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2010 Boeing Orders And Deliveries - Part 1  
User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 47774 times:

The intent of this thread is to capture and discuss 2010 Boeing Orders and Deliveries.

Here is a snapshot of the cumulative orders for current models at the start of this year.

Cumulative Boeing Orders
As of January 1 2010B737B747B767B777B787
Cumulative Orders8338152610411117851



This is a synopsis of the current unidentified wide-body orders. (Too many narrow bodies UFOs).







Boeing Unidentified Widebody Orders as of 31-Dec-2009
(Excludes BBJ/VIP Customer Orders)
Row
Id
Date of Order
yyyy-mm-dd
 B767 
B777
B787
 763  76F  77L  77W  77F  788  789 
A2007-01-03   4    
B2007-01-18      2 
C2008-09-17 9   2   
D2008-09-19       
E2008-09-22       
F2008-12-05    2  15
G2009-02-27    2   
H2009-03-18   1    
I2009-05-18   1    
J2009-06-30 2      
K2009-10-20    2   
L2009-12-21       1
M2009-12-22      10 
Totals 11 0 6 8 0 12 16
 11
 14
 28


Previous speculation, guesses, insights etc. by various contributers


A. Royal Brunei (this is almost certain)

B. Someone on this board knows but he is not commenting

C. Possibly JAL. Note: Ten UFO B738s were also ordered on same day.

D. A former UFO 77F was cancelled in Dec 2009. (Oak Hill Capital)

E. A former UFO 77W is now confirmed as being for Ethihad

F. Possible new 787 customer. Hamlet69 has a cogent argument for EgyptAir

G. Possibly TAM (unconfirmed)

H. Someone on this board knows but he is not commenting

I. A reliable source says this is not the same customer as H

J. JAL? LAN? Probably not ANA though

K. ?

L. ? Engine choice is RR and this is obviously an add-on order.

M. ?




Here is the first order update for the year.





2010 Boeing Orders Summary
Through 12-Jan-2010B737B747B767B777B787Total
2010 Gross Orders10----10
Order Changes------
2010 Net Orders10----10
Ten new unidentified 737s




[Edited 2010-01-15 17:00:50 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 47389 times:

Weekly Update:

There was no changes posted in the weekly update. The ten 737s ordered last week remain unidentified but someone posted yesterday in another thread that these may be for Ethiopian.




2010 Boeing Orders Summary
Through 19-Jan-2010B737B747B767B777B787Total
2010 Gross Orders10----10
Order Changes------
2010 Net Orders10----10
No changes this week


Unidentified wide-body orders (refer to table in the OP of this thread)

1. In the aftermath of the JAL bankruptcy filing, the 9x763 and 2x77W of Row C have been positively confirmed in the Boeing database as having being ordered by JAL (along with the ten previously UFO 737-800s that were ordered on the same day).

2. Row J (2 x763s) remains unidentified, so it is not JAL. Not likely to be ANA either because ANA have disclosed orders for 763s and 772s in December after this order. So LAN would appear to be the strongest candidate for Row J.

3. The candidates for Row L (789 w/ RR) are NZ, BA, VS, LAN Nakash/Arkia or even ILFC.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 47210 times:



Quoting WestWing (Reply 1):
or even ILFC

ILFC still have scores of unplaced 787s. Hard to see them needing to add a single frame. My hunch (and that's all it is) is that it's Arkia.


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 47130 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 2):
ILFC still have scores of unplaced 787s. Hard to see them needing to add a single frame. My hunch (and that's all it is) is that it's Arkia.

You are correct that the customer unlikely to be ILFC ....

I think we have two A.Netters who are very close to Nakash/Arkia. Now if the truth is that the single 789 order is NOT for Arkia, then I hope one or both of these A.Netters are able to help us by categorically stating here that the UFO order is not for Arkia. I fully understand that we may not be able to get a positive confirmation if the truth is that the order is for Arkia.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 46964 times:

I'm guessing Arkia simply because it was reported quite some time ago (a year or two) that Nakash were looking to double their existing order for two 787-9s. That never happened but I assume they remained interested.

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 46667 times:

Boeing published their weekly update with no new orders in the week ending 26-Jan-2010.

The ten 737s ordered earlier this month were positively identified as being for Ethiopian. Boeing had issued a positive, upbeat press release last Friday confirming the Ethiopian order but this press release was quietly expunged from the Boeing website in the wake of the tragic Ethiopian 737 crash in Lebanon just two days later.



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User currently offlineArabAirX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 46539 times:



Quoting WestWing (Reply 5):
Boeing had issued a positive, upbeat press release last Friday confirming the Ethiopian order but this press release was quietly expunged from the Boeing website in the wake of the tragic Ethiopian 737 crash in Lebanon just two days later.

The press release is still there  

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1042


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 46511 times:

Those two 77W for TAM is the worst kept secret of all time. They are listed in their quarterly reports since they were ordered.

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 46465 times:



Quoting ArabAirX (Reply 6):
The press release is still there

Thank you for providing the link. The original press release about the Ethiopian 737 order was Item=1038 , this one is item=1042. So I still believe Boeing did, in fact, delete the news release from the website but have now re-posted it.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
Those two 77W for TAM is the worst kept secret of all time. They are listed in their quarterly reports since they were ordered.

Thank you. Does the TAM financial report also indicate which month/year the two 77Ws were ordered?



