MAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2916 posts, RR: 6 Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3499 times:
Despite its misfortunes since its opening in 1998, Kuala Lumpur International Airport has announced expansion works with the commencement of the construction of a new Low-Cost Terminal (LCCT) located adjacent to the current Main Terminal Building.
The project which was unveiled at the end of 2009, also includes the construction of a third parallel runway and new parking aprons for the LCCT with aerobridges.
This news has been most welcomed by users and operators at KUL who have found the current LCCT located across the airfield (by the current Cargo Terminal) a real challenge both with regards to access and connections with the Main Airport. The design for the LCCT (sorry i don't have any pics for copyright reasons) also looks quite striking and the whole project is estimated to cost RM2billion. (GBP1=RM5.40)
The KLIA Express train service will also be extended to serve the new LCCT after making a brief stop at the current Main Terminal Building.
AirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 1906 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3397 times:
The relocated LCCT will make things a lot easier, as it's a poor connection between the 2 at the moment, though wasn't the point of the basic remote temrinal to keep costs down, and keep it separate? It's akin to LHR and LTN being completely separate 'airports' but using the same runways
The KLIA is relatively expensive too, so I wonder how many of the LCC users would actually use it?
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Airpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 934 posts, RR: 37 Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3318 times:
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 2): The KLIA is relatively expensive too, so I wonder how many of the LCC users would actually use it?
Not really a relevant issue. The new terminal and accompanying runway are basically for AirAsia's use - but built using public money. Whatever AirAsia wants it gets these days in Malaysia.
Ammunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1064 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3229 times:
Air Asia apparantly deferred delivery of A320 aircraft due to infrastructure issues at KUL, it seems as though they got their way in the end both ways, infrastructure issues (or as i see it- lack of available finance for new aircraft) so defer, and pressure on KUL to build for medium term when markets should improve.
This is good for KUL and good for the region, I love flying Air Asia when in Asia! not so much outside of it.
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Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 2):
The KLIA is relatively expensive too, so I wonder how many of the LCC users would actually use it?
Not quite so. It is among the airports with the lowest fee in this region.
Sorry, I meant the KLIA express train, which is relatively expensive for LCC users.
Quoting MAS777 (Thread starter): The project which was unveiled at the end of 2009, also includes the construction of a third parallel runway and new parking aprons for the LCCT with aerobridges.
LCC in Europe tend not to use airbridges to save money. FR is very against the new runway at STN, again, becuase it sees it pushing up fees. Someone has to pay for this infrastructure, and the Malaysian government doesn't have unlimited funds?
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9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2099 posts, RR: 21 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3013 times:
Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 3): Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 2):
The KLIA is relatively expensive too, so I wonder how many of the LCC users would actually use it?
Not quite so. It is among the airports with the lowest fee in this region.
Yes it is, which explains why KUL managed to get some very 'exotic' airlines like Iran Air, Air Zimbabwe, Air Niugini, Air Astana and Uzbekistan Airways.
Quoting Airpearl (Reply 4): Not really a relevant issue. The new terminal and accompanying runway are basically for AirAsia's use - but built using public money. Whatever AirAsia wants it gets these days in Malaysia.
Well, at least they once lobbied to build an airport on their own, right next to KUL. Whether it is for real, an Oscar winning act or a reverse psychology, they get what they want in the end. AirAsia did participate in the tender to build the terminal of the new LCCT as well, but I heard they lost.
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 6): Sorry, I meant the KLIA express train, which is relatively expensive for LCC users.
It was mentioned that the existing KLIA track will be extended for just another 2 kilometer to reach the new LCCT. At the moment, the KLIA Express does provide an option for LCCT users. They operate a train + bus services (KL Sentral to Salak Tinggi then continuing on a bus to the LCCT) for MYR 12.50 per passenger, only MYR 3 more than what the red Skybuses charge for a one way journey from KL Sentral to the LCCT.
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 6): Quoting MAS777 (Thread starter):
The project which was unveiled at the end of 2009, also includes the construction of a third parallel runway and new parking aprons for the LCCT with aerobridges.
LCC in Europe tend not to use airbridges to save money. FR is very against the new runway at STN, again, becuase it sees it pushing up fees.
The absent of aerobridge in the LCCT has caused AirAsia a lot of bad rep in Malaysia, a tropical climate country with intermitten rain all year long. It is speculated as well that probably those aerobridges are for the usage of AirAsia X, which operates an all widebody aircrafts.
MillwallSean From Brunei, joined Apr 2008, 1115 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2830 times:
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 2): The KLIA is relatively expensive too, so I wonder how many of the LCC users would actually use it?
It is expensive for many Malaysians.
But with Air Asia today being large enough to serve every kind of passengercategory, the option of taking KL airport train instead of a RM75, 45 minute taxi (if no jam) is a good one for many passengers.
Air Asia has really missed the railconnection at its present terminal.
Ryanair!!! From Singapore, joined Mar 2002, 4652 posts, RR: 27 Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2800 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 1): Why do they need a new runway? KLIA isn't exactly busting at the seems with regards to capacity. At least, not the couple of times that I was there.
KLIA isn't bursting, but LCCT is. This new development is catered for Air Asia. Although I seriously wonder why couldn't they just build the terminal, and use the present runway? If LHR is struggling to cope with two runways, I'll understand. But KLIA????
If I remember the previous plans correctly, it will be in the vicinity of the weather station and the perimeter road. So suffice to say the spotter's favourite location would be gone.
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Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11951 posts, RR: 37 Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2645 times:
Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 9): If I remember the previous plans correctly, it will be in the vicinity of the weather station and the perimeter road. So suffice to say the spotter's favourite location would be gone.
I've been to KUL once before, back in 2001 and thought it was a terrific airport. The current spotter's site is between the runway 32R/14L and the Sepang circuit (just off Jalan Pekelling?):
If they do build a new runway, they won't want it too much closer to the Sepang circuit.
KUL handled 209,000 movements in the last year for which info is available; sure, not a massive amount, but certainly not bad - and too much for one runway. Better to plan now and build, rather than waiting five years and finding that you have long holding and queuing delays, which obviously impact on the customer's (airline and passenger) experience.
Tsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2505 times:
Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 9): If I remember the previous plans correctly, it will be in the vicinity of the weather station and the perimeter road. So suffice to say the spotter's favourite location would be gone.
It already is gone. That entire stretch has been sealed off from 1st Jan 2010.
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 3591 posts, RR: 36 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2323 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 11): Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10):
and too much for one runway
They have two runways now. Like the OP said, there will begin:
Quoting MAS777 (Thread starter):
construction of a third parallel runway
which seems not really needed.
Well, let's call it optimistic planning. I have been to KUL about 10 times or so in the last 10 years. The airport is always magnificent and is still not really crowded (yet). But they are hoping for more passengers to come, starting with this LCC expansion for mainly Air Asia. But they face some very serious competition from Changi Airport in Singapore and Suvarnabhumi near Bangkok. But they would very much like to hold (and increase) their ground, so I guess we have to see this expansion with this thought in mind.
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I have been to KUL about 10 times or so in the last 10 years. The airport is always magnificent and is still not really crowded (yet). But they are hoping for more passengers to come, starting with this LCC expansion for mainly Air Asia. But they face some very serious competition from Changi Airport in Singapore and Suvarnabhumi near Bangkok. But they would very much like to hold (and increase) their ground, so I guess we have to see this expansion with this thought in mind.
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