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Lufthansa Back To Baghdad Summer 2010  
User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11985 times:

Lufthansa announced today, 12/01, plans to fly to Baghdad and Erbil in Iraq from FRA and MUC, starting this summer.

The final decision depends on the Iraqi authorities and the speed of infrastructure improvements.

LH flew from 1956 untill the first gulfwar to Iraq.


Source: ( dutch only )

http://www.nu.nl/economie/2160568/lufthansa-wil-weer-irak-vliegen.html


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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11991 times:

And in English for the few members here who don't understand Dutch..  Smile

http://www.cisionwire.com/lufthansa-...t-leading-european-airline-to-iraq



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1662 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11936 times:

This will become the most popular route for crews I suppose......


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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11925 times:



Quoting DALCE (Reply 2):
This will become the most popular route for crews I suppose......

Will they stay overnight, or fly back as pax on the same plane? How does Austrian do this?



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineTFFIP From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11820 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 3):
Will they stay overnight, or fly back as pax on the same plane

When the rumours of BGW started at BMI it was assumed it would be a shuttle onto AMM or BEY. OS or LH I guess could do the same thing?


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11573 times:

Official Lufthansa press release :

http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-...tnews%5Bday%5D=12&cHash=7a6bca8d16



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10972 times:

Can we assume the US flights into MUC and FRA connect well to those new flights to Iraq? And how about tourisme? There are already a few touroperators offering packages in North Iraq. I can't wait to go there myself and relax in the once warzones.

In my opinion tourisme is very welcome to support the local population. What is the chance that European charter airlines will jump in?



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineAlwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10875 times:

Amazing KL 911..........7 posts in this thread..........and 5 were yours!
Sounds like you´re interested in a bronzy-ing holiday downtown Baghdad!

Quoting KL911 (Reply 6):

In my opinion tourisme is very welcome to support the local population. What is the chance that European charter airlines will jump in?

Hmm, it´s probably welcome, but who would go there though?
You have these people that take long hikes in the mountains (along borders) and they sometimes end up in jail. As far as I understand it (from the media) the cities aren´t much saver.

I think Iraq is still considered a very dangerous area, isn´t it?
Never been there...........and have no intention of going..........but I think the majority of people that go on charter holiday assess their destination on the media just the same.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
This will become the most popular route for crews I suppose......

Yep, especially with that DHL Airbus in mind!

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User currently offlineYp6370 From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10704 times:

Baghdad flights are planned to be operated as shuttle flights from AMM. So I guess this service is exclusively from FRA as there are no LH flights from MUC to AMM.
Erbil is possible as a daytrip for crews like OS does.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2227 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10455 times:

What planes are we likely to see to BGW?

LH's own metal or Privatair 738s?, Perhaps even a 333?



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User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9652 times:
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Quoting JoKeR (Reply 9):
What planes are we likely to see to BGW?

LH's own metal or Privatair 738s?, Perhaps even a 333?

I think they might start with a A321. Has good pax numbers and should fit the job nicely. AMM is served by a A321 and shows good preformance.



Zanair flight, please hold on finals as we have to clear rhino's off the runway. Next flight: AMS-FRA-AMS
User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9603 times:

Interesting.... Very interesting!

With this, Lufthansa would be serving every country in the Middle East with the exception of Syria and the Palestinian territories... I remember when LH used to serve both Damascus and Aleppo in Syria back in the 80s.

This makes LH quite the European powerhouse in the Arabic and Persian world with destinations to Cairo, Alexandria, Tripoli, Tunis, Algers, Casablanca, Amman, Beirut, Tel Aviv, Riyadh, Jeddah, Dammam, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Muscat, Kuwait, Doha, Bahrain, Sana'a, Tehran, ... And now Baghdad and Erbil.... All served with LH metal.

I would love to see service back to Damascus, Aleppo, Aden, and eventually Gaza just to complete the collection!

Cheers!


User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9569 times:



Quoting DALCA (Reply 10):
I think they might start with a A321. Has good pax numbers and should fit the job nicely. AMM is served by a A321 and shows good preformance.

Does the A321 have the necessary range?