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 46324 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
Those two 77W for TAM is the worst kept secret of all time. They are listed in their quarterly reports since they were ordered.

Hey for all the Airbus planes TAM has in its fleet I am glad they are getting Boeing 777 planes.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 46092 times:



Quoting WestWing (Reply 8):
Does the TAM financial report also indicate which month/year the two 77Ws were ordered?

Well, in the third quarter of 2008, the financial report indicate that there would be 8 77W in the fleet in 2013, but since then the fourth quarter of 2008, it shows that there will be 10 77W. You can see it for yourself:

3Q08 http://mrm.comunique-se.com.br/arq/89/arq_89_6964.pdf

4Q08: http://mrm.comunique-se.com.br/arq/89/arq_89_7136.pdf


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 45928 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 10):
Well, in the third quarter of 2008, the financial report indicate that there would be 8 77W in the fleet in 2013, but since then the fourth quarter of 2008, it shows that there will be 10 77W. You can see it for yourself:
3Q08 http://mrm.comunique-se.com.br/arq/89/arq_89_6964.pdf
4Q08: http://mrm.comunique-se.com.br/arq/8...6.pdf

Thank you for the links. They provide a very strong indication that the 2009-02-27 order is for TAM since the 4Q08 report is dated 31-Mar-2009. It should be mentioned that while it is theoretically possible that the 2008-12-05 order for 787s and 77Ws is by two separate customers with the 77Ws being for TAM, but that is (in my opinion) less likely than the simpler explanation that the 2009-02-27 order is the one for TAM. Muito obrigado! (I hope I got that right).



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 45901 times:



Quoting WestWing (Reply 11):
Muito obrigado! (I hope I got that right).

De nada. (Yes, you did!)


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 45616 times:

Boeing have published their monthly update to the db for end of January as well as the weekly update. No new orders were recorded in the last week, and the only orders in January were the ten 737-800s for Ethiopian. Here is a snapshot of cumulative orders (all time) at the end of January

Cumulative Boeing Orders
As of January 31 2010B737B747B767B777B787
Cumulative Orders8348152610411117851

and the weekly update:
2010 Boeing Orders Summary
Through 02-Feb-2010B737B747B767B777B787Total
2010 Gross Orders10----10
Order Changes------
2010 Net Orders10----10
No changes this week



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 45447 times:
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Does anyone have further news on Garuda taking up to 10 77Ws? Please refer to the following report;

The airline will also introduce 10 B777-300ERs on new ultra long-range flights starting 2011 as it expands its international network.

Source

I saw on twitter that these will be taken instead of any 787s.

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 45384 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 14):
Does anyone have further news on Garuda taking up to 10 77Ws?

Just what it says on the Boeing website. Ten firm orders.

You'll remember that the 1996 order was originally for -200ERs (with GE) but was repeatedly and indefinitely postponed. Then, my memory tells me, there was a plan to drop that order for 777s in favour of 787s. Then (!), the second order for 777s (now -300ERs) was placed in 2008.

I think it's one of those "let's believe this when the planes are delivered" on/off orders...


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 45321 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 15):
You'll remember that the 1996 order was originally for -200ERs (with GE) but was repeatedly and indefinitely postponed. Then, my memory tells me, there was a plan to drop that order for 777s in favour of 787s. Then (!), the second order for 777s (now -300ERs) was placed in 2008.

I think it's one of those "let's believe this when the planes are delivered" on/off orders...

Thank you for the clarification PM, I totally missed the 2008 77W order. I agree it is a wait and see as they also have furher NB deliveries scheduled too

Regards

Paul



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 45297 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 14):
Does anyone have further news on Garuda taking up to 10 77Ws?

They placed an order for six 77Ws in 2005 and four more in 2008. At that time (2005), they also placed an MoU/RoI for 10 787s, but never firmed that order. So it's not truly a cancellation as Garuda never held a firm order for the 787.

I did notice that Boeing booked 10 UFO 787s in December 2009, so I wonder if those were slots being reserved for Garuda, but subsequently became available when they decided not to consummate the deal, so Boeing was able to accomodate another customer?

[Edited 2010-02-04 17:44:17]

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 45292 times:

Does this refer to the 2008 77W order as well or will they buy even more T7's?

"Garuda Indonesia confirmed yesterday that it has canceled its orders for 10 787s. The order originally was placed in September 2005.

President and CEO Emirsyah Satar told ATWOnline here that the commitment has been swapped for 10 777-300ER orders. "We simply couldn't wait for the 787," he said. "

http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=19269



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 45220 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 14):
Does anyone have further news on Garuda taking up to 10 77Ws?

The first of these aircraft should be delivered as soon as Q4 2010 and will be deployed on the CGK AMS route.


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 44963 times:

There is a new 777-300ER on the PAE ramp with a partially painted rudder that is almost certainly EgyptAir livery.
It is the one next to Qatar in this photograph: http://paineairport.com/kpae2738.htm

Now EgyptAir had canceled their direct 77W orders with Boeing and bought 737s instead, so this aircraft is either

(a) intended to be leased from one of the leasing companies; or
(b) maybe the 2x77W of RowId F of the UFO table are for MS. (Hamlet69 thinks the 15x789s same day are for MS).

[Edited 2010-02-05 10:37:06]


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User currently offlineramzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 44894 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 20):
There is a new 777-300ER on the PAE ramp with a partially painted rudder that is almost certainly EgyptAir livery.
It is the one next to Qatar in this photograph: http://paineairport.com/kpae2738.htm

I don't think that's the Egypt Air livery.



