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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5486 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10396 times:

Making a post in another thread about the steady march of improvement to the range of the 777-300ER since its introduction, it occurred to me that we don't always realize exactly what this remarkable aircraft has done.

It was conceived as a 7400 nm aircraft that could replace 747 Classics and a few 747-400s, keep the A340-600 at bay, and extend the life of the 777 family a few more years.

Testing yielded the astonishing result that the aircraft had over 400 nm more range than planned, thanks to nearly every part of the aircraft performing better than anticipated. All of a sudden the 77W was a legitimate 747-400 replacement.

In service, it quickly amassed a record of amazing reliability and economic performance. It has arguably replaced the 747-400 and halved A380 sales. It has become the definitive long-haul airliner for almost all of the top-tier carriers in the world, and the exceptions like QF and LH are notable for the very lack of 77Ws.

Some people think it looks boring; I think it looks like an amazing engineering achievement, not to mention a very purposeful and elegant piece of machinery. I defy anyone to look at these pictures and tell me this is an ugly aircraft (except NA, who will anyway... Big grin )

And, of course, it has a flawless safety record to this point, although credit for that goes partly to the top-notch operators who have it in their fleets.


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May this wonderful bird enjoy many more years of safe, productive, and comfortable service.

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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25381 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10380 times:

It's interesting that of 410 77W orders (as of December 31, 2009), not one has been sold to a U.S. carrier.

User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1885 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10350 times:

777-300ER, along with its smaller -200LR sibling, is my absolute favourite Boeing-made aircraft ever. No other passenger jetliner has ever impressed me so much. To me, it is an engineering marvel and the most beautiful twin-engine jet made so far.

Kudos to Boeing for giving the world this beauty. I cannot wait to see one in British Airways livery.



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User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10363 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
It's interesting that of 410 77W orders (as of December 31, 2009), not one has been sold to a U.S. carrier.

Why is that? Why didn't DL go for the -300ER instead of the 77L?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31013 posts, RR: 87
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10339 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
It's interesting that of 410 77W orders (as of December 31, 2009), not one has been sold to a U.S. carrier.

The two US carriers who have extensive Asia-Pacific operations already had the 747-400 in their fleets. And for TATL operations, the US legacies have both their own frequencies from multiple hubs and foreign partners that also serve many of those hubs, many of them who operate 300+ seaters like the 744, 77W and A346.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25381 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10283 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
It's interesting that of 410 77W orders (as of December 31, 2009), not one has been sold to a U.S. carrier.

The two US carriers who have extensive Asia-Pacific operations already had the 747-400 in their fleets.

However, many airlines are using the 77W to replace the 744, so why wouldn't UA and NW (now DL) have been interested in doing the same thing, considering that both carriers combined took delivery of 60 744s (44 for UA and 16 for NW)?

UA of course has a large 772 flleet but there must be some routes, especially those with more than one daily frequency, that would warrant the largesr capacity of the 77W.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10194 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
The two US carriers who have extensive Asia-Pacific operations already had the 747-400 in their fleets.

So what? So did ANA, JAL, Cathay and Singapore to mention just four.


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3627 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10174 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
However, many airlines are using the 77W to replace the 744, so why wouldn't UA and NW (now DL) have been interested in doing the same thing, considering that both carriers combined took delivery of 60 744s (44 for UA and 16 for NW)?

UA of course has a large 772 flleet but there must be some routes, especially those with more than one daily frequency, that would warrant the largesr capacity of the 77W.

UA is replacing their 744s with A350 900XWBs, between 2016 and 2019.



I love the sound of a 77W GE 90s @ spool up. Big grin


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5831 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10036 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
so why wouldn't UA and NW (now DL) have been interested in doing the same thing,

Because we're in the middle of a GLOBAL recession.
Hence Airbus and Boeing have each had hundreds of deferrals and cancellations in the past year.

The 77W is a great plane, but if you can't fill the planes you've got, why would you add a new, larger-than-many type to your fleet?


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10028 times:

Boeing 777-300ERs is one of my top favourite planes. Flying on it, hearing the wonderful GE90 engine start up and roaring is music to my ears ! Even though its not quiet, but the aircraft is certainly a joy to fly on, and a beautiful plane to photographed !


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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10047 posts, RR: 96
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10016 times:
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Quoting SeaBosDca (Thread starter):
Making a post in another thread about the steady march of improvement to the range of the 777-300ER since its introduction, it occurred to me that we don't always realize exactly what this remarkable aircraft has done.

side-stepping the "non-US" debate....

You're absolutely right to start this thread.

In the same way that we've gradually come to realise just how good the A330 is, and was, the 773ER (and 772LR) fall into the very same category.
Without the 773ER, the A340-600 would look like a fabulous piece of kit  yes 

And I harbour suspicions that the 773ER (and A330) are going to show us just how hard it is to make a significant improvement on them.

