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United Returns To Anchorage  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33276 posts, RR: 71
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7783 times:

Loaded into GDS today.

Chicago-Anchorage begins May 22nd as Saturday only, goes to daily during peak summer.

Daily Denver-Anchorage and daily San Francisco-Anchorage begin June 9th.

All routes are seasonal and Chicago last the longest, through the end of September.


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6671 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7769 times:

Good news! Nice to see UA back to ANC! Seasonal flights make sense.

The777Man



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5944 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7713 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
Seasonal flights make sense.

Not really. Have you ever tried to get in/out of here during the Christmas/New Year's season? It's a madhouse.
Continental sustains a daily 757-300 and 737-800 year round, and adds seasonal frequencies.
Delta does a daily 752 to SLC, a daily 752 to MSP, and seasonal 752/753 to DTW/MSP.
US does a year round 319 to PHOENIX, of all places.
Nevermind Alaska's flights.

I never understood why, in the past four years, United keeps coming and going, laying off and hiring. When I first moved here, they had over SIXTY employees. They're all gone now. And yet, here comes United, back into the Anchorage foray.

Now that CO is in *A, I wish United would stick around all year, to give me more options. Especially as I avoid US like the plague (personal opinion).

I'm glad they're back, but the seasonal bit annoys me.

One last thought:
WHERE on EARTH are they going to park!?!? The B terminal was overcrowded this Christmas, with Continental using the typical B5 and also a B gate (9?) that currently is unassigned.
There are other B gates (aside from US, CO, Shared Services and Delta, I mean), but they don't have jetbridges.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3133 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7639 times:

Good move for UA - ANC is a high yield, relatively low-competition market. The costs of operating the station on their own were probably quite high - perhaps some synergy with CO could lower the costs? Will UA bring back their own staff, or handle the flights with CO (or another carrier's staff)?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33276 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7615 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 3):
Good move for UA - ANC is a high yield, relatively low-competition market.

Three airlines are flying ANC-ORD this summer. That's not what I would consider low-competition.



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User currently offlineCyberual From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7563 times:

Hopefully mainline employees will be recall to ANC.

User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7448 times:



Quoting Cyberual (Reply 5):
Hopefully mainline employees will be recall to ANC.



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
All routes are seasonal and Chicago last the longest, through the end of September.

Nope...the seasonal means that UA can vendor out the ground handling if it wishes under current union contracts.


User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7348 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
I never understood why, in the past four years, United keeps coming and going, laying off and hiring. When I first moved here, they had over SIXTY employees. They're all gone now. And yet, here comes United, back into the Anchorage foray.



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 6):
Nope...the seasonal means that UA can vendor out the ground handling if it wishes under current union contracts.

Elimination of bloated overhead = reason for long absence and seasonal return.


User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7319 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
Not really. Have you ever tried to get in/out of here during the Christmas/New Year's season? It's a madhouse.
Continental sustains a daily 757-300 and 737-800 year round, and adds seasonal frequencies.
Delta does a daily 752 to SLC, a daily 752 to MSP, and seasonal 752/753 to DTW/MSP.
US does a year round 319 to PHOENIX, of all places.
Nevermind Alaska's flights.

because Alaskans wont support the others. they continue on with AS to get their precious miles, and build their lives and their business travel around AS, and this is the result--no winter services from others when demand is low.


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7016 times:



Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 8):
they continue on with AS to get their precious miles, and build their lives and their business travel around AS,

Truly...what is wrong with this?

People in DEN Support F9, at IAH, they support CO, MIA...AA etc etc



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6843 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Three airlines are flying ANC-ORD this summer. That's not what I would consider low-competition.

For a hub the size of ORD and a catchment area the size of Chicago, it's pretty low. You also have to consider the total number of cities connected to ANC which is equaly low.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26132 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

Here is the schedule.

Eff June 9-August 30
Daily
UA701 DEN-ANC 1810-2145 A319
UA894 ANC-DEN 2350-0657 A319

Daily
UA806 SFO-ANC 1550-1932 B757
UA565 ANC-SFO 1415-2001 B757

Daily
UA431 ORD-ANC 0945-1317 B757
UA498 ANC-ORD 2022-0510 B757

Sat Only May 22-June 5 & September 4-September 25
UA855 ORD-ANC 1500-1823 B757
UA884 ANC-ORD 2015-0507 B757

Sat Only June 12-August 28.
UA855 ORD-ANC 1700-2032 B757
UA884 ANC-ORD 2200-0658 B757



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

Thank the Lord  Big grin

Though... seriously, United?! 757's everwhere else except DEN.  irked 


User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6621 times:

Would have expected UA to choose those flight times from / to ORD that offer connections from Europe thru ORD to ANC, as they did in the past... (leaving late afternoon from ORD, return next morning around 7 AM to connect to the afternoon bank to Europe from ORD). But unfortunately the schedule posted above does not allow for easy (short) connections to/from Europe...