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 44886 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 20):
Now EgyptAir had canceled their direct 77W orders

Before they ordered the 77Ws directly from Boeing, they had already agreed to lease 6 77Ws from GECAS. So this is the first of these 6 leased 77Ws.

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User currently offlineArabAirX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 44885 times:

Quoting ramzi (Reply 21):
I don't think that's the Egypt Air livery.

I think you'll find it is.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2008/q3/080828c_pr.html

 


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Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 44851 times:

Quoting ArabAirX (Reply 23):
I think you'll find it is.

I stand corrected. I'm aware of the livery change but I didn't recognize the colors in the photo as they appear fainter  



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25 Post contains links WestWing : Ah yes, Thank you ! I ought to have remembered this because the GECAS 777s were discussed in this thread from last year: Gecas Converts Two Orders To
26 The777Man : Here's an idea for some of the UFO 777 orders: This is from another thread: Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 52): I read on another forum that DT plans to co
27 WestWing : Boeing published their weekly update for the week ending Feb-09-2010 with no new orders recorded. I do not know if TAAG Angola are the customer for an
28 WestWing : Another dry week (ending Feb-16-2010) with no new orders for Boeing Commercial Airplanes. I still try to post her when the update is released even if
29 Post contains links WestWing : Boeing have posted the confirmed order for United's (previously announced) 25 787s and 20 UFO 737s this week. Boeing press release about the United 78
30 Post contains links Stitch : And in the weekly "UFO Report", the 777 spreadsheet at www.airliners.net shows two new 77W registrations assigned to NH (JA788A and JA789A) so they mi
31 WestWing : Where can I see this weekly UFO report spreadsheet? Is it only available to First Class members? Thanks.
32 Post contains links Stitch : Sorry. It's available at www.airlinerlist.com/
33 WestWing : Here is a consolidated set of the guesses/comments/etc. against the table of unidentified wide-body orders displayed in the thread starter - includes
34 WestWing : Boeing have published their weekly database update, but have not yet published the monthly update for Feb 2010.
35 Post contains links WestWing : A couple of revelations in the monthly update. a. The 10 787-8 order from Dec last year (Row Id M in the UFO table) was placed by the Republic of Iraq
36 WestWing : In the weekly update released today, Boeing recorded three new UFO 737s and one 777 cancellation. They also updated the current weekly view to reflect
37 Post contains images Hamlet69 : In addition, Boeing identified the U.S. Navy as being behind x2 737-700C and x1 737-800 UFO orders from 2008. No, these have been publically known fo
38 WestWing : All negative for Boeing this week with ten 787 cancellations and four 737 cancellations. Are the 737 cancels also AB ?
39 Post contains links and images Hamlet69 : Another possible clue towards one of the UFO 777 orders - Iraqi Airways? In an article published today, the Iraqi Minister of Transportation, Mr. Amer
40 The777Man : Perhaps because delivery is fairly soon ? If delivery is say within 18 months of today, they may still want to leave it UFO until delivery for compet
41 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Possible. However, my understanding of the Iraqi situation was that they were going to be receiving many of the 737's first, in order to build up the
42 WestWing : Interesting. At present there are orders for 30 x 737 and 10 x 787 announced for Iraq. If the Reuters story is accurate about 55 aircraft then there
43 allegro : The 77W's are for near term long haul lift. Other (than LHR) desttinations for these 77W's might be: IAD, IAH, JFK, PEK ... and at some point you wil
44 WestWing : Boeing released their weekly update showing no changes to their order book for the period ending March 23rd.
45 Post contains images ikramerica : That's better than last week!
46 Post contains links WestWing : This recent story about Turkmenistan Airlines notes that they have one 77W on order. So did Turkmenistan quietly convert their 77L order to a 77W in M
47 PM : Sorry if the answer is right under my nose and I can't see it for looking too hard but can anyone tell me who is flying the 77F delivered to Oak Hill
48 Stitch : I think they might have gone to Southern Air Holdings (whom Oak Hill is a majority shareholder) which is leasing them to Thai Cargo.
49 Post contains links WestWing : To add to Stitch's comment - the last para of this press release mentions the Oak Hill connection.
50 PM : Ah, that makes sense. Thank you both!
51 PM : Week ending March 30. 40 737s for Virgin Blue but two more 777 cancellations. (Where's WestWing??!)
52 WestWing : Just busy during the day. Here is this week's information that you already posted but formatted as a table. So who were the two 777 cancellations? It
53 Post contains links n1786b : To clear up the discrepancies between the press reporting the Virgin Blue as 50 firm yet only 40 booked on the web site, this was published on ATWonli
54 Post contains images scbriml : In other words, the 10 are not firm.
55 Post contains images n1786b : I don't think Boeing never called them "firm" but Virgin did. If we were to apply that rule to the A380, how may "firm orders" would there be? ILFC c
56 Post contains images scbriml : Yes, I didn't make myself clear. The "spin" was aimed at Virgin Blue. As this thread is about Boeing, the question would be better aimed at the 787 s
57 Baroque : Care to unscranlbe the negatives there. Did B call them firm Yes/No? Did Virgin call them firm Yes/No? Thanks. Signed B Wildered
