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SQ A380 Failed T/O At LHR 11Jan10  
User currently offlineOtnysaslhr From Spain, joined May 2007, 131 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20116 times:

I understand the A380 to SIN last night 11Jan had no 4 engine failure during take -off run and aborted take-off. Returned to ramp and passengers overnighted in LON.
Anyone know the reason for the failure and is this the first aborted T/O?
Rgds


oTny
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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19742 times:

I can find no reference to such an event at the usual channels. You'd think such an aircraft having such a problem would get a passing mention in the major news sites.

User currently offlineBirka340 From Denmark, joined Aug 2003, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19417 times:

According to www.singaporeair.com, section: Flight Status,

SQ321/11JAN opt by a A380 is delayed

STD 22:05 ETD18:00 12JAN
STA 18:45+1 ETA14:35+2

In status field it only says "Delayed".


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1795 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19218 times:

My flight from LHR to SIN was also delayed due to technical problem to the aircraft, 9V-SKJ. The flight wasnt able to leave until 1330 the next day, so they put us in the hotel which was quite nice of them. Apparently they have problems with the computer system linking to the wings (something like that) , which affects the take off. This happened on the 6th Jan 2009!


Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineOtnysaslhr From Spain, joined May 2007, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19194 times:



Quoting Glom (Reply 1):
I can find no reference to such an event at the usual channels. You'd think such an aircraft having such a problem would get a passing mention in the major news sites.

I got the information from my daughter's boss who was on the flight!



oTny
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19136 times:



Quoting Glom (Reply 1):
I can find no reference to such an event at the usual channels. You'd think such an aircraft having such a problem would get a passing mention in the major news sites.

With all the major delays, cancellations, passengers sleeping in airports etc. etc. due to the terrible weather in much of Europe for the past week or more, I don't think the media is going to pay any attention to one more cancelled/delayed flight, regardless of aircraft type.or reason.


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18348 times:



Quoting Glom (Reply 1):
You'd think such an aircraft having such a problem would get a passing mention in the major news sites.

Why ?. The A380 at LHR is nothing special any more with up to 4 per day visiting and an RTO is something that does happen from time to time on any a/c type so isn't really newsworthy, same as a go-around.

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18210 times:



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
Why ?. The A380 at LHR is nothing special any more with up to 4 per day visiting and an RTO is something that does happen from time to time on any a/c type so isn't really newsworthy, same as a go-around.

It would if it had occurred in Australia or it were QF  Wink



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18119 times:

The A380 isn't the glory bus that the airlines operating them will publicly pretend. Of course no airlines will publicly tell you exactly what they think. Many operators are enjoying better yields on the A380 due to the novelty factor.

What is worrying is the poor operational record. I am not talking about push back rates from the gate. A large % of flights are not making their arrival time due to technical issues. These are not major tech issues but often very annoying minor issues that are still grounding flights.

New planes often have gremlins but the long delay into service after the production delay should have eradicated many of these problems

Some are suggesting that the upgraded 2012 A380 will be a bit like the 747B. ie. what it should have been OR as somebody famous said "never buy the A model"



http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...bo-bugs-haunting-a380-flights.html

Fair use extract

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...bo-bugs-haunting-a380-flights.html

Airbus SAS and airlines that fly its A380 superjumbo are working to eradicate technical bugs that dogged the jet in recent months and threaten to hurt the appeal of the world's largest passenger plane.



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineFcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16978 times:

The SQ A380 was sitting on the remote stands at LHR all day Tuesday

User currently offlineGrh1967 From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16044 times:

I was lucky enough to supervise the inagural SQ380 flight ex Sydney a few years ago & I have been lucky enough to supervise the check in of well over one hundred A380 flights since then. I will also be working the A380 flight on Feb01 this year when SYDSQ finally says goodbye the the B744.

I have had to work a few major delays on the 380 in that time , as I have on the B744 and B773 aircraft, but overall we have had very few major delays on this aircraft in Sydney. I remember how we all used to hold our breath when we initially had only the one aircraft (9VSKA) & it was a 110minute turnaround SQ221/220, but we did it daily, & ironically the first major A380 delay we had was due to the failure of the pushback equipment, & not the aircraft itself.

In the two years plus that we have been operating the aircraft it has proved itself to be a favourite with our passengers, regardless of class, & it attracts a lot of repeat business not just because of the novelty value, but also because it is such a beautiful & quiet aircraft to fly on.

I'm still incredibly proud when I go to the aircraft two or three times a week to dispatch it, & if I do have a delay it really is handled no differently than any other delay we have, it just involves a lot more people!


