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Airbus Announce Final Orders & Deliveries 2009  
User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7144 times:

WIth the Airbus annual press conf kicking off in a few minutes does anyone have any predictions as to what we might hear?

My thoughts would be:

- Winning the net order race with approx 250 net sales for 2009
- Coming a close second in the deliveries race
- Some more sales firmed e.g. VS one from yesterday - I wonder about the VN A380 order?
- Possibly at least one suprise - another A380 order?

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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Thread starter):
- Possibly at least one suprise - another A380 order?

More like the cancellation of the A400M military project. Maybe the A380 too. If they cancel one risky project, might as well ditch the other one too. Then don't go ahead with the A350, and finally, announce the winding down of the company.

If they want to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater, then they might as well go all the way and do it in proper style. (sarcasm alert)

Seriously, the A400M does look in big trouble, but I can't believe they wouldn't keep on with it.

[Edited 2010-01-12 01:43:20 by cpd]

[Edited 2010-01-12 01:47:00 by cpd]

User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7106 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 1):
More like the cancellation of the A400M military project.

Maybe.

Quoting Cpd (Reply 1):
Maybe the A380 too.

Hell would need to freeze over before they cancel the A380 project today.

My opinion.



WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12499 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7115 times:
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Confirmed 310 (not 311) net orders, 498 deliveries.

Looking to deliver 20 A380s in 2010.



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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

So the orders & deliveries race goes to Airbus
310:142 orders
498:481 deliveries

In the deliveries, B has 109 widebodies, so I could imagine they made that race  Smile.



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6960 times:



Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 4):
So the orders & deliveries race goes to Airbus
310:142 orders
498:481 deliveries

As speculated a few days ago they've delivered a whole pile of planes in December - the quoted total for end of Nov was 437 - that's 61 birds in the month!


User currently offlineN1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 559 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6964 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 3):
Confirmed 310 (not 311) net orders, 498 deliveries.

That is the gross orders.
Reuters/AP etc are reporting net orders is 271.


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6951 times:

Link to Airbus' Press Release

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...s_items/10_01_12_2009_results.html


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6934 times:

Orders from:

Zest Airways - 1 A320
Air New Zealand - 10 A320
Lan Airlines - 13 A319, 17 A320
China Eastern - 16 A330-200
Virgin Atlantic - 6 A330-300
Turkish Airlines - 20 A319
Finnair - 2 A330-300

I´m not certain but it looks like one A340-600 VVIP was cancelled.



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6917 times:



Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 4):
In the deliveries, B has 109 widebodies, so I could imagine they made that race

402 A320 Family
86 A330/A340s
10 A380s

So a total of 96 widebodies.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6885 times:

Looking at the updated sheet - couple of things jump out:

A reasonable year for the A330 and A350 with 45 and 22 sales respectively but it's nearly the end of the line for the A340

- the VS 6 have been cancelled as expected
- the backlog stands at 7 (5 A345 and 2 A346)
- A340 'sales' for this year were a net -7

2010 could be end of the line for this bird


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Interesting also what order's haven't been firmed yet. I can think of the VN A380s and the United A350 one

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6888 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6777 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 11):
Interesting also what order's haven't been firmed yet. I can think of the VN A380s and the United A350 one

It was never likely that these would be firmed up in 2009. In fact, I'm not expecting these to be firm before Farnborough.

The order from Finnair for two A330s is interesting. This came out of the blue, didn't it?


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6888 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

I've got to cook my wife dinner before I can crunch the numbers  Sad but this makes the A330 easily the best-selling widebody of 2009. (For what that's worth.)

User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

The A330 popularity isn't surprising. It's a wonderful plane that seems to have hit the sweet-spot in capability. And it is here and now, while the B787 is still some way off while the flight testing phase is completed.

User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6578 times:
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Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 10):
A reasonable year for the A330 and A350 with 45 and 22 sales respectively but it's nearly the end of the line for the A340

Text from Airbus site:
"The new orders include 228 A320 Family aircraft and 78 A330/A340/A350 XWB Family aircraft, and four new orders for the A380"

Is the interest for the A340 gone or there are any open deliverys?