58 fun2fly : My guess is CO. 2 777's in 2010 will be it. 6 788's in 2011 and all 787's from there out.
59 n1786b : I'll "unscranlbe" them - sorry an extra -n- in there "I don't think Boeing ever.."
60 WestWing : That is a good guess. Of course we will know for sure by next week. I do not remember whether all the previous CO 777 cancellations had concurrent ne
61 Post contains images Hamlet69 : V Australia. Just confirmed. Also, as speculated, CO was behind the earlier single 777 cancellation. I have not looked at the 737 cancellations yet.
62 Stitch : So with VA only having five instead of seven planned 77Ws, are there any planned routes that they are now not going to launch? Like maybe MEL-CPT? Or
63 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Your guess is as good as mine. The only other possibility I can imagine would be they cancelled these to conserve cash, but will be leasing frames in
64 WestWing : It would appear that N449BA was (atleast on the books) delivered to Air France before entering service with FedEx since AF are shown as having receive
65 The777Man : SYD-NAN is already a 77W and works very well operational wise as they can do a SYD-NAN-SYD turn before flying back to LAX in the evening. Too bad wit
66 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Having time to investigate further, the x4 cancellations in March were for Middle-Eastern start-up RAK Airways. Can't say I have paid too much attent
67 Stitch : It appears they were behind the 6 UFOs ordered on 2008.03.18, the 11 UFOs ordered on 2008.07.28 and the 11 UFOs ordered on 2009.09.30.
68 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Correct! Also, as we delve down into the nitty-gritty, the UFO customer from 2008.02.20 converted 1 -800 to a -700. I do expect this customer (as wel
69 Post contains images scbriml : Hmm, not sure they were ever going to come to anything. I met one of their top execs at Ras Al Khaimah airport back in Feb 2007, when they were just
70 aircellist : 8049 737 ordered as of March 31st? And, what? All current models north of 1000 copies, save for the one which is not in service yet, which is 134 copi
71 Post contains links winglets747 : V is saying the aircraft, while on paper have been canceled, have been delayed until 2012 to suit market needs better. http://www.flightglobal.com/bl
72 Stitch : Boeing recorded a UFO order for a dozen 777s today, which are likely 777-300ERs intended for EK based on comments by Chairman Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed a
73 Post contains links WestWing : Lots of speculation about the 12 x 777 UFO customer(s) and type(s) of 777s may be found in this other thread: Mystery 777 Order (12 a/c), Possibly for
74 WestWing : Boeing recorded no orders in the week ending April 20 2010. I noticed on Matt Cawby's recent videos that a third EVA Air 77W has joined her two sister
75 JerseyFlyer : To operate alongside new A332Fs! This may become a common pattern, 777F for long routes, 332F for regional. But I do wonder about the economics of lo
76 Stitch : Yes it is, but the 777 Freighter does lift more by size and weight than anything other than a 747-family freighter so an operator can just pack it fu
77 Stitch : CO released their 1Q 2010 financials and a poster on another site noted that CO stated they would take delivery of 56 737s while Boeing only shows the
78 flyTUITravel : Why is it certain that the 4 unidentified 77L are Royal Brunei? And you'd think these aircraft would be ready for delivery by now seeing as they were
79 WestWing : It is "certain" that the 4 x 77L order is for Royal Brunei because some members of this board - who are known to have reliable sources - have hinted
80 Stitch : LY cancelled four 77Es. They will apply the monies towards a future Boeing order (787s?). Boeing also recorded two additional 777 UFO orders this week
81 Post contains links Stitch : Which are probably TAAG Angola's.
82 Hamlet69 : Nope. According to the press release, ordered last year. So one of the UFO's on the table in the thread starter. Hamlet69
83 WestWing : And it should be recalled The777Man correctly guessed (TAAG) in post 26 above. Bravo! There is strong evidence (see reply 10) that TAM Brasil's annou
84 Flying-Tiger : Do I understand it correctly that LAN is going to drop 4x B767-300ER? http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=comm&id=new
85 windshear : I am curious as to how or why there are still coming in 767 orders, when the plane is almost a decade older than the 747-400? If I got a brand new 767
86 The777Man : Thanks for your nice comments! Yes, I think it does mean that the pre-2010 orders are now identified; I think that TAM's order has to be one of the U
87 Stitch : Well they technically don't need them, now that they have agreed to take four of NH's early tranche 787-8s. LN016 is being painted in their colors as
88 windshear : So what? the 767 is ancient. And what about NH then, it is a step back in time, yet the aircraft is brand new. Is the price lower at least? Boaz.
89 Stitch : So LA and NH should spend billions to purchase and support 70% full A330-200s for a handful of years before they receive their 787s (which they also
90 Post contains links PM : Apologies if this has been noted before but, if it has, then I'm afraid I missed it. With regard to the unidentified 777s, I thought this was interest
91 The777Man : The three VIP 777s are two UFO 777-200/LR and the one ordered by Turkmenistan Airlines; the one 777-300/ER "ordered" was ordered and dleivered after
92 Post contains images PM : Oh. Bugger.
93 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Agreed. Unfortunately, there are several possibilities of where those may be lurking. First, of course, are the UFO's. They are: x15 -9's (05-12-08)
94 ikramerica : 20 777 UFOs listed today. Who are they for? And to repeat my joke, it must be a customer who hasn't heard the 777 is a dead aircraft.