Like you, I think the 773ER has a long way to run yet  highfive 

Rgds


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10006 times:
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I cant wait until later this year when NZ take their first 77W , I think that beauty will deserve an appreciation thread all of its own  Big grin


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User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9943 times:

The 777-300/ER is very impressive for the reasons mentioned in this thread but I prefer the shortter -200/LR which I find even more impressive!

The777Man



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User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9856 times:

I appreciate your thread.
I've felt like you for quite some time.
It is not the biggest or longest airplane, no it's success is far more subtle, but far more interesting.

Watching the early morning arrivals at Heathrow from my hotel room at the rennaisance, the 77Ws landing ever so smooethely on RWY 27R are some of the most amazing sights I have ever seen. So no it is not an ugly plane.

Boaz.



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User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9851 times:

Quoting SeaBosDca (Thread starter):
I think it looks like an amazing engineering achievement, not to mention a very purposeful and elegant piece of machinery.

I wholeheartedly agree, and I appreciate your thread. Big grin

The 777-300ER is my favorite aircraft. The distinctive sound of the GE-90 engines spooling up during takeoff is music to my ears. This beautiful aircraft is a marvel of modern engineering.

[Edited 2010-01-15 00:59:07]


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User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9783 times:

There is a video on Youtube of an EVA Air 77W taking off at full speed and the engine sound is awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7vxj327Eg4

Its such a cool plane! Big grin


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9748 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Thread starter):
It has become the definitive long-haul airliner for almost all of the top-tier carriers in the world, and the exceptions like QF and LH are notable for the very lack of 77Ws.

Since no US airline has ordered the 77W, are you implying that no US airline is a top-tier carrier of the world??

I tend to travel mostly on UA and LH, so, unfortunately, I haven't had the chance to fly on a 77W. But I'm already suitably impressed with UA's 772s (sadly the only 777s I have ever been on...).



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9736 times:

Yup - great thread.

I absolutely love the 77W. Awesome plane.

Been on EK, EY, QR, SQ, AF and NH - more than two dozen times on EK's 77Ws alone. It is in fact, my most flown widebody.

Its not as quiet as the A340, but the design of the bins makes up for it i think.

Wonderful piece of kit.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9712 times:
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I have yet to fly on the -300ER , so far have only managed the regular -300 and the 200ER ... maybe I should take the UU -300ER which operates MRU-RUN at the moment on Fridays , I am guessing it cant take more than about 25 minutes which seems a very bizarre use for a long range aircraft .


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User currently offlineHeavy747 From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9687 times:

Here are some of my 77W videos i put on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WxUW3WjiHM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crC4CxtYi6k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8cijh0lZWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv1VOStZpis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcWJeqAfyqM

Enjoy  Smile
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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9623 times:

I think the 777 proved very succesfull as the ultimate efficient twin, not least because of the GE-11X that proved very efficient.



Quoting SeaBosDca (Thread starter):
In service, it quickly amassed a record of amazing reliability and economic performance. It has arguably replaced the 747-400 and halved A380 sales.

I think the A380 is significant larger & not a direct competitor. Seat capasity is not important in aircraft selection, it's The Key Selector. Long term network/revenue strategy determines aircraft type, not the other way around.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2618 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9517 times:
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I had the pleasure of flying on the 77W twice on my recent trip, and purely from a passenger's perspective, I love everything about it, from the way the GE90 sounds, the powerful takeoff that pushed me back against my seat, the spacious 9 abreast cabin, the Boeing signature interior emphasising how much space there is aboard the 777, and even the way it rides in turbulence. Even though I was sitting in Y, I wished the flight was longer ...

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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5486 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9141 times:



Quoting UALWN (Reply 16):
Since no US airline has ordered the 77W, are you implying that no US airline is a top-tier carrier of the world??

In any respect but size, I would argue exactly that.

I don't really blame the US carriers for it, because I think the US market is the world's most difficult to operate profitably in by a large margin, due partly to American geography and partly to American market conditions.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9081 times:

I love the 777 from its first flight days when I used to live in Seattle.
I would not even imagined in my wildest dreams that one day TK will fly/order the 77Ws. I can't wait till the first owned frames to arrive later this year, hopefully in a brand new livery.

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User currently offlineSejowa From United States of America, joined May 2006, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9033 times:

A great thread and wonderful pics! I've always admired the sophisticated simplicity and brute power of the 777-300ER, and am simply amazed at the capabilities it brings to the table. This aircraft, together with the A330, has trivialized distance for by far the greatest part of the flying public.

