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OAG Changes 1/15/2010: AS/B6/CO/F9/FL/UA/WN/WP  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6926 times:

This compares what is for sale this week for the stated period versus what was for sale the prior week...NOT the prior year.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airliens are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Please take it easy on any typos...

AS
PDX-SMF 4>5 MAY-

B6
BOS-CLT 1>2 APR
BOS-IAD 5>6 APR
BOS-MCO 5>6 JUL-
BOS-PIT 2>3 JUN-
BOS-TPA 2>3 JUL-
BUF-MCO 1>2 JUL-
IAD-LGB 1>2 MAY-

CO
FLL-ELH 1>3 FEB-
FLL-NAS 4>1 FEB-
FLL-TCB 9/WK>2 FEB-
PBI-TLH 0>2 FEB-

F9
DEN-DFW 5>6 MAY-
DEN-MDW 4>5 MAY-

FL
ATL-FLL 9>8 APR-JUN
ATL-HPN 2>3 APR-JUN
ATL-PBI 3>2 APR-
BOS-MCO 2>1 APR-
BWI-PBI 1>0 APR-
BWI-RSW 2>1 APR-
CAK-FLL 4/WK>0 APR-JUL
CMH-RSW 2>1 APR-JUL
FNT-FLL 1>0 APR-JUL
HPN-PBI 1>1 APR-JUL
MCO-IND 5>4 APR-JUN
MCO-PIT 3>2 APR-JUN
MDW-RSW 3>2 APR-JUN

UA
ANC-DEN 0>1 JUN-
ANC-ORD 0>1 MAY-
ANC-SFO ->1 JUN-
ORD-MSN 8>9 APR-
ORD-SFO 9>10 MAY-
SFO-AUS 1>2 APR-
SFO-FAT 7>6 APR-

WN
PHX-SNA 8>7 APR-

WP
LIH-HNL 0>2 FEB-
MKK-JHM 0>1 FEB-
MKK-LNY 0>1 FEB-
LIH-OGG 3>1 FEB-
HNL-MKK 5>7 FEB-
OGG-HNL 2>0 FEB-

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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6802 times:

Most of those reductions on the FL side is something that happens seasonally as the focus shifts the 737's more for flying to the west coast and back on the heavier biz routes. Think less funneling people to Florida more balanced network capacity.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6752 times:

Also, I believe DL/NW are in a schedule freeze as part of their transition to a single res system; therefore, it is not likely to see updates from them for several weeks.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6631 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 2):
Also, I believe DL/NW are in a schedule freeze as part of their transition to a single res system; therefore, it is not likely to see updates from them for several weeks.

Correct. Due to reservations cutover - the transition to a single res system and removing the NW code there won't be any schedule changes until the end of the month.

Last weekend they cutover all flights and reservations from 9/5/10 and beyond.
I believe this weekend they will move over another block of reservations and flights, more current.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6091 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6488 times:

Note, the SFO-AUS service is a loss in mainline service. It will go from 1 daily A319 to 2 daily CR7.


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6352 times:



Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 1):
Most of those reductions on the FL side is something that happens seasonally as the focus shifts the 737's more for flying to the west coast and back on the heavier biz routes. Think less funneling people to Florida more balanced network capacity.

Where are the corresponding additions to the business routes then? I only count one frequency addition in that whole list of cuts. Are they parking 717s this spring going into summer?


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6266 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 5):
Where are the corresponding additions to the business routes then?

They haven't been loaded yet. It's not all done at once. This happens every year as FL shifts some capacity away from Florida, but it takes a little time to decide exactly what routes to reallocate it to...plus any potential new routes/stations.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 5):
Are they parking 717s this spring going into summer?

No. FL's ASM's will be up 3-4% for 2010. In fact, FL is actually hiring a small number of pilots to cover the increased flying.