95 Stitch : Might finally be EK pulling the trigger on their "large widebody" order they've been talking about.
96 aa1818 : On another thread someone said it was for LH Cargo...was that a joke? Apologies if it was an obvious joke which I didn't get. AA1818
97 Stitch : They do have 19 MD-11Fs so 20 777Fs would replace their entire fleet.
98 Post contains links Stitch : Boeing and RwandAir announced today an order for two Next-Generation 737-800s per Yahoo News. Since it was not in this week's update, it will show up
99 N328KF : Not to mention that LH Cargo owns part of Aerologic (with DHL), which does operate 777Fs.
100 N14AZ : Yes, I am also still wondering if it was a joke or not. Columba mentioned it would be announced during that LH-Boeing-Friendship-thing-day. Boeing wi
101 PlaneAdmirer : Did you notice that the old tired, can't possibly compete 737 has earned 70 sales so far this year in the face of the C-Series and the well announced
102 Post contains links WestWing : Here, in table form, is a snapshot of what was, on the whole, a happy week for Boeing with a net +16 777s. There is much speculation on whom the 20x77
103 Post contains images Hamlet69 : A little more info: April 13, 2010 x12 777-300ER April 30, 2010 x18 777-300ER April 30, 2010 x4 777F And yes, it doesn't match what Boeing listed on t
104 The777Man : Thanks for the info; there goes the idea with LH Cargo.....unless the orders from 30Apr is for the same customer and it's indeed LH who ordered the 7
105 Stitch : Perhaps FX ordered two 77Fs the week of April 27th and then decided to order two more immediately after, so Boeing just combined them? Though I admit
106 WestWing : One of the two 767-300ER UFOs ordered on 30-June-2009 has been switched to a freighter. It increases the confidence that the order was placed by LAN.
107 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Based on FX's SEC filing today (announcing the order of 4 more 777F's from Boeing, and 2 from a third party), I don't think there's any question the
108 Post contains links pilotfox : Here's a article on it FedEx cements plan to purchase six more 777Fs http://memphis.bizjournals.com/memph.../2010/05/03/daily23.html?ana=yfcpc
109 WestWing : Boeing have formally identified the April 30th 4x77F order as being for FedEx. The mystery of the 777 weekly order updates being 12+2+20 v/s the data
110 WestWing :
111 Stitch : Two more UFO 777s this week, for a Net of 31 and Gross of 38. Reports of the old girl's death seem to be exaggerated.
112 WarpSpeed : And, with a CFRP nip/tuck she'll have all the boys chasing after her....[Edited 2010-05-27 10:38:33]
113 Atlwest1 : I have a couple of questions. If a carrier was to firm up deliveries of frames on order that havent been built yet for delivery early next year when w
114 angelmonsteral : Im really interested and watching the orders of the 787 there are lots especially of ANA they are the ones who started the 787 but the Qatar airways i
115 Post contains links WestWing : Correction: In Reply 109 above (orders through 11-May-2010) the total should be 108 (not 116).
116 Post contains links Stitch : The Seattle Times is reporting Boeing is in the running to secure a 50-frame 737 order, however there appear to be a number of conditions and hurdles
117 Stitch : Looks like the UFO 737 from the May 18th report might be a 737-800 for Luxair Luxembourg Airlines, whom announced they signed an order today. The Yaho
118 Post contains images WestWing : With several customers who have chosen to remain incognito - for a total of 34 777s this year, it seems a bit out of proportion for Luxair & Boein
119 The777Man : Hi ! Boeing just updated their orders site for May and there are two orders for two 777-200/LRs each. Probably add on orders from existing customers ?
120 Stitch : As to the 77Ls - QR, DL or both?
121 Post contains images WestWing : Pure speculation: QR took delivery of their first 77F on 14th May. Perhaps senior staff from QR were present in the Puget Sound area to take part in t
122 Post contains links WarpSpeed : http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/ Light (net +4) but interesting order mix that includes a couple of 767s and a VIP 747-8i...![Edited 2010-0
123 vcjc : Definitely an interesting mix - any clue who the unidentified 767's are for?
124 iceberg210 : I'd assume the unidentified 767's would be a top up order for LAN, or ANA, or someone. Possibly UPS I suppose, although I doubt it. Could be some of t
125 WestWing : Recession, smecession, there are still people out there who can afford a shiny new 747-8i bizjet. Nice for Boeing to be able to wipe off the zeros in
126 Stitch : Those are certainly the likely suspects, but I thought NH recently reduced their outstanding 767-300ER order because of the surge of 787-8s they are
127 iceberg210 : True NH is probably less likely, but then again I'm not sure who else to suspect other than LAN or possibly Uzbekistan Airways as they still have a c
128 Post contains images frigatebird : Well, since both NH and LA will receive 787's next year, I don't think this UFO will be for the pax version. I wouldn't rule out UPS/DHL yet for a to
129 iceberg210 : A330's for DL? Perhaps, although with the way the way they've kept things quiet on that front I'd expect the next order in that segment for DL is 787
130 WestWing : I'm sorry for not remembering to post this earlier, but I normally make a note in this thread even if no orders were recorded (for future reference).
131 pnwtraveler : Air Canada has been making noises about the 787 delays this week with posts from the Winnipeg Free Press quoted in another thread, among others. I won
132 WestWing :
133 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Two new reports over the past few days. 1: Air China is to buy 20 new B737-800s Air China said Friday it has reached agreement with Boeing on an order
134 WestWing : Does anyone know which customer will receive B777 line no 888? In some cultures 8 is a very "lucky" number.
