 TravellerPlus : I agree that HKG makes sense operationally, but there is a bigger barrier than simply the costs of setting up a new base, or two. The HKG authorities
86 Mariner : Then I have no idea how to debate one user who has totally schizophrenic attitudes. Your suggests you think it is cute. Cute doesn't cut it for me. I
87 ZK-NBT : Interesting aye. I've always heard that AKL has one of the easiest approaches in the world! That was a few years ago, but I can't see what would real
88 Aerokiwi : I'm still at a loss as to why Qantas, from oneworld and a/the major competitor is included in online bookings before Star partners. More Kiwis go to
89 DavidByrne : And in general, I agree that NZ has been incredibly innovative over the last few years in providing for and appealing to its customers. Just that the
90 DavidByrne : Just a curious question: How much is the fact that NZ is the only *A carrier on HKG-LHR worth to the carrier? Does it seriously help fill the sharp en
91 777ER : Prince William arrive today on NZ38. One part that has me confussed is that NZ trys to encourage its pax to book online, but you in reality you basica
92 DavidByrne : . . . or go to one of the travel agent sites and book to many more destinations on-line, and at very competitive prices - but often on carriers other
93 BlackLabel : I typically fly SIN-DEL twice a month and SIN-AKL once a month. I have to waitlist on these flights E-V-E-R-Y single time, and am typically buying fu
94 Post contains links 777ER : WLG is closed this morning due to severe fog - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3236...et-to-affect-Prince-Williams-visit In all honesty I'm not surpri
95 DavidByrne : I'm frankly surprised - with SQ, AI, 9W and QF all competing for traffic on SIN-BOM, and SQ, AI and 9W also on SIN-DEL, I'd have thought it would be
96 TN486 : Does your instinct suggest CAIRNS?
97 Koruman : AKL-CNS-BOM is the obvious choice, isn't it? It would very much appeal to the inbound Indian leisure market. The other alternative is AKL-MEL-BOM, bu
98 Pewpew320 : AKL-MEL-BOM outward then BOM-CNS-MEL-AKL on the way in? Caters to all. i guess then you have the issue about no outbound flight on the same airline ba
99 Mariner : Probably. But: Would get my vote. mariner
100 6thfreedom : Your suggested route might have flown in the 80s and 90s, but the chance of ANYONE flying it these days = 0 Same here... either MEL or PER as interme
101 BlackLabel : I can't speak for SIN-BOM (although I think it is the same as DEL), but the SIN-DEL flights I am on are always full, in economy and business - and of
102 DavidByrne : I've always assumed that the Australian transit point would be a major city with its own Indian diaspora and significant business opportunities, rath
103 SunriseValley : Which Indian city would be best for a service from N.Z. and Aus.? Looking at the FL34 winds for today , MEL-BOM looks like 12hrs.15m gate to gate at a
104 SunriseValley : In an earlier thread NZ1 stated that the seats for the new product were going to be built in house. Does this cover all seating? Does this mean they w
105 TN486 : Either is quite feasible, however a MEL transit would ensure better loads out of MEL to BOM/ and vice versa I would suspect.
106 SunriseValley : I have done some more work on this possibility from a range/payload aspect. I believe the winglets have added ~350nm to the MZFW range bringing it up
107 Post contains links Mariner : I guess the biggest issue in this discussion is why Qantas ended the non-stops SYD-BOM in favour of SYD-SIN-BOM, with onward traffic from other Austr
108 TG992 : keep an eye out for the sign off, one will say Ground TG992 Really? I can't put this any more simply, Kiwis and Australians who make up a large part
109 Mariner : I shrug. IIf the username TG992 is going to continue to make statements such as: I'm not going to bother reading the rest of the post to try and work
110 DavidByrne : I'm really confused about "TG992". If there are two of you, why do you use the same log-in? To the uninitiated, there's only one TG992 on this thread
111 Motorhussy : Mel I agree, MEL should be a mini-hub for NZ with flights there from AKL to JNB and BOM as it is under-serviced by QF. IMHO of course MH
112 Zkpilot : Well for an Asian carrier it probably wouldn't be much of an issue, but for a western carrier, flights to India are some of the most (if not the most
113 Mariner : If you want to swap stories of bad behavior, I can do that. I remember flying with an all Australian (all "white") film crew of sixty people SYD-KUL
114 Aerokiwi : How does my questioning of NZ's website system reflect on the "level of debate in these forums"? It seems perfectly legitimate to question why a some
115 TG992 : Because the answers and are extremely logical as I'll point out in a few moments. Well there ya have it. Really do I need to say anymore? This is it,
116 6thfreedom : QF couldn't make ADL-AKL work either, but NZ does!
117 777ER : Yes I know the connections are legal., but some connections are simply far to long, like connections from LAX/SFO for flights towards ORD, JFK etc wh
118 Mariner : I think that's right. I think the alliances are vitally useful to the US legacies, for example, and not just them. I think the potential/actual defec
119 NZ1 : I never said they were being built in-house, rather designed in-house, with the building outsourced to a company that shall remain nameless for the t
120 Koruman : I enjoy both TG992s comments,and have no trouble working out which one is which. Can't we just leave them in peace? BTW, the India debate is getting a
121 NZ107 : How do you compare it to China then? Does their middle class do much to increase the yield on AKL-PEK/PVG? And there would also be significant number
122 Post contains links Mariner : In the meantime, the inevitable has happened, and JAL has filed for bankruptcy, owing $25 billion. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Japan-...for-25-rb-2
123 Zkpilot : Yes its true that these things can happen on any flight, the difference/or point that I am trying to make is that it is the norm rather than the exce
124 SunriseValley : Sorry, I misunderstood the connection to the ANZES reference.
125 AirNewZealand : If they gave it time, they may of. However, when you put a clapped-out 737-300 the constantly was restricted, diverted and was delayed, what do you e
126 ANstar : So with JAL now in bankruptcy protection, I presume they will be lookign at all ways to cut costs. I reckon the block sale agreement with Air NZ on th
127 NZ107 : It may allow NZ to free up some 772s and send 763s back to Japan. But I'm not too sure what they'd do with the 772s if they ended up doing that. It s
128 Moderators : This thread has been derailed by discussion of forum rules and their application. There seems little point in letting it continue in this vein. Feel f
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