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JAL Says Sayonara Arigatou Mexico City!  
User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2696 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9247 times:

JAL's last flight into Mexico City operated on Thursday when one of its 744s arrived from Vancouver. The final JAL operation at MEX is expected to depart Mexico City on Friday at 9:30am after a farewell party to commemorate JAL's service to Mexico City which operated for some 30 years.



Property of Mexico1

The crew on the last flight to MEX


Property of Andre Du-Pont


Property of Andre Du Pont

The Last flight landing at MEX

[Edited 2010-01-15 00:58:47 by Latinplane]

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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6403 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9230 times:

Too bad they are stopping MEX but I guess it's necessary for JL to survive....Perhaps JL can return at a later time ?

Thanks for the pictures!

The777Man



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User currently onlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9214 times:
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Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
Perhaps JL can return at a later time ?

I am not so sure , regardless of which alliance they end up with they will have a Mexican partner , MX if they stay with OW or AM if they switch to Skyteam ( and of course AM actually fly to NRT ) , in either case it would seem that they could offer a more efficient/effective daily connection through codesharing than through their own metal a couple of times weekly .



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User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9148 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):

Too bad they are stopping MEX but I guess it's necessary for JL to survive....Perhaps JL can return at a later time ?

I highly doubt that they'll be back at MEX. They have been losing money on the route ever since Canada imposed visa requirements for Mexican nationals and once AeroMexico started competing with them JAL's loads on the MEX-YVR sector had fallen to less than 50%. JAL has kept the route purely for political reasons for the past few years. AM has just increased its service to 3x weekly to cope with the extra demand and can soon be upping it to 4x weekly. JAL is also expected to drop GRU at some point in the future completely ending services to Latin America and the only two countries in the region being able to sustain flights to Japan.


User currently offlineB737100 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9117 times:

This was always my favorite example of 5th freedom rights and a market that was not served in the past by a carrier from either country. Well, farewell JAL, and thanks for all the years you provided this great flight!


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8805 times:

I'm afraid GRU might be next.... unless they use smaller aircraft than the 744, tags such as MEX and GRU don't make sense.... the ideal arrangement would be revenue sharing w/ a US carrier but that isn't permitted given that neither Mexico or Brazil have Open Skies w/ the US. Right now, the US requires Open Skies w/ a country in order to have a JV, esp. a multinational one.

User currently offlineNYCAdvantage From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8749 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 5):
the ideal arrangement would be revenue sharing w/ a US carrier but that isn't permitted given that neither Mexico or Brazil have Open Skies w/ the US. Right now, the US requires Open Skies w/ a country in order to have a JV, esp. a multinational one.

I think their best be is code share it with either AA or DL from JFK or LAX with DL, and salvage some of the revenues if any.


User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8362 times:

Adios Japan Airlines.   





Photos property of Jonathan Parra

The last flight out of Mexico City bound for Tokyo after 30 years of service.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IrVp4jhLqA

[Edited 2010-01-15 09:22:52 by Latinplane]

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2750 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8275 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
Perhaps JL can return at a later time ?

I hope it's a goodbye and not a farewell  crossfingers 



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User currently offlineAM001 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 221 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8093 times:
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Was there a water cannon salute for the last flight out of MEX?


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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8043 times:

It is nice to see the wonderful smiles on the faces of the crew despite the difficult times for JAL.

Shame, since JAL is one of the best airlines in the world.

Mexico will still be part of JAL's network through their codeshare with fellow OneWorld partner, Mexicana.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7567 times:



Quoting NYCAdvantage (Reply 6):
I think their best be is code share it with either AA or DL from JFK or LAX with DL, and salvage some of the revenues if any.

Dunno. The U.S. visa requirement is a hassle for Mexicans willing to go to Japan via U.S. connecting points. MX has 9x weekly MEX-YVR service... perhaps YVR could be the best connecting point for JL NRT-YVR and MX YVR-MEX services (and vice versa).

If JL defects to SkyTeam, they will not need to worry much about finding a suitable connecting point because of AM's flights to NRT.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7457 times:



Quoting NYCAdvantage (Reply 6):
I think their best be is code share it with either AA or DL from JFK or LAX with DL, and salvage some of the revenues if any.

it will depend on which is selected as alliance partner

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 11):
If JL defects to SkyTeam, they will not need to worry much about finding a suitable connecting point because of AM's flights to NRT.

correct... and perhap it is AM that made it much harder for JL to make MEX work. AM has not figured in the Skyteam talks publicly but t isn't a stretch to think that JL is asking AM to revenue share as part of a Skyteam agreement.


User currently offlinePlaneguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Any chance of seeing EK serving MEX now that JAL is leaving?

User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7195 times:



Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 3):
AM has just increased its service to 3x weekly to cope with the extra demand and can soon be upping it to 4x weekly.

What aircraft does AM currently operate on this route? For a while, AM deployed a 767. Are they now using a 777?


User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7090 times:

Sad, sad day indeed. Sad

User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1386 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6986 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 11):
The U.S. visa requirement is a hassle for Mexicans willing to go to Japan via U.S. connecting points. MX has 9x weekly MEX-YVR service... perhaps YVR

EddieDude, currently obtaining a Canadian visa is a much more demanding process than a US one. Besides Canadian visas are issued only for one entry in 6 months, while Americans are unlimited entries for 10 years



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6986 times:



Quoting JAL (Reply 10):

Shame, since JAL is one of the best airlines in the world.