User currently offlineWolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 487 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6314 times:

Congratulations to Airbus for consolidating their position as the No. 1 aircraft manufacturer in the world.

 bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6306 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 11):
Interesting also what order's haven't been firmed yet. I can think of the VN A380s and the United A350 one

IIRC the EK a330 order is not firm yet as well.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 10):
the backlog stands at 7 (5 A345 and 2 A346)

Too bad. These are lovely birds, to fly in and to look at. With the a350 approaching, chances are very slim that any more a340's will be sold.



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 11):
Interesting also what order's haven't been firmed yet. I can think of the VN A380s and the United A350 one

MH's order for 15 A330-300 doesn't seem to be firmed up yet either.

No indication about who ordered the 52 A320's in Nov.  Confused

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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10008 posts, RR: 96
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6172 times:
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Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 10):
A reasonable year for the A330 and A350 with 45 and 22 sales respectively but it's nearly the end of the line for the A340

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I make that 64 net widebody orders in the year.

Which for an airframer which was supposed to be out of the widebody market by now, doesn't seem too shabby  Wink

A reduction of only 220 in the backlog doesn't seem too bad in the current climate

And for the A330, 1057 orders in total, and a backlog of 394, down only 41 in the year

Quoting PM (Reply 13):
this makes the A330 easily the best-selling widebody of 2009. (For what that's worth.)

If you go back 4 years, that certainly wasn't on the radar.....  Smile

Rgds


User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5697 times:

Not firmed up:

Paramount Airways 10 x A321
Yemenia 10 x A320
Royal Nepal 1 x A320 1 x A330-200
Senegal AL 4 x A320 2 x A330-200

Did somebody hear something about South African Airways order in december for
5 x A320?

Ivo


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25165 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5217 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 11):
Interesting also what order's haven't been firmed yet. I can think of the VN A380s and the United A350 one

The United annoucement was not an "order" but an LOI. Contract negotiations have yet to be finalized, and are not expected to conclude till late Q1 or early Q2.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4145 posts, RR: 90
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5203 times:
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Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 10):
Looking at the updated sheet

In addition to the orders listed by Flying-Tiger there have also been several other changes to orders and conversions on the spreadsheet which include the following:

Cancellations;

1 x A330-200 Guggenheim Aviation Partners
1 x A330-200 Aircastle Advisors
6 X A340-600 Virgin Atlantic (as noted by you)

Conversions;

4 A330-200Fs to 4 A330-200s Aircastle Advisors
4 A330-200s to A330-300s AERCAP
1 A319 to A320 GECAS
3 A319s to 1 A321 and 2 A320s Aviation Capital Group
3 A319s to 3 A320s LAN (that is in addition to their order)

In addition the Chinese CASGC allocation of 40 A320 Family are now listed as follows

20 A320s to China Eastern
8 A320s to Spring Airlines
3 A319s, 6 A320s and 3 A321s to Sichuan Airlines.

Regards



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5154 times:



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 22):
Conversions;

4 A330-200Fs to 4 A330-200s Aircastle Advisors
4 A330-200s to A330-300s AERCAP
1 A319 to A320 GECAS
3 A319s to 1 A321 and 2 A320s Aviation Capital Group
3 A319s to 3 A320s LAN (that is in addition to their order)

Hmm. All in the direction of UP as far as size is concerned. So much for the smaller planes are going to take over thesis???


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6888 posts, RR: 63
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5056 times:

Interesting that very few of the leased A330Fs have yet been placed and a steady number of the orders placed in 2007 are trickling away as they are converted to pax. versions. Firm orders for the -F are now down to 39!  Wow!

25 Azncsa4qf744er : Thank you for clarifying! That was the answer I was expecting.
26 SpeedyGonzales : Why does the december spreadsheet still say 64?
27 PM : Because it is 64 and I had somehow clicked the North America tab when I read 39... Boy, do I feel stupid!
28 Manni : How does that compare to Boeing's net widebody intake?
29 Stitch : Boeing's total widebody net was -36 due mostly to 787 cancellations, though they did add a total of 23 new 747, 767 and 777 orders which is important
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