KL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9828 times:
Can we assume the US flights into MUC and FRA connect well to those new flights to Iraq? And how about tourisme? There are already a few touroperators offering packages in North Iraq. I can't wait to go there myself and relax in the once warzones.
In my opinion tourisme is very welcome to support the local population. What is the chance that European charter airlines will jump in?
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Alwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9731 times:
Amazing KL 911..........7 posts in this thread..........and 5 were yours!
Sounds like you´re interested in a bronzy-ing holiday downtown Baghdad!
Quoting KL911 (Reply 6):
In my opinion tourisme is very welcome to support the local population. What is the chance that European charter airlines will jump in?
Hmm, it´s probably welcome, but who would go there though?
You have these people that take long hikes in the mountains (along borders) and they sometimes end up in jail. As far as I understand it (from the media) the cities aren´t much saver.
I think Iraq is still considered a very dangerous area, isn´t it?
Never been there...........and have no intention of going..........but I think the majority of people that go on charter holiday assess their destination on the media just the same.
Quoting KL911 (Reply 1): This will become the most popular route for crews I suppose......
Yep, especially with that DHL Airbus in mind!
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Yp6370 From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 188 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9560 times:
Baghdad flights are planned to be operated as shuttle flights from AMM. So I guess this service is exclusively from FRA as there are no LH flights from MUC to AMM.
Erbil is possible as a daytrip for crews like OS does.
Qazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8459 times:
Interesting.... Very interesting!
With this, Lufthansa would be serving every country in the Middle East with the exception of Syria and the Palestinian territories... I remember when LH used to serve both Damascus and Aleppo in Syria back in the 80s.
This makes LH quite the European powerhouse in the Arabic and Persian world with destinations to Cairo, Alexandria, Tripoli, Tunis, Algers, Casablanca, Amman, Beirut, Tel Aviv, Riyadh, Jeddah, Dammam, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Muscat, Kuwait, Doha, Bahrain, Sana'a, Tehran, ... And now Baghdad and Erbil.... All served with LH metal.
I would love to see service back to Damascus, Aleppo, Aden, and eventually Gaza just to complete the collection!
Qazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8425 times:
Quoting DALCA (Reply 10): I think they might start with a A321. Has good pax numbers and should fit the job nicely. AMM is served by a A321 and shows good preformance.
Does the A321 have the necessary range?
I believe the Baghdad route may be served by A320 in the beginning before an upgrade in aircraft size. Erbil will surely see an A319 from Munich.
DALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 455 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8179 times:
Quoting Qazar (Reply 11): I would love to see service back to Damascus, Aleppo, Aden, and eventually Gaza just to complete the collection!
I can see DAM coming back but Aleppo not. LH serve SAH quite well and I don't know if there is enough market to sustain 2 destinations in this country. Also most of LH's Gulf flights serve 2 destinations, except KWI and DXB, in 1 flight so there would have to be a reshuffling , again, of the the entire Gulf region flights.
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KL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7571 times:
Quoting Qazar (Reply 11): With this, Lufthansa would be serving every country in the Middle East with the exception of Syria and the Palestinian territories
Wrong, Palestine is not a recognized country. Btw, why doesn't LH fly to Syria? KL does, can't be that dangerous anymore.
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Bwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 675 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7167 times:
Quoting DALCA (Reply 15): I can see DAM coming back but Aleppo not.
LH owned bmi fly daily to Damascus (one of my favourite layovers, and a city that is well worth visiting) from LHR. Twice weekly shuttle flights from DAM to Aleppo have recently been suspended, loads were always very low.
FlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 721 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6448 times:
Quoting KL911 (Reply 6): In my opinion tourisme is very welcome to support the local population. What is the chance that European charter airlines will jump in?
Tourism is an extremely important factor in developing and maintaining peaceful relations as is commerce. Its development in Iraq would be fantastic.
I can't answer for the European charter airlines but I am guessing that for quite some time this will be the domain of adventure tour operators who would use seats on scheduled carriers.
Skyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 234 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6205 times:
Up until now we have only seen Middle Eastern Carriers return to Iraq, Royal Jordanian, Turkish, Gulf Air and possibly a few smaller Airlines.
I'm surprised to see a Continental European Airline opting to fly to Iraq so soon. Surely security will pose as a major problem. Any Western carrier, especially one with troupes serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, will become the target for fundamentalists and terrorist groups.
If I had reason to travel to Baghdad I would feel much safer on Gulf or Royal Jordanian.
Quoting Bwaflyer (Reply 17): Damascus (one of my favourite layovers, and a city that is well worth visiting)
Quoting KL911 (Reply 16): Btw, why doesn't LH fly to Syria? KL does, can't be that dangerous anymore.