I believe the Baghdad route may be served by A320 in the beginning before an upgrade in aircraft size. Erbil will surely see an A319 from Munich.


User currently offlineFlyyguyy From Greece, joined Jan 2010, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9542 times:

The flight for Baghdad will be from FRA using a A320 family aircraft flying via AMM so probably crew layover will be in AMM.

User currently offlineYP6370 From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9485 times:

As I understand it, no aircraft will be based in AMM. The plane which flies FRA-AMM continues to Baghdad. So that would most probably be an A321.

User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9323 times:
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Quoting Qazar (Reply 11):
I would love to see service back to Damascus, Aleppo, Aden, and eventually Gaza just to complete the collection!

I can see DAM coming back but Aleppo not. LH serve SAH quite well and I don't know if there is enough market to sustain 2 destinations in this country. Also most of LH's Gulf flights serve 2 destinations, except KWI and DXB, in 1 flight so there would have to be a reshuffling , again, of the the entire Gulf region flights.



Zanair flight, please hold on finals as we have to clear rhino's off the runway. Next flight: AMS-FRA-AMS
User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8715 times:



Quoting Qazar (Reply 11):
With this, Lufthansa would be serving every country in the Middle East with the exception of Syria and the Palestinian territories

Wrong, Palestine is not a recognized country. Btw, why doesn't LH fly to Syria? KL does, can't be that dangerous anymore.



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User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8311 times:



Quoting DALCA (Reply 15):
I can see DAM coming back but Aleppo not.

LH owned bmi fly daily to Damascus (one of my favourite layovers, and a city that is well worth visiting) from LHR. Twice weekly shuttle flights from DAM to Aleppo have recently been suspended, loads were always very low.


User currently offlineFlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7592 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 6):
In my opinion tourisme is very welcome to support the local population. What is the chance that European charter airlines will jump in?

Tourism is an extremely important factor in developing and maintaining peaceful relations as is commerce. Its development in Iraq would be fantastic.

I can't answer for the European charter airlines but I am guessing that for quite some time this will be the domain of adventure tour operators who would use seats on scheduled carriers.



...are we there yet?
User currently offlineAquariusHKG From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7500 times:



Quoting Qazar (Reply 11):

I would love to see service back to Damascus, Aleppo, Aden, and eventually Gaza just to complete the collection!

I don't think anyone can serve Gaza at the moment, right?


User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

Up until now we have only seen Middle Eastern Carriers return to Iraq, Royal Jordanian, Turkish, Gulf Air and possibly a few smaller Airlines.

I'm surprised to see a Continental European Airline opting to fly to Iraq so soon. Surely security will pose as a major problem. Any Western carrier, especially one with troupes serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, will become the target for fundamentalists and terrorist groups.

If I had reason to travel to Baghdad I would feel much safer on Gulf or Royal Jordanian.

Quoting Bwaflyer (Reply 17):
Damascus (one of my favourite layovers, and a city that is well worth visiting)



Quoting KL911 (Reply 16):
Btw, why doesn't LH fly to Syria? KL does, can't be that dangerous anymore.

I traveled around Syria earlier this year and found it to be a truly wonderful place. The locals were so kind and welcoming and the Cities were rich with History. I thoroughly enjoyed my time in both Aleppo and Damascus. It is a very safe Country to travel in and I highly recommend it.


User currently offlineCyba From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2005, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5763 times:



Quoting Qazar (Reply 12):
This makes LH quite the European powerhouse in the Arabic and Persian world with destinations to ....Alexandria...

Not any more they don't

Quoting Bwaflyer (Reply 17):
Btw, why doesn't LH fly to Syria? KL does, can't be that dangerous anymore.

Not any more they don't and haven't for quite some time. But you're right, it's not dangerous. Syria hasn't been dangerous for decades!


User currently offlineJfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5516 times:



Quoting AquariusHKG (Reply 19):

I would love to see service back to Damascus, Aleppo, Aden, and eventually Gaza just to complete the collection!

I don't think anyone can serve Gaza at the moment, right?

I am not sure that Gaza even has a operating airport, And when it had an operating airport for the period of 1998-2001, Only Egypt Air and Royal Jordanian operated the airport as feeder flights.