Sorry? Definitely NOT! This airline needs to change so much to cater more to international customers, better IFE, better catering, better language skills with Japanese staffs, better website, better organisation structure etc, etc,
The airline is far from being among the top airlines in the world...



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User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6834 times:

Can someone tell us about JAL's history to MEX? I'm wondering if JAL ever flew to MEX via LAX when JAL had a mini-hub set up at LAX in the late 70s and early 80s?


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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 848 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6823 times:

I will never forget shortly after moving to ELP, I was outside on a crisp winter day when out of the northwest up high came a heavy leaving a nice contrail. After passing over and down into Mexico I wondered for a long time who it was. Then a few weeks later I was out again and this time it was going NW, so I ran inside and turned on my scanner. Hearing JL011 calling SFO arinc with a position report over Becon intersection. WOW was that a blast finding out who it was. So every Monday/Thursday afternoon Id watch it go south, and return the following day. After moving to ABQ, it was difficult to catch them only on real clear days and they would pass off to the west about 30 miles or more, I could see a distant contrail, and if I grabbed my binocculars I could watch them pass by. Oh those were the days.
JD CRPXE



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User currently offlineTheducks From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

Does anyone know what the deal is with the slightly different coloured panel above "PAN" in "JAPAN AIRLINES" on the starboard side of the plane? I noticed it on this plane while it was flying through Vancouver a few weeks ago, and haven't found anything written about it.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6493 times:



Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 16):
EddieDude, currently obtaining a Canadian visa is a much more demanding process than a US one. Besides Canadian visas are issued only for one entry in 6 months, while Americans are unlimited entries for 10 years

Ah, true Pedro, thanks for that! I completely forgot about that. I was just in Canada last week but I did not have to worry about entry because of my E.U. passport. Yeah, a friend who works for the Canadian embassy in Mexico City said they basically have a clown approving visa applications and this guy doesn't even see if all the requirements are met, he just randomly approves some applications and rejects some!

I don't understand why Canada doesn't loosen up the visa requirement for transitting passengers. I am sure there has to be some Mexico-Europe and Mexico-Asia traffic routed via Canada!



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6356 times:



Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 16):
EddieDude, currently obtaining a Canadian visa is a much more demanding process than a US one. Besides Canadian visas are issued only for one entry in 6 months, while Americans are unlimited entries for 10 years

There are multiple entry visas good for 5 years. Transit visas are free. I fully agree that it's a cumbersome process, though.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 21):
Yeah, a friend who works for the Canadian embassy in Mexico City said they basically have a clown approving visa applications and this guy doesn't even see if all the requirements are met, he just randomly approves some applications and rejects some!

I sincerely hope that's not completely accurate. I'll have to apply for a freaking visa soon and I wouldn't want the aforementioned clown to deny it!
 eek 


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6291 times:



Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 3):
JAL has kept the route purely for political reasons for the past few years.

One of my biggest suprises, upon visiting México, D. F. for the first time, is how many Japanese live there, running little shops and the like...  Smile



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineMagorga From Brazil, joined Sep 2008, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6291 times:

I really don't think JAL will leave GRU anytime soon. Sao Paulo is home to the largest Japanese community outside of Japan in the world ! And besides competition, the 1st leg (GRU-JFK) is a cash-cow ? Or am I wrong ?

25 AM744 : I didn't know that and I live here! I know there are thousands of Korean and Chinese nationals, though, specially in the downtown area.
26 Viscount724 : Yes, for many years after CP dropped YVR-MEX and until MX started service a few years ago, JL had the only nonstop service. It's unusual for a 5th fr
27 NYCAdvantage : when you talk GRU JL used to FLY NRT-JFK-GRU why they did not code share with AA, this is one problem OneWorld has to address soon, that said, it is
28 Viscount724 : JL still operates NRT-JFK-GRU 3 days a week. AA probably sees no need to codeshare on those flights since they operate themselves daily leaving at al
29 NYCAdvantage : Quite honestly I don't know, maybe that was the reason, but they could have arranged that connection from Japan and then have bilateral code share ar
30 XA744 : Well, it's been a long time for me without posting on A.nett.... JAL's first Latin American scheduled service started March 15, 1972, operating 3X (
31 XA744 : Correction, please... Should read: " The Mexico adventure, for Japan Airlines, went on for almost 38 years, until... " Best regards
32 Airutopia : "Quoting The777Man (Reply 1): Perhaps JL can return at a later time ? I hope it's a goodbye and not a farewell " IN COMETH THE 787 DREAMLINER in a few
33 EddieDude : Dunno if this was just a hyperbole of my friend when trying to say that there is no assurance you will get it even if you submit all of the correct p
34 LipeGIG : If both code-share, AA would be able to fly: JFK-GRU JFK-GIG 4x weekly, allowing connections on a 4x weekly MIA-GIG-CNF and giving CNF daily service
35 SJOtoLIR : JAL has recently expanded its mutual code-share agreement with MX: .................ROUTE MX.........................Code-share.................MX Op
36 Post contains links and images LatinPlane : Water canon salute from MEX for 37 years of service. Photos property of Ivan Cabrero - Air Team Photos
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