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SIA To Operate A380 To Zurich From March  
User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1969 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9856 times:

SIA operating A380 on Zurich route
(14Jan10 09:40 GMT) Leithen Francis, Singapore
Singapore Airlines plans to operate Airbus A380 aircraft on its Singapore-Zurich route, replacing the carrier's Boeing 777-300ERs.
From 28 March, a daily A380 service will replace the 12-times-weekly 777-300ER service, says the Star Alliance carrier.
"Zurich will be the third city in Europe and the seventh in the SIA network to receive the A380," it adds.
SIA has no competitors on the Zurich route, according to Innovata. This route mostly caters to business travellers.

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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9854 times:

Who would have thought that Zurich will see the A380 before FRA or MUC.........


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9829 times:
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Thanks for the News!!

So was only a short time for the SQ B77W in comparison to the B747's earlier!

As they are going to replace the 77W there will be only one Flight a day! SQ345/6 ? The Sales for the first flight will be soon? Any news on this?



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User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9814 times:

EK has just anounced the same, soon we have 2 daily flights ZRH-Asia, that's quite impressive!
and another exemple of A380 supremacy over the B773ER or the frequency bla bla.


User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9725 times:
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Just checking Singaporeair.com for Flight Info and a quick turn arrond in SIN would be at 1807.50CHF

Big version: Width: 561 Height: 255 File size: 30kb



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9505 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 1):
Who would have thought that Zurich will see the A380 before FRA or MUC.........

Yes, it is surprising but I guess SIA has a chance of making more money by operating one flight rather than two. Another consideration is that the Swiss pay more for their tickets but they expect quality in return and so the A380 fits the bill. "Yield" for SIA will also be high as the Swiss Franc is one of the world's strongest currencies.

More details about the new service here:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ia-confirms-a380-flights-at-zurich


User currently offlineLukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1091 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9456 times:

Great news and a sensible utilisation of the A380... Don't think too many where expecting that...

As an aside, the photos of an A380 coming in with a nice crosswind with the Swiss Alps in the back will be most enjoyable...



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9252 times:



Quoting Docpepz (Thread starter):
From 28 March, a daily A380 service will replace the 12-times-weekly 777-300ER service, says the Star Alliance carrier.

Total Seats / week
Now 12 * 278 = 3336 seats
Then 7 * 471 = 3297 seats

Seats Business Class / week
Now 12 x 504 seats
Then 7 * 60 = 420 seats

So -1% seats, -13 % Business class seats, less schedule flexibility.

On the plus side : cost saving of 5 flights & superior passenger appeal.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9198 times:

SIA had presented us the calculation that 7 A380 per week give them a profit compared to 10 B77W - so 7 A380 instead of 12 77W must be a money printer....

Contrats to SIA and Switzerland!


User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8992 times:

per SQ's statement:

Quoting Docpepz (Thread starter):
This route mostly caters to business travellers.


They will have more economy seats to fill (+45). While decreasing their Business seats (-84). First /Suite will increase (+4).

The savings of switching to 1 daily must be great.

Which is the next A380 city?



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User currently offlineLoalq From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 219 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8955 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 9):
Which is the next A380 city?

Shanghai on LH FRA-PVG?



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8956 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 9):
Which is the next A380 city?

Possibly FRA to coincide with LH's introduction of its A380. Maybe SIA will cease flying SIN-FRA-JFK with the B744 in favour of a SIN-FRA terminator service with an A380.


User currently onlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8916 times:

So there will come 3 free 77Ws, and 1.5 of them will go SQ's new 5/w SIN-MUC-MAN, and other 1 seems to be used on SIN-SYD-SIN 231/232. There can be additional daily short-haul route on the daytime.

User currently offlineBluemoonUK From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7644 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 9):
Which is the next A380 city?

could well be EK at MAN  Smile
Bluemoon


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2844 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7586 times:

Wow! I sure didn't expect ZRH to get A380 service so soon...best of luck to this new route!


Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6708 times:

This is an environmentally-friendly mission for the A380; reducing the number of flights on a route. I am surprised that Airbus isn't using this more openly as a marketing point. That notwithstanding, Zurich Airport will look so much better with scenes like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6FdjIovH6M


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6650 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 7):
superior passenger appeal.

According to who exactly?

Quoting Worldrider (Reply 3):
and another exemple of A380 supremacy over the B773ER or the frequency bla bla.

Another? What was the first? If, as is claimed, this is a "business" route, then why the reduction in business seats and the increase in economy? And what about the frequency loss? Business pax prefer options, right?

All this suggests ZRH isn't quite the premium market it's made out to be.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6650 times:
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[quote=HeeseokKoo,reply=12]So there will come 3 free 77Ws, and 1.5 of them will go SQ's new 5/w SIN-MUC-MAN, and other 1 seems to be used on SIN-SYD-SIN 231/232. There can be additional daily short-haul route on the daytime.

I think we might see SQ place the 77W on SIN-NRT-LAX-NRT-SIN. They have been wanting to do this for quite sometime now and keep pushing it forward and instead keep the aging 744 on this route.


User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6628 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 17):

I think we might see SQ place the 77W on SIN-NRT-LAX-NRT-SIN. They have been wanting to do this for quite sometime now and keep pushing it forward and instead keep the aging 744 on this route.