25 RJ111 : It's a good looking plane alright, I just hate the GE whine - it has nothing on the growl of a Trent. Now if you don't mind i'm going to sulk.
26 Pink77W : I can't believe someone said the 77W has cut the A380 sales n half? I flew the 77W once, LAX-SIN SQ. It was great. I hope Boeing sales 1000 more.
27 SeaBosDca : I think it's arguable, not necessarily certain. What is definitely true is that, for airlines, smaller is better in every respect except efficiency p
28 Astuteman : I would argue that as Airbus already had the A340-600, the 773ER hasn't halved A380 sales from what they otherwise would have been. A380 sales space
29 SEPilot : The US airline market has been in turmoil since deregulation; US airlines have only been buying new equipment when they absolutely had to, especially
30 Stitch : I imagine non-stop losses throughout the lifetime the 77W was offered for sale played a part. See above.
31 OldAeroGuy : It's no longer true, but the IFSD rate for the engine is running well below the level required for 330 min. ETOPS requirements.
32 Norcal773 : I couldn't agree more with the thread starter. I've flown on 17 777-300ERs and loved each and every one of those flight. The queen used to be my favor
33 SolarFlyer22 : It's probably one of the highest quality systems out there right now and is extremely well rounded. If I were starting a long haul airline today from
34 MogandoCI : sad, but probably true if you look at airline ranking surveys of all sorts in the last 10 years, and look at the global ranking (instead of something
35 SEPilot : Do you know how many and on which airlines they occurred?
36 Glom : I have a model of JA777A sitting in front of my TV. I only bought it from the ANA Fest shop at HND because that was the aircraft I flew on into NRT in
37 Ferroviarius : Good evening, my very private opinion: as a traveller, I do prefer the 34[5-6] to any 77W. Reasons: 1) In the 34[5-6] eco class, the 2-4-2 configurati
38 Richiemo : I'm not crazy about the raked wings. I think it ruins the lines of the airplane, as it does on the 772LR and the 764. I'm a fan of the traditional win
39 Aircellist : Not being as wise as Astuteman (...), I'll jump on that... Only to observe that, for many nay-sayers, the absence of sales of the A380 to US carriers
40 N328KF : The difference is that the 777-300ER is part of a larger program, and between the three airframes that are part of that program, it surely has recoup
41 SEPilot : They were not put on for aesthetics, but aerodynamics. They do their job very well, and to me that makes them beautiful.
42 Bonusonus : The 777-300ER is really a marvel from an engineering point of view. It's the largest twin-engine aircraft in the world. The GE90-115bs deliver an incr
43 Post contains images Bassbonebobo : I have to disagree with you there. They really complete the airplane for me. Without the raked tips the 77W would almost seem bland.
44 Bmacleod : An unlikely though still possible chance for AA or CO unless they decide to wait for the 777 replacement. Then again CO could still agree to a UA mer
45 Anshuk : I cannot believe somebody said the whine of a Trent is better than the whine of the GE11X! Its music to my ears, almost puts me in a trance! I've abso
46 Aircellist : That's not the point. What I meant was that using the argument that "it does not sell in the US so it can't be a success" seems meaningless when an a
47 EddieDude : Would love if AM had a couple of 777-300ERs for its MEX-MAD flights. I guess sometimes they would also be helpful for the GRU flights on peak times of
48 Post contains images DL752 : The 77W is a beautiful bird. Thanks for the thread! DL752
49 Post contains links and images SAA738 : The 777-300ER is my most flown on aircraft, mainly flying on EK ones between England and South Africa, via Dubai. The only problem I find with EK trip
50 SunriseValley : For that passenger load the ZFW would be ~ 227t and range would be ~ 6700nm.
51 HOOB747 : I haven't heard this saying before. Is it an engineering term? Does anyone know how the 77W achieved those extra, unexpected range figures? Or were t
52 7gm7 : Brilliant thread! I'm a huge fan of the 77W.
53 Viscount724 : No, it's a common term in British English.
54 Post contains images EA772LR : Anyone on here with more technical knowledge than I (that's probably most of you   ) care to guess when the 77W will break the 8,000nm mark?? It's on
55 Gasman : Excellent thread! One of my favourite aircraft, if not the favourite at the moment, for all the reasons mentioned. And to me it is a significantly bet
56 Post contains images Heavy747 : Agreed! Raked wingtips definitely add to the 77W! Here are some of my pics: Note, I drastically had to reduce the picture quality so I could share mo
57 SunriseValley : Many carriers that have it set up for ~ 320 passengers and have builds covered by the Aug.09 Boeing ACAP sheets are already at 8000nm with max. passe
58 FCA767 : I agree too, it's what makes it stand out
59 Kaitak : It's amazing when you think of the raw power of an engine of 115,000lbs of thrust, particularly when you consider that the first 747 engines, the JT9D
60 VHSMM : It is a great aeroplane, no doubt about it. I love the look of the ANA colours on a 77W, they look ace.
61 Glom : Yes. The raked wingtips look fabulous!
62 SeaBosDca : I think that will only happen if Boeing undertakes a major revision of the 77W (which I think is possible). What I don't know is exactly how much OEW
63 SunriseValley : In another thread I pointed out that the spread between generic OEW in the Aug.09 ACAP document and passenger ready OEW for a 3-class ~310 passenger
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