The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6082 posts, RR: 56 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6795 times:
Good news! Nice to see UA back to ANC! Seasonal flights make sense.
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AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5338 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6739 times:
Not really. Have you ever tried to get in/out of here during the Christmas/New Year's season? It's a madhouse.
Continental sustains a daily 757-300 and 737-800 year round, and adds seasonal frequencies.
Delta does a daily 752 to SLC, a daily 752 to MSP, and seasonal 752/753 to DTW/MSP.
US does a year round 319 to PHOENIX, of all places.
Nevermind Alaska's flights.
I never understood why, in the past four years, United keeps coming and going, laying off and hiring. When I first moved here, they had over SIXTY employees. They're all gone now. And yet, here comes United, back into the Anchorage foray.
Now that CO is in *A, I wish United would stick around all year, to give me more options. Especially as I avoid US like the plague (personal opinion).
I'm glad they're back, but the seasonal bit annoys me.
One last thought:
WHERE on EARTH are they going to park!?!? The B terminal was overcrowded this Christmas, with Continental using the typical B5 and also a B gate (9?) that currently is unassigned.
There are other B gates (aside from US, CO, Shared Services and Delta, I mean), but they don't have jetbridges.
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3014 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6665 times:
Good move for UA - ANC is a high yield, relatively low-competition market. The costs of operating the station on their own were probably quite high - perhaps some synergy with CO could lower the costs? Will UA bring back their own staff, or handle the flights with CO (or another carrier's staff)?
Cyberual From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6589 times:
Hopefully mainline employees will be recall to ANC.
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6474 times:
Quoting Cyberual (Reply 5): Hopefully mainline employees will be recall to ANC.
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter): All routes are seasonal and Chicago last the longest, through the end of September.
Nope...the seasonal means that UA can vendor out the ground handling if it wishes under current union contracts.
Sxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6374 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2): I never understood why, in the past four years, United keeps coming and going, laying off and hiring. When I first moved here, they had over SIXTY employees. They're all gone now. And yet, here comes United, back into the Anchorage foray.
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 6): Nope...the seasonal means that UA can vendor out the ground handling if it wishes under current union contracts.
Elimination of bloated overhead = reason for long absence and seasonal return.
Ridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 912 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6345 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2): Not really. Have you ever tried to get in/out of here during the Christmas/New Year's season? It's a madhouse.
Continental sustains a daily 757-300 and 737-800 year round, and adds seasonal frequencies.
Delta does a daily 752 to SLC, a daily 752 to MSP, and seasonal 752/753 to DTW/MSP.
US does a year round 319 to PHOENIX, of all places.
Nevermind Alaska's flights.
because Alaskans wont support the others. they continue on with AS to get their precious miles, and build their lives and their business travel around AS, and this is the result--no winter services from others when demand is low.
Yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5159 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6042 times:
Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 8): they continue on with AS to get their precious miles, and build their lives and their business travel around AS,
Truly...what is wrong with this?
People in DEN Support F9, at IAH, they support CO, MIA...AA etc etc
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6873 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5869 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4): Three airlines are flying ANC-ORD this summer. That's not what I would consider low-competition.
For a hub the size of ORD and a catchment area the size of Chicago, it's pretty low. You also have to consider the total number of cities connected to ANC which is equaly low.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22029 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5863 times:
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5655 times:
Thank the Lord
Though... seriously, United?! 757's everwhere else except DEN.
AJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 575 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5647 times:
Would have expected UA to choose those flight times from / to ORD that offer connections from Europe thru ORD to ANC, as they did in the past... (leaving late afternoon from ORD, return next morning around 7 AM to connect to the afternoon bank to Europe from ORD). But unfortunately the schedule posted above does not allow for easy (short) connections to/from Europe...
Ridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 912 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5388 times:
People in DEN Support F9, at IAH, they support CO, MIA...AA etc etc
What is wrong---Then don't complain about other airlines not wanting to service the market in the downtime.
People in Dallas support WN and AA and others, but in Alaska, they support AS.