135 The777Man : Read an article today in last week's Aviation Week that Etihad has two 777-200/LRs on order so one of the two orders must be for Etihad. The777Man
136 Post contains links WarpSpeed : http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm Updates: 737 - 20 for Air China 777 - loss of 7. Wonder who declined the 777's?
137 ikramerica : My guess is that this is AA. They had 7 777s remaining to never be delivered, they have a pending 787-9 order that has never been finalized. Farnboro
138 Stitch : I'm hearing JL, who have 7 undelivered 77Ws on order.
139 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : The Seattle Times reports JAL as the carrier that cancelled 7 orders for the 777 By Dominic Gates - Seattle Times aerospace reporter Boeing announced
140 ikramerica : Well, those 7 AA birds will come off eventually...
141 WestWing : JAL still have nine 767-300ERs and 35 787-8s on order. I think the AA cancellation for their seven 777-200ERs, when it happens, will probably be in c
142 n1786b : Just posted.... Changes since last update: 44 new orders: Unidentified Customer(s) (43 737s) and Virgin Blue Airlines (one 737). Not bad....
143 fun2fly : That's funny. When are the seats coming on board? I can't imagine the lawsuits there. The last 777-200ER will likely get cancelled when the first 5 C
144 Chiad : The B737 is really selling well, even better than the A320. It used to be slightly different, but the saleswise the B737 now seemes to have the upper
145 ikramerica : The 737NG generally sells slightly better than the A320 outside of the EU. But it's a marginal advantage at best.
146 Post contains images allegro : If I had my way, it would be line no. 777 ... then fly it to vegas
147 Post contains images WestWing : Forty-three 737s, eh ? Perhaps the much rumored Southwest 737-800s. . It should be noted that the 43 are, in reality, at least two orders: a set of 18
148 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Wow. Of all the things I expected to see in this thread... Thanks, WestWing, for keeping tally.
149 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Just FYI: The x2 cancellation was Azerbaijan Airlines reducing their -900ER commitment in half. Regards, Hamlet69
150 Stitch : There was speculation on another site that they might have been behind the 767F order.
151 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Interesting. The timing would also make sense, as they received their first 767-300ER this month. . . Also of note, LAN has made a couple of changes:
152 WestWing : My guess (in post 106 above) was that those 2 UFOs were for LAN. At about the time the Boeing database was updated to reflect the -300ER to -300F con
153 Post contains images Hamlet69 : I think that's a pretty safe assumption. Forgot to mention this before, but Boeing also identified the buyer of 2 77W's as ANA. They were the Februar
154 WestWing : (IBoeing may announce the customers for some of the above at Farnborough, but this is the present status). Please post any corrections to the table a
155 WestWing : Boeing recorded no orders or changes for the week ending July 13th, but here's looking forward to next week since Mr. Tinseth ended his latest blog en
156 frigatebird : Which means to me that a couple of UFO's will be identified. Guess the order for 18x 77W and some larger 737 orders.
157 WarpSpeed : Emirates has signaled a big order at Farnborough. Seems like the 18 77Ws would be too small for them. Maybe even more 777's will be announced. Might t
158 Chiad : Awesome! Do you have a link?
159 Post contains images Stitch : I don't see EK ordering the 787, unless Airbus totally blows the A350-900's EIS and even then only if Boeing can somehow secure a couple score of 787
160 Post contains images Hamlet69 : WestWing, Thank you for keeping your table going!! Since it's been a bit, so I'll make a couple of notes: B) - This is a current 787 customer C) - TAM
161 WestWing : Thanks for the comments. Let's see if any of the orders are disclosed next week, if so I will update the table. Do you know whether the 789s of row B
162 Post contains images Hamlet69 : I assume you mean "Row C", not B, right? Unfortunately, I'm not at liberty to say. I do hope, however, that the customer will be revealed at Farnboro
163 LH506 : Does anybody have a guess for whom are especially the big 737 orders from 2007 and 2008? Could it be that China ordered some 100-150 frames and that t
164 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Boeing, as has been their policy for a number of years now, does not book and count orders that are not allocated. Therefore, if there are Chinese ai
165 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Sorry to quote myself. But it just dawned on me that there is one very recent exception to this - Iraq. Boeing has now booked the x30 737-800 and x10
166 Post contains images Hamlet69 : And for the record: I do expect at least a few of the larger ones to be identified shortly. If not at Farnborough, then at least within the next coup
167 WestWing : Yes, I did mean row C in my earlier question. Thanks. On the May 2010 77Ls, of course we have the usual suspects of EK and QR. But, permit me to indu
168 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : H for 18 77Ws has been confirmed as Emirates who have announced orders for 30 more. So 18 existing and 12 new orders for them. FARNBOROUGH, United Ki
169 Post contains images frigatebird : Still, I do wonder why RB would order 4 77L's early 2007 and not take delivery yet? I have trouble believing that financing would be a problem, but I
170 Post contains images WestWing : Hey, they had your photograph (a frigate bird) on the bing homepage today! On the Royal Brunei issue .. they seem to be quite "flexible" with their f
171 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Something I feel worth noting here: With the new order of 12 frames, Boeing have now sold exactly the same number of 777-300ER's (442) as they did 74
