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Rumour: Royal Jordanian To MIA  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3937 times:

Reliable rumor that Royal Jordanian has talked to MIA and is considering starting service to Miami this coming fall with the pending approval of its ATI with American Airlines. It would be wo weekly non-stops to Amman. If this happens, then - quite impressively - all five of the oneWorld trans-Atlantic ATI members would be flying trans-Atlantic to MIA. Only JFK currently has that distinction.

Take the rumor for the grain of salt its worth, but its the same source that told me about Corsairfly to MIA three months before the announcement, and that turned out to be right on the money.

Royal Jordanian flew to Miami in the late 1980's and early 1990's twice a week with an A310 via Vienna, Austria, but service was abruptly canceled due to the Gulf War and never resumed.


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8288 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3931 times:
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Royal Jordanian L-1011-500 also flew to Miami in the Pan AM era.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

I think RJ will make more money flying to DFW versus MIA because at least they can get some high yielding oil business from Texas bound to Jordan, Central Asia and Middle East. Plus isnt the VFR traffic from Texas to CAI and Middle East bigger than Florida.

DFW too is a big AA hub and they could feed RJ's flights from markets such as LAX/SFO/LAS/IAH.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 2):
I think RJ will make more money flying to DFW versus MIA because at least they can get some high yielding oil business from Texas bound to Jordan, Central Asia and Middle East. Plus isnt the VFR traffic from Texas to CAI and Middle East bigger than Florida.

But do you think RJ has the resources and the product to lure the oil business traffic that is flowing to the Gulf states? I don't think they do.

Dallas-Middle East is a little bigger than Miami-Middle East when we exclude Israel. Miami has more traffic to the eastern areas such as Jordan and Lebanon than Dallas, and Miami has a larger VFR component than Dallas. Dallas traffic is concentrated on the Gulf coast states and is, as you note, more business focused and higher-yielding. But that is the exact reason the traffic will tend to fly Etihad, Qatar and Emirates, not Royal Jordanian.

While MIA opens Royal Jordanian to new connecting opportunities to markets in the Americas, Dallas opens nothing that Chicago does not already offer.

I see zero opportunity for RJ to Dallas. AA's new partner Etihad flying to Dallas - well, there we have a lot of potential and I think that Etihad could start flying to Dallas tomorrow and have a hit on their hands.

[Edited 2010-01-14 20:08:11]


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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3618 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Miami has more traffic to the eastern areas such as Jordan and Lebanon than Dallas, and Miami has a larger VFR component than Dallas.

Interesting. Is another premise that they can feed into Latin America?


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24905 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3578 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
If this happens, then - quite impressively - all five of the oneWorld trans-Atlantic ATI members would be flying trans-Atlantic to MIA. Only JFK currently has that distinction.

But isn't AY's MIA-HEL service a very infrequent (once a week) seasonal service with a semi-charter type product on high density 757s with a fuel stop in Canada? I can't see that being of much use to other Oneworld members.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 2):
I think RJ will make more money flying to DFW versus MIA because at least they can get some high yielding oil business

Twice-weekly service isn't attractive to the business market.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3544 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
If this happens, then - quite impressively - all five of the oneWorld trans-Atlantic ATI members would be flying trans-Atlantic to MIA. Only JFK currently has that distinction.

But isn't AY's MIA-HEL service a very infrequent (once a week) seasonal service with a semi-charter type product on high density 757s with a fuel stop in Canada? I can't see that being of much use to other Oneworld members.

Currently, yes. Finnair's South Florida service since 1992 has seen a mix of everything - MD11s and 757s, non-stop, via Halifax and via Bangor, and Finnair has switched between MIA and FLL four times. The peak was 3x weekly MD11 in 04/05.

However, Finnair's holiday 757s are being retired this summer and the holiday division merged into regular service. MIA is expected to switch to an A330 for the winter 2010/11 season.

Quoting CatIII (Reply 4):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Miami has more traffic to the eastern areas such as Jordan and Lebanon than Dallas, and Miami has a larger VFR component than Dallas.

Interesting. Is another premise that they can feed into Latin America?

I assume that's a consideration factor.



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User currently offlineAH332 From Algeria, joined Mar 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Hi,

Truly awesome news! Always good to have more choices to travel. A big Arabian community in South Florida (ME and N. Africa), that would surely welcome such a flight. Thanks for the info.

Cheers,
Imad



Bledi Heya Al Djazaeer! // Next Flights: AB MIA-DUS-ORY, AF ORY-MRS-ALG
User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

If the service ends up coming to fruition, would MIA be served nonstop or via a European city as in the past?

User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2976 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
However, Finnair's holiday 757s are being retired this summer and the holiday division merged into regular service. MIA is expected to switch to an A330 for the winter 2010/11 season.

Only three 757's will be retired in 2010.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2752 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
However, finnair's holiday 757s are being retired this summer and the holiday division merged into regular service. MIA is expected to switch to an A330 for the winter 2010/11 season.

A little adjustment to my post on the other thread: They will retire three of their seven 757s this year. Yes, hopefully MIA gets AY's A333 next winter, like their holiday route HEL-HKT did already.


User currently offlineSATexan From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

This will be a very very good route for AA and RJ. I hope they swing into action quickly before EK enters this market.

It is also important to know that RJ flies to TLV and MIA-TLV has a pretty good market. So RJ should be able to tap some of that market. This is something that EK will not be able to do.


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