Reactionary AS will push most others out of the market by "giving hedeous amounts of miles"
to keep them from using other airlines.
It would really be interesting to see what the Seattle bleed to YVR would be if WestJet started YVR-ANC service. (bu then AS through QX would proably offer 15 times the mileage to connect through sea)
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4564 times:
Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 14): Reactionary AS will push most others out of the market by "giving hedeous amounts of miles"
to keep them from using other airlines.
And what, again, is wrong with that??
If UA or AA wanted to serve the market year-round, they would also give "hideous amounts of miles" to take away traffic from AS. Two can play at that game, obviously, I don't know why you think it is a tactic used by only AS.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22029 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4165 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 16): They were idiots to pull out in the first place
When you have a market that has zero chance of profitability due large cost burdens they were quite right to pull the plug. ANC was in a similar boat as AKL, GUA, SAL etc.
Instead now they have the opportunity to take advantage of a peak travel period, without year-round cost or revenue worries.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Anonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 561 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4109 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2): WHERE on EARTH are they going to park!?!?
They could just overflow to the international terminal. I'd assume it's pretty empty since CI's the only carrier that actually uses that terminal on a non-seasonal basis.
Coopdogyo From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3760 times:
Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 14): It would really be interesting to see what the Seattle bleed to YVR would be if WestJet started YVR-ANC service. (bu then AS through QX would proably offer 15 times the mileage to connect through sea)
I doubt there would be much or any bleed even if AS and QX don't offer anymore miles. Unless you are willing to fly to YVR you are in for a 4 hour drive from Seattle to the border plus waiting for an hour or so to get into Canada. If you did choose to fly to YVR you are in for a ride of on AC for most people flying two different airlines and connecting in another country doesn't sound appealing to most people when there is a direct flight. For others connecting through SEA why would they go through Canada when they could stay in the US. Thats why I believe there would be little or no Seattle bleed unless someone else launched Seattle to ANC but even then the loyalty to Alaska is so strong that is would probably not last long.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3576 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
When you have a market that has zero chance of profitability due large cost burdens they were quite right to pull the plug. ANC was in a similar boat as AKL, GUA, SAL etc.
Its a very different situation, especially compared to AKL
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WROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 811 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3547 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 16): Finally. They were idiots to pull out in the first place. Indeed, they should have expanded and competed with AS on LAX-ANC.
Not only LAX-ANC but also SFO and ORD-ANC. AS has relatively new 738, but for a long flight like that no entertainment or even music is a bore....or has that changed since I went with them to ANC a couple of year ago?
Coopdogyo From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2861 times:
Quoting WROORD (Reply 21): Not only LAX-ANC but also SFO and ORD-ANC. AS has relatively new 738, but for a long flight like that no entertainment or even music is a bore....or has that changed since I went with them to ANC a couple of year ago?
Unless you rent a digiplayer for between 4 and 8 dollars there is no entertainment. I guess if you are on a plane with WiFi you have some entertainment. However hardly any planes have it.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22029 posts, RR: 51 Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2681 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 20): Its a very different situation, especially compared to AKL
You're obviously not fully aware about the facility and staff burdens United was carrying keeping ANC open, similar to the other listed cities.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Avrich From New Zealand, joined Apr 2009, 62 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2578 times:
Quoting Coopdogyo (Reply 22): Unless you rent a digiplayer for between 4 and 8 dollars there is no entertainment. I guess if you are on a plane with WiFi you have some entertainment. However hardly any planes have it.
Take a book.
"Time....the fighter pilots enemy" Flt Lt CJW Roscoe Tanner 1962-1991
25 SurfandSnow: Makes perfect sense...UA has had a rather strong presence in ANC for quite some time, and with its hubs at ORD, DEN, and SFO stronger than ever (at le
26 N1120A: I am aware of the large staff they kept there, which was the really stupid thing in the first place.
27 GlobalCabotage: Alaska (in general) is very seasonal for most of the lower 48. There will always be demand (to SEA) during the off-season, but AS has a good thing goi
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