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5899 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 6):
They haven't been loaded yet. It's not all done at once. This happens every year as FL shifts some capacity away from Florida, but it takes a little time to decide exactly what routes to reallocate it to...plus any potential new routes/stations.

I'm definitely hoping for some new routes.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 6):
No. FL's ASM's will be up 3-4% for 2010. In fact, FL is actually hiring a small number of pilots to cover the increased flying.

I didn't think they were, I was just asking the poster where planes were going.


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5604 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 4):
Note, the SFO-AUS service is a loss in mainline service. It will go from 1 daily A319 to 2 daily CR7

ouch seems like an awfully long time on a CR7, are they upgraded with F seats?


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5532 times:
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Quoting EwRkId (Reply 8):

yes, and a comfortable ride



okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5445 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 6):
They haven't been loaded yet. It's not all done at once.

I agree that is their normal pattern. It is also possible they already had both loaded and just now removed the chaff. They did a bunch of transcon adds a few weeks ago.


User currently offlineFedExFlyerPHL From United States of America, joined May 2008, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5424 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
FL
ATL-FLL 9>8 APR-JUN
ATL-HPN 2>3 APR-JUN
ATL-PBI 3>2 APR-
BOS-MCO 2>1 APR-
BWI-PBI 1>0 APR-
BWI-RSW 2>1 APR-
CAK-FLL 4/WK>0 APR-JUL
CMH-RSW 2>1 APR-JUL
FNT-FLL 1>0 APR-JUL
HPN-PBI 1>1 APR-JUL
MCO-IND 5>4 APR-JUN
MCO-PIT 3>2 APR-JUN
MDW-RSW 3>2 APR-JUN

Any chance either or both of ABE's routes (MCO/FLL) will go daily this summer or if they'll add ATL?

Jeff



ABE ATL AUA AUS BHM BOS BUR BWI CLT DFW EWR HOU IAD JAN JAX LAX LGB MEM MCI MCO MDW MGW MSP MSY ORD PHL PIT SJU SNA STL
User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 696 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5059 times:



Quoting EwRkId (Reply 8):
ouch seems like an awfully long time on a CR7, are they upgraded with F seats?



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 9):
yes, and a comfortable ride

Only up to a point. AUS-SFO is almost 1500 miles and clocks in around 4 hours with the Airbus. As much as I love the CRJ for short and almost-medium flights, I cannot imagine being in one for 4 hours.

The flight is designed to connect to and from the international bank, which would imply customers with large and heavy luggage. I wonder if they will have to take a weight restriction?

I tried non-revving on this flight earlier this summer. I didn't get on, but the gate agent said it usually goes out with a few empty seats, although it's pretty popular with the int'l connections. (Insert standard disclaimer that full planes do not equal profitable flights).

I wonder if the tech economy in AUS is really that bad? Didn't B6 or VX announce they will start or have started flights in the same market? Wonder if UA is feeling the heat?



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5009 times:



Quoting FedExFlyerPHL (Reply 11):
Any chance either or both of ABE's routes (MCO/FLL) will go daily this summer or if they'll add ATL?

I'd like to see the same thing at CRW.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4979 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 7):


Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 6):
They haven't been loaded yet. It's not all done at once. This happens every year as FL shifts some capacity away from Florida, but it takes a little time to decide exactly what routes to reallocate it to...plus any potential new routes/stations.

I'm definitely hoping for some new routes.

I would bet more MKE routes.


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4758 times:



Quoting Quickmover (Reply 14):
I would bet more MKE routes.

MKE is only so big of a market right now. I honestly dont see too many more holes in the route map that could be filled outside of a few more Florida cities.. MIA, PBI, SRQ. But I doubt theyd do MIA and PBI. What's really left from MKE though... HOU? PHL?....*gulp* RDU?


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4598 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 15):


Quoting Quickmover (Reply 14):
I would bet more MKE routes.