Nope. 77Ws goes to SQ328/327 and SQ231/232. 73A on SQ231/232 goes to SQ219/220. No changes to current 744 routes.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6613 times:



Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 16):
If, as is claimed, this is a "business" route, then why the reduction in business seats and the increase in economy? And what about the frequency loss? Business pax prefer options, right?

The reduction in cost from only operating once a day should more than offset any revenue losses (unlikely) from losing the occasional premium passenger due to the reduction in capacity, especially with traffic soft almost everywhere now, especially in the preimium cabins.


User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6613 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 18):
No changes to current 744 routes.

Do not be too sure about this. 744 may possibly be returning to a previous route
 Wink



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6586 times:

When will LAX see a SQ A380?
I am surprised they have not yet started a A380 service to LAX


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5867 times:
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Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 21):
When will LAX see a SQ A380?
I am surprised they have not yet started a A380 service to LAX

Because the economy has gotten very bad and demand for premium cabins has gone down remarkably. I also feel the launch of SQ 380 service to LAX has been slowed due to the fact they fly SIN-LAX-SIN nonstop for now.

If anything, it'll be nice to see them fly the 77W which they've planed to do on the NRT flight, but like I mentioned earlier, keeps getting put off. By summer, they'll be the only carrier operating the 744 on LAX-NRT.


User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5704 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 20):
Do not be too sure about this. 744 may possibly be returning to a previous route

Those hearsay rumours?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5655 times:



Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 16):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 7):
superior passenger appeal.

According to who exactly?

According to Singapore Airlines, Qantas and Emirates.

SIA says its A380 load factors "remain above the system-wide average", but it declines togive figures by aircraft type for commercial reasons. "Suffice to say A380 flights remain very popular and on routes where we have multiple daily frequencies with different aircraft types, the A380 services tend to be the most in demand," it says.

The operators put the A380's passenger appeal down to a combination of quiet and spacious cabins, a high standard of in-flight entertainment and the giant's comfortable ride. "She goes through turbulence like a huge Queen Mary 2 on the North Atlantic in January," says Clark. "There's so much space in the aircraft. It's only 10-abreast, same as the 747, but it is wider - wider aisles, wider seats. Economy passengers can walk around. There's a great feel-good factor."


http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...le-appeal-the-a380-in-service.html


25 Aerokiwi : But not enough to charge a premium right? And they "decline to give figures by aircraft type for commercial reasons"? Uhuh, believe all the airline s
26 Post contains links Keesje : They do. You might know that revenue management tries to maximize profit on every single flight. Higher demand = higher prices. http://www.smh.com.au
27 Aerokiwi : " target=_blank>http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-....html That article offers no evidence of the A380 generating higher premiums except to link QF
28 Nicholaschee : 8 in active fleet. 2 in desert (VCV).
29 Qazar : I was so sure that SIN-FRA-JFK or SIN-NRT-LAX would have been the next to receive the A388. But it makes a lot of sense to release 12 weekly B773 rota
30 Post contains links ZRH : Thanks for the thread to specify when the SQ 380 service to Zurich starts. But for all people who are surprised: it is actually old news, it is known
31 DTWLAX : The SIN-LAX-SIN nonstop is an all business class flight. I think there is demand on the LAX-SIN route for premium cabin. They could have an A380 dail
32 Olympic472 : I was told 9, not counting the mothballed ones. Until the A380 resumes delivery, the 744 will keep flying. Slightly off topic, between the B773/A350
33 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Singapore Airlines beat Air France on their own ground by being First to Fly the A380 to Paris CDG. So after London and Paris they will be First to F
34 B738FlyUIA : I was thinking of the same as at the beginning of this thread to book the flight SIN - ZRH for the 28th March as they are available on singaporeair.c
35 Iainbhx : I must admit, I do like the look of this flight as ZRH has a lot of advantages for me and I quite fancy going out doing ZRH-SIN-BNE next Christmas. Ho
36 Theducks : My wife and I did PER-SIN-ZRH with SQ back in Sept 2008. We got a midweek flight on a not very old 777 that was at about 10-15% pax load. Really great
37 LACA773 : I'm well aware the SIN-LAX-SIN flight is all J class, DTWLAX. Of course there's enough demand for an all premium class flight in this market otherwis
38 Post contains links B738FlyUIA : Here a Interview with Station Manager Mister Chia * The A380 matches perfectly to Zurich " --> In German language http://tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtschaft/u
39 MadameConcorde : I am adding one more First to Fly the A380 to my collection. After Sydney, London Heathrow and Nagoya/Narita. This new First to Fly the A380 will take
40 Philzh : What did EK announce? Haven't catched it, sorry.
41 Astuteman : SQ said that replacing 10 x 773ER with 7 x A388 produced an operating cost reduction of 3%, so replacing 12 x 773ER with 7 x A388 should produce an o
42 ZRH : Congrats. I actually like the idea to fly with a SWISS ticket on an A 380 . Not every medium sized or even big airline can sell A 380 flights.
43 Viscount724 : Just out of curiosity, what was the round trip fare from NCE? Was the fare including the NCE-ZRH-NCE sectors cheaper than if you had originated in ZR
44 MadameConcorde : EUR 1060,59 exactly. NCE sectors are included. The ticket is fully refundable. I could have gotten the trip somewhat cheaper without the refund possi
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