CGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 303 posts, RR: 7 Posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3693 times:
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From 10 June through 6 September,
Schedule:
CO 0485 ANC 01:25 --> PDX 06:15 B737-800 (Flight continues onto EWR from PDX)
CO 1012 PDX 18:10 ---> ANC 20:55 B737-800 (Flight originates in IAH)
This represents full competition against AS on this route since CO exited ST and joined *A. Does anyone here want to speculate what AS will do in return?
I don't believe AS will react to much. They are being hit from all sides in ANC this past week it seems. AS has it's dedicated passengers on this route. With 3 daily (summer) flights already I wouldn't expect a 4th.
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Steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1447 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3478 times:
Quoting CGKings317 (Thread starter): Does anyone here want to speculate what AS will do in return?
If AS were to retaliate, my guess is it would be on PDX-IAH or PDX-EWR. If CO is going to offer people IAH/EWR connections to ANC through PDX, it would seem logical to try to erode CO's O&D on those routes from PDX (if only temporarily) and offer identical connections.
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4576 posts, RR: 28 Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3449 times:
There's certainly room for more than one carrier on most of these seasonal routes. I'm not sure how much of the CO traffic will be O&D and how much will be coming from EWR, IAH, and UA connections, but I can't see this being a huge hit to AS. They already fly to New York and Houston, so offer their own connections already.
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2234 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3253 times:
I don't know if AS will respond as its only one RT in peak season and the timings are late. CO's doing this without need of aircraft time and shows they're interested in further cherry picking of non-hub routes utilizing aircraft that are just sitting. SNA-HNL, LAX-OGG, SNA-OGG and 2nd LAX-HNL, which uses part of an aircraft.
I wonder if CO will re-time the IAH-ANC ninstop as the new IAH-PDX-ANC 1-stop is running just an hour behind the non-stop. This addition probably allows CO better ANC one-stops from EWR and IAH.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5386 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3194 times:
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 8): I wonder if CO will re-time the IAH-ANC ninstop as the new IAH-PDX-ANC 1-stop is running just an hour behind the non-stop. This addition probably allows CO better ANC one-stops from EWR and IAH.
I'm also curious, living here in ANC, and flying CO exclusively.
You've got this new one that departs IAH at 1445.
The nonstop IAH-ANC departs IAH just FIVE MINUTES LATER, at 1450.
Then there's the old reliable year-round 667 that leaves at 1725.
That's three originating flights that end up in ANC in less than three hours.
!?!?
I was seriously hoping for more nonstops to IAH. But, a PDX connection would allow me to avoid SEA, which is always a plus in my book...too busy!
SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 565 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3196 times:
Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 7): CO never flew it. TWA did in 1998, along with SEAICT, of all domestic routes. Neither lasted too long.
They flew it right after TW dropped it. It was Sep 2001-Summer 2002 (some months seasonally). Then they got the codeshare with Alaska and dropped the route. Alaska has a lot of capacity coming there this summer. Both to Fairbanks and Anchorage.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2645 times:
I don't think CO will cause that much of a reaction from AS. You would need the likes of B6 or VX to start flying SEA-ANC to get solid reaction. It would be representative of what QQ and Mark Air did in the late 1980's and 1990's...and maybe Wien during the early to mid 1980's.
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9): a PDX connection would allow me to avoid SEA
SEA is a tolerable connection or stopping point...it's not that big. PDX is less congested, but we're not talking about avoiding ORD. I think I would prefer flying the 753 on the ANC-SEA-IAH than the 738 through PDX.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5386 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2620 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 13): SEA is a tolerable connection or stopping point...it's not that big. PDX is less congested, but we're not talking about avoiding ORD. I think I would prefer flying the 753 on the ANC-SEA-IAH than the 738 through PDX.
It's purely my opinion, but I don't care for SEA. It doesn't help that the Pacific Marketplace is typically closed when 667/223 make their 70-minute stop at Sea-Tac.
I certainly see your point on the 753 versus 738 issue- the 753 has lots more F seats for my gold upgrade!
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2539 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14): It's purely my opinion, but I don't care for SEA. It doesn't help that the Pacific Marketplace is typically closed when 667/223 make their 70-minute stop at Sea-Tac.
I really wanted to fly the second leg of that 753 flight from SEA-IAH when you could still get AS miles. I might still do that if they bring back the 753 on the SEA-EWR route.
Klwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 1810 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2200 times:
I just wanted to contribute and backup what others have said...
CO has indeed flown PDX-ANC.
Its a route they like to fly and flirt with every now and then, kind of like LAX-SAL, or SAN-MEX. These routes they have added and dropped more than once also.
Slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2484 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1719 times:
Very interesting to see all of this new Alaska flying
Frontier new FAI
Delta returns SLC-FAI
UA returns to ANC
and now CO PDX-ANC
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1704 times:
Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 17): Frontier new FAI
Delta returns SLC-FAI
UA returns to ANC
and now CO PDX-ANC
You know, this could be a small sign that the economy is getting back on its feet...especially the tourism industry. Or it could be a turf war.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
I think it would be cool if CO would open a trans-Pacific hub at PDX, but I'm sure is more than unlikely considering their operations at HNL and GUM.
BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2762 posts, RR: 7 Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1372 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 22): I think it would be cool if CO would open a trans-Pacific hub at PDX
I agree. Would be cool, but not very likely. CO would need the appropriate aircraft (i.e. 787) and even then, the transpac options would be limited to Tokyo, Seoul and maybe China. They would need to build up feed as O&D can't support it. As much as I would love to see it, it's just not economic viable.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1214 times:
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 23): I agree. Would be cool, but not very likely. CO would need the appropriate aircraft (i.e. 787) and even then, the transpac options would be limited to Tokyo, Seoul and maybe China. They would need to build up feed as O&D can't support it. As much as I would love to see it, it's just not economic viable.
CO would have add a lot of resources to get PDX to the point that DL had when they were using PDX as a transpac hub. I don't think any airline has that much resource to risk or spend. But it's good to see CO is putting a little more emphasis on the west coast.
Any chance that CO would consider HI service out of PDX or SEA. Probably not considering that there are now at least three airlines flying out of both cities to Hawaii...AS, DL and HA.
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