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1795 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14681 times:

Despite the 12 hrs delayed that I had with SQ, their service definitely makes up for it ! Every new aircraft will have their fair share of problems, and some more A380 is a very complicated and advance aircraft. I still prefer to fly on A380 than any 777s anyday, its more comfortable and walking space on board. Hopefully Airbus gets it right soon.


Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5576 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12936 times:



Quoting 9V-SVC (Reply 11):
Despite the 12 hrs delayed that I had with SQ, their service definitely makes up for it !

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Last year after transferring at SIN for our SYD flight the aircraft had to return to the stand with an engine problem. As passengers disembarked we were given vouchers for dinner and printed leaflets outlining the fault and apologising for the delay. Rather than keep us till the fault was fixed, we were transferred to another A380 (which I think was operating a LHR flight) and were on our way again within a couple of hours, and as we boarded all passengers were presented with a leather passport cover.

While you don't expect airlines to give you anything for nothing (unless they have to), the printed leaflet was great PR.


User currently offlineA380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1091 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12718 times:



Quoting Grh1967 (Reply 10):
I was lucky enough to supervise the inagural SQ380 flight ex Sydney a few years ago & I have been lucky enough to supervise the check in of well over one hundred A380 flights since then.

Now this will silence a few comments from the usual A380 bashers. Way to go!


User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11629 times:

When I read the title "A380 failed to takeoff" I thought we had our first A380 crash... "Aborted" takeoff would have been better.


"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10743 times:

Wow - how many 747's abort take off and are not mentioned here? Gee, have any A340's ever aborted a take off? This is silly to be talking about this - planes have mechanicals - Boeing's, Airbus', Hawkers, Citations, IL-76's - I mean come on should we just start a string for mechanicals? That would be really interesting.

BP1



"First To Fly The A-380" / 26 October 2007 SYD-SIN Inaugural
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10339 times:



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 12):
Last year after transferring at SIN for our SYD flight the aircraft had to return to the stand with an engine problem. As passengers disembarked we were given vouchers for dinner and printed leaflets outlining the fault and apologising for the delay. Rather than keep us till the fault was fixed, we were transferred to another A380 (which I think was operating a LHR flight) and were on our way again within a couple of hours, and as we boarded all passengers were presented with a leather passport cover.

I would expect nothing less from SQ

Quoting BP1 (Reply 15):
I mean come on should we just start a string for mechanicals? That would be really interesting.

It would and a great idea.....also start a TSA missed this XXXXX in somone carryone's thread too.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9147 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 8):
The A380 isn't the glory bus that the airlines operating them will publicly pretend. Of course no airlines will publicly tell you exactly what they think. Many operators are enjoying better yields on the A380 due to the novelty factor.

It is just me, or do I seem to notice contradiction in this paragraph?



It's huaiwei...not huawei. I have nothing to do with the PRC! :)
User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8911 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 8):
The A380 isn't the glory bus that the airlines operating them will publicly pretend

Just gotten off my first A380 flight today with EK. The crew at the bar joked that with the initial ops it was nicknamed the 180!

In saying that, from the passenger perspective the A380 is an extraordinary aircraft. It is just so far ahead of all the other current widebodies (from both A & B stables) in terms of cabin noise level, comfort during maneuvers, in cruise smoothness and cabin climate. I was quite taken aback by the experience and will seek out this plane on my future travels.

The post story is a non newser....how many other RTO's were there on the 11th throughout the world?



L1011 - P F M
User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7423 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 8):
What is worrying is the poor operational record. I am not talking about push back rates from the gate. A large % of flights are not making their arrival time due to technical issues.

2 days ago the Director of SQ for France was interviewed on a radio channel. He said that for over 400 SQ380 flights from Paris to SIN they had:
- 2 failures (I guess he meant a cancelled flight),
- 3 important delays.

I have no idea if this is considered as a poor operational record in the airline industry, but the ratio is quite similar to the percentage of the flights I took and which were disrupted due to an aircraft failure. At least for delays for which the reason was clearly identified. Some other disruptions were probably also aircraft related, but as they were only announced as "late arrival of the aircraft", I can not be sure.



Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7312 times:



Quoting TGV (Reply 19):
- 3 important delays.

What exactly is an "important delay"...? And after someone answers that they can tell me what an "unimportant delay" is too!



"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
User currently offlineOtnySASLHR From Spain, joined May 2007, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7034 times:



Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 14):
When I read the title "A380 failed to takeoff" I thought we had our first A380 crash... "Aborted" takeoff would have been better.

I'm sorry, on reflection you're right, although I think "aborted" is a horrible word.