172 Post contains links and images PanAm_DC10 : For L Best wait until the monthly update but it appears to be Royal Jordanian Royal Jordanian Orders 3 Additional B787 (by ManuCH Jul 20 2010 in Civi
173 n1786b : WestWing: L) Royal Jordanian July 20, 2010, 5:03 a.m. Boeing, Royal Jordanian Sign Order for Three Additional 787 Dreamliners FARNBOROUGH, United King
174 Post contains images frigatebird : Thought you meant the one I have on my profile Nah, I don't like to show off THAT much Truly amazing. I don't think even Boeing had anticipated that
175 AA1818 : Any chance you have a gut feeling whether they're for a new airline or an existing customer? AA1818
176 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : It would appear that 12 of those 22 orders are for leasing company Avolon, FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYS
177 SCL767 : Incorrect! LAN Airlines will take delivery of 3 brand new Boeing 767-300ERs in 2011. LAN Cargo will take delivery of 2 Boeing 767-300Fs and one Boein
178 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Possibly the 43 for RBS Aviation Capital RBS commits to 95 Airbus and Boeing jets RBS Aviation Capital is continuing the domination of the leasing se
179 Stitch : RBS cancelled a slew of 787s last year, so I wonder if this is the replacement for whatever deposits and such they had with Boeing?
180 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Paul and Stitch, I could certainly be mistaken, but I think we'll discover that there is another combination that makes up the bulk of their UFO order
181 Post contains links and images frigatebird : Wow, one of the UFO's for 2 77L's is now identified as Air Austral, as PanAmDC10 reports here . Didn't expect that at all!
182 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : And the other is for Qatar Airways which was a conversion of 2 options additionally QR have taken out another 3 options on the model. FARNBOROUGH, Un
183 WestWing : Air Austral is indeed a surprise, but Qatar quite expected. I do hope Boeing confirm the identity of the 12 x 77Ws (row G expected to be Saudia Arabi
184 Post contains links frigatebird : I'm a bit mystified by some of the things stated in this article: Maybe someone familiar with how things between AA and Boeing work can help me out. I
185 Jana : Who has inside info about the UFO orders? Is the supposed Boeing 777-200LR for the Equatorial Guinean government already in site/on ramp?
186 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : We may have the answer for F here: Azerbaijan Airlines FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom, July 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Azerbaija
187 Stitch : That kind of sounds like AA has bought 787-9 delivery positions. So they need to tell Boeing 18 months prior that they intend to take the plane assig
188 n1786b : Update just posted: 103 new orders: American Airlines (35 737s), Azerbaijan Airlines (one 767), Emirates (12 777s), GECAS (40 737s) and Norwegian Air
189 SEPilot : Just curious; why Azerbaijan buys 767's instead of A330's? From what I have seen the only airlines doing so either have large fleets of 767's already
190 Stitch : Might be to piggyback on their 757 pilot certifications (and yes, I know the A320 and A330 have a streamlined pilot training progression). It might al
191 Post contains images WestWing : No, Paul, it is more likely that K are the two 767Fs for Azerbaijan posted in the same week as two 737 cancellations disclosed on 10th June (see my p
192 PanAm_DC10 : This weeks update has identified more 737 UFO's with Southwest Airlines disclosed as being behind orders for 25 737s previously listed as unidentified
193 WestWing : ...and Southwest's 8K filing confirms that these 25 are 737-700s. So, despite the rumors and speculation, no 737-800s for WN - at least not yet. This
194 WarpSpeed : Orders through 8/3/10--------737--- 747---767---777---787 Total 2010 Gross Orders............237.....1......3......50.....28....319 Changes...........
195 Stitch : So I guess that means the 747-8Fs are still going to EK and the 737s to flyDubai (via existing lease agreements, I imagine).
196 Post contains links na : http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...appears-to-cancel-25-widebody.html -10 777s -15 787s Wonder were they were planned to go? Thats massive (we are
197 Stitch : I'm guessing Middle Eastern carriers. DAE is also said to be canceling their order for 30 A350s and 70 A320s/A319s, so that's going to be a big hit,
198 LH506 : some of the 737 UFOs have also been revealed: 30-mar-07 Unidentified Customer(s) 737-800 4 = Royal Air Maroc 11-mar-08 Unidentified Customer(s) 737-80
199 Post contains links kanban : DAE dropped them... money problems probably... http://www.marketwatch.com/story/boe...uces-order-2010-08-05?siteid=yhoof and there is a misprint.. ab
200 WarpSpeed : I think he meant "which airline was going to lease the planes from DAE"
201 Post contains links Stitch : I wonder if they might not have been destined for GF? Evidently they are considering dropping their own A333 and 789 orders and just becoming a narrow
202 RobK : DAE has got off to a rather rocky start. They've already got a brand new 738 sat at Seattle looking for a home after a cusomter pulled out.
203 WestWing : WarpSpeed posted the weekly summary already, so I will just capture in the monthly update and the wide-body UFO table (after all the reveals at Farnbo
204 Post contains images Hamlet69 : In addition to the aforementioned DAE cancellations, the single 737 cancellation is Air Europa. Did NZ not lease a couple of the 77W's? I seem to rem
205 PM : Has this been identified yet?
206 PA515 : The 2nd and 3rd NZ 77W's due in Jan 2011 and Mar 2011 were going to be sold to DAE and leased back. I guess NZ will have to find alternative financin
207 keesje : Ah, the bad news is hidden here. Maybe DAE is recovering already, oil prices are high & the industry recovering..