I traveled around Syria earlier this year and found it to be a truly wonderful place. The locals were so kind and welcoming and the Cities were rich with History. I thoroughly enjoyed my time in both Aleppo and Damascus. It is a very safe Country to travel in and I highly recommend it.
Jfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 808 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4372 times:
Quoting AquariusHKG (Reply 19):
I would love to see service back to Damascus, Aleppo, Aden, and eventually Gaza just to complete the collection!
I don't think anyone can serve Gaza at the moment, right?
I am not sure that Gaza even has a operating airport, And when it had an operating airport for the period of 1998-2001, Only Egypt Air and Royal Jordanian operated the airport as feeder flights.
Quoting Qazar (Reply 11): This makes LH quite the European powerhouse in the Arabic and Persian world with destinations to Cairo, Alexandria, Tripoli, Tunis, Algers, Casablanca, Amman, Beirut, Tel Aviv, Riyadh, Jeddah, Dammam, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Muscat, Kuwait, Doha, Bahrain, Sana'a, Tehran, ... And now Baghdad and Erbil.... All served with LH metal.
LH biggest market in the region is Tel Aviv flying two wide bodies from Frankfurt and Swiss flying one of two widebodies from Zurich and Geneva.
Quoting KL911 (Reply 16): Quoting Qazar (Reply 11):
With this, Lufthansa would be serving every country in the Middle East with the exception of Syria and the Palestinian territories
Wrong, Palestine is not a recognized country. Btw, why doesn't LH fly to Syria? KL does, can't be that dangerous anymore.
I think this has a lot to do with Syria and Lebanon being Air France terriatory and Tel Aviv being Lufthansa territory. It is like asking why Air France and KLM do not fly wide body planes into Tel Aviv to compete with Lufthansa and Swiss and same goes vice a versa.
Qazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4300 times:
Quoting Cyba (Reply 21): Quoting Qazar (Reply 12):
This makes LH quite the European powerhouse in the Arabic and Persian world with destinations to ....Alexandria...
Not any more they don't
Uhhhhh! When did LH pull out of Alexandria? This is terrible news to me!
Directorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1569 posts, RR: 12 Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4049 times:
Quoting Qazar (Reply 11): I would love to see service back to Damascus, Aleppo, Aden, and eventually Gaza just to complete the collection!
Perhaps ALP would one day be able to sustain a multi-weekly A320 service from FRA, but ADE very, very unlikely, even with an A320. Even MS doesn't fly there anymore, neither do the Gulf airlines. RJ operates only two weekly E95s there.
Quoting Qazar (Reply 23): Uhhhhh! When did LH pull out of Alexandria? This is terrible news to me!
They pulled out in 2008 or 2009.
25 AviationMaster: Swiss does not operate GVA-TLV flights. They do however have two daily flights from Zurich. They are usually both operated by A330/340, but as of lat
26 777way: Thats why the poster called it Palestinan territories, because thats what its recognised as for the time being, there are Palestine ambassadors/embas
27 JetSetter629: Isn't it part of the "axis of evil" according to the US Ah I'd love to spend time in that area of the Middle East - Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Turkey
28 KL911: They are, but anyway, leave politics out of this please. Lets show the Arabs that we are civilized and can have normal discussions on this forum.
29 LTU932: AFAIK BA used to operate flights to THR with the A321 at one point. Don't know if that's still the case now, or if they still fly to Iran, if they're
30 Skyhigh: I wonder if they will get the rights to pick up passengers flying between AMM and SDA. Royal Jordanian will not be too happy with this if they do.
31 LTU932: I don't see why LH would be interessted in flying AMM-SDA with 5th Freedom Rights. For me, this route is probably lots of VFR and a heathy amount of
32 Flyingfool: Those former BMED flights are now operated by bmi as BD931/932 to/from IKA with A321 equipment. Mike
33 FlyinTLow: What I'm wondering about here is: Whenever I fly those AMM flights, they are packed already. I just don't see any room for PAX continuing to SDA. But
34 JU068: Are the Iraqis in Germany? Could they count on them as well?
35 Fly2yyz: I'm thinking if an airline such as Safi Airways is able to fly FRA-KBL 3 times a week, then I'm most certainly sure that LH would be able to support
36 KL911: There are already flights between Germany and Iraq, especially for the Iraqi refugees and tourists. ( Yes, tourists also go there, I was in Bosnia in
37 A300: Iran Air and Mahan Air have had flights to Iraq for over a year now. Interesting that they were omitted from the list of current services to that coun
38 MEA330: MEA- Middle East Airlines started BEY-BGW service with a mix of A320/321 aircraft 2 month ago, and starting 14th JAN is operating to BGW on daily basi
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