MKE is only so big of a market right now. I honestly dont see too many more holes in the route map that could be filled outside of a few more Florida cities.. MIA, PBI, SRQ. But I doubt theyd do MIA and PBI. What's really left from MKE though... HOU? PHL?....*gulp* RDU?

I'm just thinking that since they made the big announcement about MKE being their newest hub and crew base, they mentioned further expansion. I have no idea where, but perhaps they will be adding more frequency for connections.

Maybe they have more MCO expansion in mind to G4 type markets?


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4495 times:



Quoting FedExFlyerPHL (Reply 11):
Any chance either or both of ABE's routes (MCO/FLL) will go daily this summer or if they'll add ATL?

I think if they were going to increase ABE-Florida they would have done it in peak season. ATL, maybe...

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 16):
I'm just thinking that since they made the big announcement about MKE being their newest hub and crew base, they mentioned further expansion.

I think they are neutral on aircraft this year, so unless they close a station I would not expect much excitement from them.


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

FL has a lot of slack in Aircraft utilization so yes they can add more markets. I think you have to look at MKE more of a hub that yes rely's on O&D but also More of a connecting point. I think we will see some interesting cities being routed through MKE where they have more slack with gates versus ATL also id expect a couple of Carribean destinations, and maybe even some of the Mexican cities in the sub service program being kept.

The planes will not be parked however there will be some that will be taken out for the seating mods(All leather). I think airtran will surprise you. Its been made very very clear if they get a great deal on planes particularly on the used arena they will act accordingly and they do have the funds to do it so we shall see.  Smile



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6091 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3881 times:



Quoting EwRkId (Reply 8):

Yes, all the CR7 have First Class seats. This is actually a return to express service. SFO-AUS was launched with 1 daily CR7,then 2 daily, then upgraded to 1 mainline A319. From what I have gathered with another entrant into the AUS-Bay Area market (AS to SJC) we can now offer business passengers two departure times. The route has sone very well for United, thats for sure.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineCIDFLYER From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2272 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

Anyone have a line on when the res cutover for DL/NW will be complete and the NW website is closed? I know they said end of January but I have heard as early as next week sometime. Is this still in line to happen?

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22723 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3390 times:



Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 18):
I think you have to look at MKE more of a hub that yes rely's on O&D but also More of a connecting point. I think we will see some interesting cities being routed through MKE where they have more slack with gates versus ATL also id expect a couple of Carribean destinations, and maybe even some of the Mexican cities in the sub service program being kept.

Aside from the Caribbean, Mexico, MSY, and HOU, I don't see many interesting opportunities on flights of more than about 500 miles from MKE, so I think I'd look for more shorthaul additions. Maybe MCI/DTW/CMH?



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3367 times:



Quoting CIDFLYER (Reply 20):
Anyone have a line on when the res cutover for DL/NW will be complete and the NW website is closed?

Later rather than sooner I hope, the delta.com site is cr@p IMHO compared to nwa.com.


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3341 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 17):
I think if they were going to increase ABE-Florida they would have done it in peak season. ATL, maybe...


ABE, CRW, AVL, and TYS still had "new route smell" so to speak during peak season. FL probably didn't want to dump any more seats into these cities given their introductory sale pricing.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):
Aside from the Caribbean, Mexico, MSY, and HOU, I don't see many interesting opportunities on flights of more than about 500 miles from MKE, so I think I'd look for more shorthaul additions. Maybe MCI/DTW/CMH?

I have a feeling MCI would be a tough egg to crack. DTW too for that matter. CMH could probably be a Skywest city. But I have a feeling they dont want to "help" the CAK-MKE route in that fashion.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22723 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3339 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 23):
I have a feeling MCI would be a tough egg to crack.

If they feel they can compete with WN on MKE-BWI, I don't see why MKE-MCI should be different.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 KcrwFlyer : I was under the impression that was a pretty solid YX route.
26 Cubsrule : I've seen no evidence that YX has any bearing on their MKE route planning (we can argue about whether that's a good choice or not, but it seems to be
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