208 babybus : That's quite a lot for a brand new airliner. Hope that's not showing a lack of faith in the new boy. Did Boeing pick up any orders at all at Farnboro
209 Stitch : So far airlines canceling 787s are doing so for financial reasons and are not immediately ordering the 767, 777, A330 or A350. So these decisions do
210 Post contains links keesje : I think the Chinese, Mexicans and Delta (NWAC) feel a bit shaky on Trans Pacific Payload-Range. Btw News is that Airbus also got 7 A350's and 18 A320
211 Stitch : MX doesn't even fly trans-Pacific, so... As for AM, they fly what, one route (MEX-NRT)? DL was never a 787 customer to begin with, so it may be a cas
212 Post contains images Hamlet69 : It is (was) a 787-9 for a BBJ customer. Aha. Thanks for the correction. I knew I had read NZ was linked to DAE, just couldn't remember specifics. Of
213 PM : Thanks.
214 WarpSpeed : Question: Upon cancellation of an order, do those behind the canceled delivery slot typically move up respectively or does Boeing hold it open and off
215 kanban : usually cancellations are aircraft that are not in the short term production cycle so they are just erased. then they look at who has requested earli
216 STT757 : Obviously CO is confident, announcing IAH-AKL as their first 787 route.
217 Post contains links and images astuteman : http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-25-airbuses-including-seven.html Looks like it's 7 of the A350's and 18 of the A320's But nothing else (as of
218 jfk777 : Continetal announced with great fanfare November 2011 service to Auckland from IAH, yahoo lets all run ago to New Zealand. But will it be CAL's first
219 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Yeah, saw that the day after I posted on here. My apologies. But that was not where and when they received the EK A380 order. And that's where my con
220 Post contains images PM : This risks going off topic but should we read anything into that fact that DAE have cancalled 25 Boeing widebodies (i.e. all the pax widebodies they
221 FRNT787 : Might A350 delivery dates have something to do with it? They might have wanted to delay widebodies for a long enough time, they were going to be taki
222 Post contains images Stitch : 10 of the 747-8Fs and all of the 777Fs are destined for EK Sky Cargo, so no surprise they are staying. I believe the other five 747-8Fs are going to
223 Post contains images RobK : DAE found a customer for this now. It's going to a new low-cost carrier in Korea called Hansung Airlines !
224 na : QR? First time I hear that. A 748 would look great in their livery. Cant wait for it.
225 Post contains links and images Hamlet69 : na, If Stitch's information is correct, then you will be doubly pleased! I''ve heard thru the grapevine that at least one of the 747-8BBJ's are for Qa
226 WestWing : On a separate note, I think I saw the Turkmenistan 77L in one of Matt Cawby's pics. Is that l/n 888?[Edited 2010-08-14 15:50:10 by PanAm_DC10]
227 PA515 : L/N 888 could be for a Chinese airline? The 5th 77F for CZ is due about now. PA515
228 dispatchguy : I was just in the Everett Factory in a Boeing Performance Engineer Class yesterday. A B748 for Nippon Cargo just went through wing/body join, and is a
229 RobK : No. That's 889. 888 is a Chi Sou.
230 WestWing : Thanks, RobK for the info re: line no 888. I did see the post when you posted it, it's just the thanks that are belated. Perhaps Continental did final
231 WestWing : Boeing posted no changes to their 2010 order book for the weekly period ending 24-Aug-2010.
232 Chiad : Thanks WestWing. The B737 is enjoying a good year.
233 WestWing : As expected, it was indeed Continental who cancelled their last outstanding 77E order. I don't know who cancelled the two 737s last month, but I expec
234 Post contains images Hamlet69 : LOL! I would say you're putting too much pressure on me, but. . . . It was (again) Azerbaijan Airlines, who cancelled the remaining two 737-900ER's t
235 PM : Has the Boeing O&D website been updated yet? I can't find which order (i.e. the date) has been reduced by one. Any help appreciated.
236 WestWing : Yes the Boeing website has been updated to the end of August. I think the Continental order was placed 22-Feb-2008. If I remember correctly, the order
237 PM : You're absolutely right. Got it now. Thanks!
238 WestWing : Boeing reported no new orders or cancellations for the period ending September 7th. Let's see if the rumored Air China order for four 77Ws actually sh
239 PanAm_DC10 : Boeing have reported several changes this week; 15 new UFO 737s 5 new UFO 777s 7 UFO 737s identified as Continental 737 orders reduced by 1 777 orders
240 STT757 : When will they show up?
241 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : The O&D spreadsheet was updated today so they are now listed as CO. Link for your reference. Regards Paul
242 WestWing : The seven UFO 737 orders that Boeing have identified as Continental were most likely firmed up in the weekly periods ending 9-March (three 737s for on
243 frigatebird : Good to see some 777's ordered again, but I'm a bit sad to see there have been quite few cancellations this year (27). The CO ones weren't surprising,
244 Post contains links WestWing : Ten new 777s this week, six for Cathay - almost certainly 77Ws - and four UFOs. It is possible that the four may be the widely reported Air China orde
245 Stitch : CX firmed their six frame 77W order, so those have to be 77Ws. And I agree the other four should be 77Ws for Air China. In terms of gross orders, the
246 Post contains images PM : If I'm not wrong, British Airways have 4 options for 777-300ERs. Perhaps just a coincidence... 65 so far. 59, not counting the recent LH/LX news. Pret
247 Post contains links and images SA7700 : This thread will be locked for further contributions as it has become quite long and rather slow to load. Please note that any posts added after the t
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