However, my intention in startting this thread was to try and find out what the cause of the engine "failure" (or shut down) might be, just out of curiosity.
My daughter's boss, who travels almost exclusively BA Business class, was rebooked to this flt after his BA was canx, after she persuaded him to try SQ for a change, on the grounds that it would be an A380 and SQ's service is legendary.
Rgds Tony



oTny
User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2138 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6870 times:



Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 20):
What exactly is an "important delay"...? And after someone answers that they can tell me what an "unimportant delay" is too!

In French, "retard important" means "significant delay". It's just a poor translation; you can't expect everyone on a.net to be as fluent in English as you are.


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 972 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6811 times:



Quoting Grh1967 (Reply 10):
I have had to work a few major delays on the 380 in that time , as I have on the B744 and B773 aircraft, but overall we have had very few major delays on this aircraft in Sydney.

This is finally a valid input from a qualified person, rather than all the arm chair CEOs who know everything about the A380 better.... Thanks for this, Grh1967!

By the way, yesterday I was on board ZK-NGR (B 737-300) at WLG for our flight back to AKL. Still on the ground and at the gate, the captain stood in front of the cabin, informing us that he noticed a leak in the hydraulics of the left main landing gear, and that an engineer is on his way. Immediately the FAs served water, and only 10 minutes later the captain came on again, said it is a major job and asked us to deplane and go to the service counter... SARCASM ON/ Now, all those technical problems with the B 737-300 make it such a bad and unreliable aircraft. Airlines have major problems with it and tons of delays! They are unhappy with the B 737-300! /SARCASM OFF

btw: We were on the next flight just an hour later, and I even made my meeting in AKL...

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4593 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6649 times:
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Quoting A380900 (Reply 13):
Quoting Grh1967 (Reply 10):
I was lucky enough to supervise the inaugural SQ380 flight ex Sydney a few years ago & I have been lucky enough to supervise the check in of well over one hundred A380 flights since then.

Now this will silence a few comments from the usual A380 bashers. Way to go!

It should silence them, but so far real world arguments did not bring the bashers to change their mind about this fabulous plane. I doubt this report, even if it is coming from a first hand experienced poster, will change the bashers minds.  Sad

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 8):
What is worrying is the poor operational record. I am not talking about push back rates from the gate. A large % of flights are not making their arrival time due to technical issues

That is highly exaggerated.  Sad

Quoting TGV (Reply 19):
2 days ago the Director of SQ for France was interviewed on a radio channel. He said that for over 400 SQ380 flights from Paris to SIN they had:
- 2 failures (I guess he meant a canceled flight),
- 3 important delays.

These numbers, and the numbers posted by Grh1967 give a much more reliable and truthful picture.  Wink


25 0NEWAIR0 : I would never expect such a thing.
26 TGV : Sorry for the mistake, had a long day in the office. My English is usually not too bad, but I came back from HKG mid december and since then I have s
27 0NEWAIR0 : No problem on your part... you were just relaying what someone said. I just thought, from what you wrote, that the SQ guy actually said "important de
28 TGV : The SQ guy indeed said "important" delay, but he was speaking French, so WingedMigrator's comment is perfectly right. Now, as a frequent traveller, I
29 TheCommodore : My personal experience with the A380 is that it is an exceptional aircraft and clearly a step gain in aviation technology. The passenger comfort level
30 Swiftski : "Aborted" is the correct technical term.
31 Maxter : And the silence from the detractors is deafening... As expected.
32 TristarSteve : To get back to the original question. The SQ A380 is in the BA Hangars at LHR having an engine change this morning.
33 Fcogafa : RTO's are very unusual, much more so than go arounds,I assure you. By percentages, it seems that the few A380 's have more regular technical problems
34 Swiftski : Lets see those figures then. What's your opinion on the Virgin Blue problem at Adelaide earlier this week? Oh wait, you won't have an opinion on it,
35 Fcogafa : but there are thousands of B737's, there are about 20 A380's.....
36 AustrianZRH : If that's true (and coming from an SQ speaker, he should know), that would be issues in 1.25% of the flights or a dispatch relilability of 98.75%. Ho
37 Seabosdca : Is a 20-minute delay "important?" I don't think many customers would think so.
38 Baroque : Sticking with the original translation - there is often a lot of truth in imperfect translations - when I was on a QF A380 (QF31) the departure from
39 Post contains links ElbowRoom : From Airbus, in yesterday's ATW Online: ""We had 10,000 A380 commercial flights. Each time there is a technical problem with the aircraft it's a big
40 Panman : Well I work on both the B747 and the A380 and I conciously try to avoid having anything to do with A380. Don't get me wrong. When it works, it works w
41 Marcus : Panman please elaborate on the experiences you mention.....
42 Sxmarbury33 : HAHAHA, this is not something I would want to hear as a passenger. Does anyone else think this might be a little too much information for the passeng
43 Panman : No........
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