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OV To Fly TLL-VNO-AMS, KL Codeshare  
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3170 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2651 times:

Today, Estonian Air (OV) announced to launch a 6 weekly VNO-AMS flight, starting February 12. KLM will put it's code on the flight. The existing TLL-AMS flight will be rerouted as TLL-VNO-AMS-VNO-TLL.

Source: http://www.estonian-air.ee/index.php?id=34398

It's the umptheenth change in the AMS-Baltic connections in the last decade.

VNO-AMS has been served by Lithuanian airlines, later rebranded FlyLAL for a couple of years. The last years, B737s and Saab 2000s were used on the route, eventually flying 2x daily. This flight had carried the KL code for a long time, altough KL did not sell AMS-VNO (only connections) * FlyLAL has also operated AMS-PLQ with Saab 2000s for 1 or 2 seasons.

After the collapse of FlyLAL, Skyways express and later Air Baltic (BT) announced VNO-AMS flights. Skyways didn't go on with their VNO-project, but BT flies the route since last week.

BT and OV will go head-to-head on the route. Literally, as their flights are scheduled within 5 minutes of each other. Also, both carriers plan to use a 735.

AMS-TLL will disappear again as a non-stop flight. The route has been flown by OV for many years, although with some stops. From (IIRC) 2005 to 2009, KL flew the route with an F70, but withdrew it; OV restarted the route afterwards.

AMS-RIX is currently flown by BT, since 2009. They have operated the route before, but ceased it (IIRC) around 2005. From 2004 to 2009, KL had a 2x daily service, with F70 and F100. BT now uses 733 (with winglets), 735 and the occasional 752.

KL cooperates with BT on AMS-RIX. There is no codeshare, but KL apparantly has a good deal with BT as they are offering cheap connecting fares from RIX, for example RIX-AMS-JFK, with RIX-AMS flown by BT. You can also book VNO-AMS-JFK, with VNO-AMS on BT, but this is considerably more expensive.

Looking at the latest developments, KL found a new partner for AMS-VNO. It's interesting to see how long this route will last though. The fact that they use it as a stop on TLL-AMS can also indicate that AMS-TLL isn't doing too well.

* A similar agreement is in place for many years with EI; there is a KL-code on AMS-DUB and AMS-ORK, but KL can only sell tickets in combination with a KL-flight.

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User currently offlineAlm1 From Lithuania, joined Oct 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2609 times:

And the cheapest OV roundrip fare for VNO-AMS is around 170 eur. Estonian Air pricing policy will kill them.

User currently offlineDelta777jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2554 times:



Quoting Alm1 (Reply 1):
And the cheapest OV roundrip fare for VNO-AMS is around 170 eur. Estonian Air pricing policy will kill them.

Wait for the KLM prices for connection flts. I assume they will fill the plane with connection passengers. Allthough stupid that long time no airline and now two at the same time are flying. One for sure will give up soon on this may be even both.

There must be other potential routes out of VNO. For example LGW will be stopped by EI from March onwards or why not some city in Germany.



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User currently onlineJohner From Poland, joined Jan 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2511 times:
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VNO-LGW already announced by BT.

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2469 times:



Quoting Delta777jet (Reply 2):
Wait for the KLM prices for connection flts. I assume they will fill the plane with connection passengers.

But it's the question whether this is a pot of gold, because if it were a good route...

Quoting Delta777jet (Reply 2):
long time no airline and now two at the same time are flying

... KL would have started the route right after FlyLALs failure.


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4271 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2374 times:



Quoting Joost (Thread starter):
BT and OV will go head-to-head on the route. Literally, as their flights are scheduled within 5 minutes of each other. Also, both carriers plan to use a 735.

I always thought that OV would bring in their new CR9's on this route.



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2333 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 5):
I always thought that OV would bring in their new CR9's on this route.

On the Estonian Air website, a random search for AUG 2010 showed a flight operated by CRJ900


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2243 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 5):

I always thought that OV would bring in their new CR9's on this route.



Quoting Vasu (Reply 6):

On the Estonian Air website, a random search for AUG 2010 showed a flight operated by CRJ900

Even the current AMS-TLL route was supposed to be CR9 from the start. There have been several issues with the deliveries of these birds, though, so they don't have them yet. It seems like they're stored at YMX. More info in this thread:

Estonian Air CRJ-900's? (by AV8AJET Dec 12 2009 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4636640&searchid=4636640&s=estonian+cr9#ID4636640

A picture of one of these birds, still wearing Canadian registration:
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=5932


User currently offlineTraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2075 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 4):
... KL would have started the route right after FlyLALs failure.

I am not so sure. They quit Tallinn even so that they had pretty good loads, they also quit Riga also so most probably this region does not fit into their strategy?

Quoting Delta777jet (Reply 2):
Wait for the KLM prices for connection flts. I assume they will fill the plane with connection passengers. Allthough stupid that long time no airline and now two at the same time are flying. One for sure will give up soon on this may be even both.

I would not expect too much of it because return flight departs from AMS in quite early, so many of their long haul destinations would require overnight stop in AMS which can eliminate any price attractiveness of the fare.

Quoting Joost (Reply 7):
Even the current AMS-TLL route was supposed to be CR9 from the start. There have been several issues with the deliveries of these birds, though, so they don't have them yet.

Estonian Government and SAS are in negotiations now about the future of OV.
One of the very probable outcome (according to the local newspapers) is that SAS will sell its share in OV back to Estonian Government. Until fate of OV will be decided I do not think those issues will be solved.

To be honest OV reduced the size of cabin luggage so I am not very exited about CR9
Like to have my old trolley-case with me on board.


Regards,

Sven


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