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User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6362 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 9):
Truly...what is wrong with this?

People in DEN Support F9, at IAH, they support CO, MIA...AA etc etc

What is wrong---Then don't complain about other airlines not wanting to service the market in the downtime.
People in Dallas support WN and AA and others, but in Alaska, they support AS.
Reactionary AS will push most others out of the market by "giving hedeous amounts of miles"
to keep them from using other airlines.

It would really be interesting to see what the Seattle bleed to YVR would be if WestJet started YVR-ANC service. (bu then AS through QX would proably offer 15 times the mileage to connect through sea)


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5538 times:



Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 14):
Reactionary AS will push most others out of the market by "giving hedeous amounts of miles"
to keep them from using other airlines.

And what, again, is wrong with that??

If UA or AA wanted to serve the market year-round, they would also give "hideous amounts of miles" to take away traffic from AS. Two can play at that game, obviously, I don't know why you think it is a tactic used by only AS.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26793 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

Finally. They were idiots to pull out in the first place. Indeed, they should have expanded and competed with AS on LAX-ANC.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26132 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5139 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
They were idiots to pull out in the first place

When you have a market that has zero chance of profitability due large cost burdens they were quite right to pull the plug. ANC was in a similar boat as AKL, GUA, SAL etc.

Instead now they have the opportunity to take advantage of a peak travel period, without year-round cost or revenue worries.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5083 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
WHERE on EARTH are they going to park!?!?

They could just overflow to the international terminal. I'd assume it's pretty empty since CI's the only carrier that actually uses that terminal on a non-seasonal basis.



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User currently offlineCoopdogyo From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 14):
It would really be interesting to see what the Seattle bleed to YVR would be if WestJet started YVR-ANC service. (bu then AS through QX would proably offer 15 times the mileage to connect through sea)

I doubt there would be much or any bleed even if AS and QX don't offer anymore miles. Unless you are willing to fly to YVR you are in for a 4 hour drive from Seattle to the border plus waiting for an hour or so to get into Canada. If you did choose to fly to YVR you are in for a ride of on AC for most people flying two different airlines and connecting in another country doesn't sound appealing to most people when there is a direct flight. For others connecting through SEA why would they go through Canada when they could stay in the US. Thats why I believe there would be little or no Seattle bleed unless someone else launched Seattle to ANC but even then the loyalty to Alaska is so strong that is would probably not last long.

[Edited 2010-01-13 17:35:41 by coopdogyo]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26793 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4550 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):

When you have a market that has zero chance of profitability due large cost burdens they were quite right to pull the plug. ANC was in a similar boat as AKL, GUA, SAL etc.

Its a very different situation, especially compared to AKL



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4521 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):



Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
Finally. They were idiots to pull out in the first place. Indeed, they should have expanded and competed with AS on LAX-ANC.

Not only LAX-ANC but also SFO and ORD-ANC. AS has relatively new 738, but for a long flight like that no entertainment or even music is a bore....or has that changed since I went with them to ANC a couple of year ago?


User currently offlineCoopdogyo From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 21):
Not only LAX-ANC but also SFO and ORD-ANC. AS has relatively new 738, but for a long flight like that no entertainment or even music is a bore....or has that changed since I went with them to ANC a couple of year ago?

Unless you rent a digiplayer for between 4 and 8 dollars there is no entertainment. I guess if you are on a plane with WiFi you have some entertainment. However hardly any planes have it.

[Edited 2010-01-13 20:34:00 by coopdogyo]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26132 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3655 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Its a very different situation, especially compared to AKL

You're obviously not fully aware about the facility and staff burdens United was carrying keeping ANC open, similar to the other listed cities.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAvrich From New Zealand, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3552 times:



Quoting Coopdogyo (Reply 22):
Unless you rent a digiplayer for between 4 and 8 dollars there is no entertainment. I guess if you are on a plane with WiFi you have some entertainment. However hardly any planes have it.

Take a book.



"Time....the fighter pilots enemy" Flt Lt CJW Roscoe Tanner 1962-1991
25 SurfandSnow : Makes perfect sense...UA has had a rather strong presence in ANC for quite some time, and with its hubs at ORD, DEN, and SFO stronger than ever (at le
26 N1120A : I am aware of the large staff they kept there, which was the really stupid thing in the first place.
27 GlobalCabotage : Alaska (in general) is very seasonal for most of the lower 48. There will always be demand (to SEA) during the off-season, but AS has a good thing goi
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