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User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6908 times:

According to travel statistics that were recently published in the Boston market, DL/NWs BOS-AMS service is extremely popular and runs consistently high load factors. In fact, DL will run two A330s on the route this summer. With this in mind and with Delta's good feed here, I bet that DL could do well with one or two more TATL destinations. Is there any news or speculation of possible destinations? I would think that Lisbon (due to the large Portugese communities in New England) and/or Brussels (major underserved business center) would make good choices.

I would love to see significantly more scenes like this here in Boston:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRzcjMq8J70

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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6826 times:

There was a rumour going around there about a year ago of DL starting BOS-SNN with 757s after it axed ATL-SNN. I think a daily 752 on the route would be fitting because the A330s which EI use are sometimes too large for the SNN market (especially during the winter months). And with EI only having a 5x weekly service this summer, I think DL would have the advantage.


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User currently offlineBostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6804 times:

Delta did partner with Virgin Atlantic between Boston and London-Gatwick for a while. I remember being onboard with all the VS flight attendants in their red uniforms, and the lone Delta flight attendant in blue. I think some passengers thought she was the boss since her uniform was different. I think the US is entitled to name another airline to operate Boston-London. Actually, Northwest did operate to London and Glasgow for a while among other European cities.

Several airlines have tried Boston-Lisbon (Pan Am, TWA, TAP) but I think most of the traffic is "visiting friends and family" and is low yield. SATA does currently operate to the Azores from Boston (I think most New Englanders who identify as "Portuguese" actually originated in the Azores). I think SATA also operated to the Azores from Providence at one point.

Sabena used to have multiple daily flights to Brussels, so that's a possibility.

I would like to see additional service to Germany. LH operates to Frankfurt and Munich, but Berlin really should be on some airline's agenda.


User currently offlineCatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6757 times:



Quoting BostonBeau (Reply 3):
I think the US is entitled to name another airline to operate Boston-London.

Huh? They have open skies between the two countries. There's no route cases...

I would imagine the next step, rather than opening up point to point service with no feed to a city like Lisbon that Delta currently doesn't serve, is to put DL metal on flights to CDG.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8283 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6748 times:
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Delta should do LHR from Boston since New England and Boston have for decades been a focus city.

User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 625 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6610 times:

Delta previously tried London/Gatwick using their own metal, as well as Frankfurt. I don't know if Rome ever came to fruition, or if it was just planned.

Although Delta had big plans for Boston as a transatlantic gateway, it just never worked out for them.


User currently offlineBOSSAN From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6475 times:

I'm not sure what transatlantic options Delta would take up beyond a London route, given the existing service from Boston to other European SkyTeam hubs, Delta's diminished feed at Boston and the proximity of Delta's large JFK hub for connecting service.

Delta flew BOS-LGW from June 1, 2001 to June 1, 2002. It never generated high yields, being up against BA, AA, VS and UA to LHR, and in 2002 Delta needed to conserve cash. Now Delta would be able to launch BOS-LHR, but would have to acquire slots, and would still be competing against 6 flights on BA, AA and VS. However, the ability to carry alliance traffic may justify a daily flight.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6435 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
According to travel statistics that were recently published in the Boston market, DL/NWs BOS-AMS service is extremely popular and runs consistently high load factors. In fact, DL will run two A330s on the route this summer. With this in mind and with Delta's good feed here, I bet that DL could do well with one or two more TATL destinations. Is there any news or speculation of possible destinations? I would think that Lisbon (due to the large Portugese communities in New England) and/or Brussels (major underserved business center) would make good choices.

I would love to see significantly more scenes like this here in Boston:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRzcjMq8J70

For not being a hub Boston is well served to Europe. All of the big markets, London, Paris, Zurich, Frankfurt and Dublin/Shannon, are all served year round and daily out of BOS.

I don't think you will be seeing a domestic carrier add European service from BOS anytime soon. I also think you will see maybe 2 new destinations opened up from BOS in the next 5-7 years.

BRU is probably the biggest hole in BOS-Europe. I don't see that being filled anytime soon.

Also, doesn't SATA run BOS-LIS service seasonally?

BOS passengers numbers are going to be down, although the last few months they have seen increases. Once the economy gets a little bit better, BOS will be in a better position for new services to Europe. I am pretty sure it is one of the biggest USA-Europe markets.

[Edited 2010-01-13 08:25:40]

[Edited 2010-01-13 08:40:47]

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

BOS-SNN and BOS-LIS cater heavily to ethnic traffic. VFR pax don't fill the front cabin nor do they produce high yields. There are better markets for the aircraft.

User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1830 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5934 times:



Quoting Catiii (Reply 3):
I would imagine the next step, rather than opening up point to point service with no feed to a city like Lisbon that Delta currently doesn't serve, is to put DL metal on flights to CDG.

Why would DL add their metal while AF is taking care of the route ? With the exception of ATL, there is no US/Europe route where they have both metals flying it. And for ATL-CDG, you can understand as they the biggest hubs of AF and DL on both ends of the route. But BOS is not a hub for DL, so I doubt that we will see both AF and DL metals on CDG-BOS.


User currently offlineLUPOR1D From Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5895 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 7):
Also, doesn't SATA run BOS-LIS service seasonally?

AFAIK they run a service from Boston to Ponda Delgaga at least, or perhaps its Boston-Ponda Delgada-Lisbon, or the like.. =D



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Some years ago (IIRC prior to 9/11) there was serious talk that DL was looking at establishing a small European gateway at BOS serving CDG, FCO, and I think DUB/SNN. Then 9/11 happened and things changed but I do believe that DL could be succesful with a BOS-Ireland flight and possibly with BOS-LHR.


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User currently offlineA340crew From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5634 times:

In the current edition of the Massport New Paper (dont know official name but the free paper they have at the airport) they say that delta airlines will be moving to the United Airlines hangar because it will need the extra space due to added international flights.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

DL hasn't focused on BOS-TATL because JFK was just down the road and a major expansion hub... now that JFK growth is slowing down, you can expect to see DL focus some attn on BOS.

DL and NW combined have offered a significant portion of TATL service at BOS over the years... much of it has been low yield focused but the 757 and 737 are actually quite well suited for several potential BOS routes.

As for TPAC, the long rumored NRT flight could very well happen under a DL-JL JV.


User currently offlineCatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4030 times:



Quoting Goldorak (Reply 9):
With the exception of ATL, there is no US/Europe route where they have both metals flying it. And for ATL-CDG, you can understand as they the biggest hubs of AF and DL on both ends of the route. But BOS is not a hub for DL, so I doubt that we will see both AF and DL metals on CDG-BOS.

I believe JFK-CDG is served seasonally by dual metal. As is DTW-CDG. So it isn't out of the realm of possibility that a similar situation could occur in BOS. I could envision an additional DL757 in the summer to complement the daily AF flight.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
DL and NW combined have offered a significant portion of TATL service at BOS over the years... much of it has been low yield focused but the 757 and 737 are actually quite well suited for several potential BOS routes

Exactly. The TATL 757's are a great fit for BOS.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
As for TPAC, the long rumored NRT flight could very well happen under a DL-JL JV.

I 100% agree with that.


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1830 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3863 times:



Quoting Catiii (Reply 14):
I believe JFK-CDG is served seasonally by dual metal.

not anymore for about 2 years

Quoting Catiii (Reply 14):
As is DTW-CDG.

not anymore also. NW dropped its flight

Quoting Catiii (Reply 14):
I could envision an additional DL757 in the summer to complement the daily AF flight.

AF has already 2 daily flights during the summer season (2 A343 for next summer)


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