Quoting Qazar (Reply 11):
This makes LH quite the European powerhouse in the Arabic and Persian world with destinations to Cairo, Alexandria, Tripoli, Tunis, Algers, Casablanca, Amman, Beirut, Tel Aviv, Riyadh, Jeddah, Dammam, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Muscat, Kuwait, Doha, Bahrain, Sana'a, Tehran, ... And now Baghdad and Erbil.... All served with LH metal.

LH biggest market in the region is Tel Aviv flying two wide bodies from Frankfurt and Swiss flying one of two widebodies from Zurich and Geneva.



Quoting KL911 (Reply 16):
Quoting Qazar (Reply 11):
With this, Lufthansa would be serving every country in the Middle East with the exception of Syria and the Palestinian territories

Wrong, Palestine is not a recognized country. Btw, why doesn't LH fly to Syria? KL does, can't be that dangerous anymore.

I think this has a lot to do with Syria and Lebanon being Air France terriatory and Tel Aviv being Lufthansa territory. It is like asking why Air France and KLM do not fly wide body planes into Tel Aviv to compete with Lufthansa and Swiss and same goes vice a versa.


User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5444 times:



Quoting Cyba (Reply 21):
Quoting Qazar (Reply 12):
This makes LH quite the European powerhouse in the Arabic and Persian world with destinations to ....Alexandria...

Not any more they don't

Uhhhhh! When did LH pull out of Alexandria? This is terrible news to me!  eek 


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1640 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5193 times:



Quoting Qazar (Reply 11):
I would love to see service back to Damascus, Aleppo, Aden, and eventually Gaza just to complete the collection!

Perhaps ALP would one day be able to sustain a multi-weekly A320 service from FRA, but ADE very, very unlikely, even with an A320. Even MS doesn't fly there anymore, neither do the Gulf airlines. RJ operates only two weekly E95s there.

Quoting Qazar (Reply 23):
Uhhhhh! When did LH pull out of Alexandria? This is terrible news to me!

They pulled out in 2008 or 2009.


25 AviationMaster : Swiss does not operate GVA-TLV flights. They do however have two daily flights from Zurich. They are usually both operated by A330/340, but as of lat
26 Post contains links 777way : Thats why the poster called it Palestinan territories, because thats what its recognised as for the time being, there are Palestine ambassadors/embas
27 JetSetter629 : Isn't it part of the "axis of evil" according to the US Ah I'd love to spend time in that area of the Middle East - Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Turkey
28 KL911 : They are, but anyway, leave politics out of this please. Lets show the Arabs that we are civilized and can have normal discussions on this forum.
29 LTU932 : AFAIK BA used to operate flights to THR with the A321 at one point. Don't know if that's still the case now, or if they still fly to Iran, if they're
30 Skyhigh : I wonder if they will get the rights to pick up passengers flying between AMM and SDA. Royal Jordanian will not be too happy with this if they do.
31 LTU932 : I don't see why LH would be interessted in flying AMM-SDA with 5th Freedom Rights. For me, this route is probably lots of VFR and a heathy amount of
32 Flyingfool : Those former BMED flights are now operated by bmi as BD931/932 to/from IKA with A321 equipment. Mike
33 FlyinTLow : What I'm wondering about here is: Whenever I fly those AMM flights, they are packed already. I just don't see any room for PAX continuing to SDA. But
34 JU068 : Are the Iraqis in Germany? Could they count on them as well?
35 Fly2yyz : I'm thinking if an airline such as Safi Airways is able to fly FRA-KBL 3 times a week, then I'm most certainly sure that LH would be able to support
36 Post contains links KL911 : There are already flights between Germany and Iraq, especially for the Iraqi refugees and tourists. ( Yes, tourists also go there, I was in Bosnia in
37 A300 : Iran Air and Mahan Air have had flights to Iraq for over a year now. Interesting that they were omitted from the list of current services to that coun
38 MEA330 : MEA- Middle East Airlines started BEY-BGW service with a mix of A320/321 aircraft 2 month ago, and starting 14th JAN is operating to BGW on daily basi
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