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CO Announces Seasonal PDX-ANC Flight  
User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4281 times:
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From 10 June through 6 September,

Schedule:


CO 0485 ANC 01:25 --> PDX 06:15 B737-800 (Flight continues onto EWR from PDX)
CO 1012 PDX 18:10 ---> ANC 20:55 B737-800 (Flight originates in IAH)

This represents full competition against AS on this route since CO exited ST and joined *A. Does anyone here want to speculate what AS will do in return?

Full press release here: http://tinyurl.com/COPDXANC

I am glad that this route is happening, at least seasonally.  bigthumbsup 

~CGKings317  Smile


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

good to have this flight come back..........CO offered this I think back in 2001??? 2002???

I thought this might come back after the codeshare with AS was cancelled.

[Edited 2010-01-15 10:53:04]


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4179 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 1):

This flight does sound familier.

Quoting CGKings317 (Thread starter):

I don't believe AS will react to much. They are being hit from all sides in ANC this past week it seems. AS has it's dedicated passengers on this route. With 3 daily (summer) flights already I wouldn't expect a 4th.



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User currently offlinePeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

Is this a "direct result" of CO having left Skyteam and wanting to compete with them in the Northwest?


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User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

This flight will be helped by United and United Express PDX feed. It's always good to have competition on routes. It was TWA and Alaska in the 90's.

User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4066 times:



Quoting CGKings317 (Thread starter):
Does anyone here want to speculate what AS will do in return?

If AS were to retaliate, my guess is it would be on PDX-IAH or PDX-EWR. If CO is going to offer people IAH/EWR connections to ANC through PDX, it would seem logical to try to erode CO's O&D on those routes from PDX (if only temporarily) and offer identical connections.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5452 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

There's certainly room for more than one carrier on most of these seasonal routes. I'm not sure how much of the CO traffic will be O&D and how much will be coming from EWR, IAH, and UA connections, but I can't see this being a huge hit to AS. They already fly to New York and Houston, so offer their own connections already.

-Dave



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3843 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 1):
good to have this flight come back..........CO offered this I think back in 2001??? 2002???

CO never flew it. TWA did in 1998, along with SEAICT, of all domestic routes. Neither lasted too long.



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2587 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

I don't know if AS will respond as its only one RT in peak season and the timings are late. CO's doing this without need of aircraft time and shows they're interested in further cherry picking of non-hub routes utilizing aircraft that are just sitting. SNA-HNL, LAX-OGG, SNA-OGG and 2nd LAX-HNL, which uses part of an aircraft.
I wonder if CO will re-time the IAH-ANC ninstop as the new IAH-PDX-ANC 1-stop is running just an hour behind the non-stop. This addition probably allows CO better ANC one-stops from EWR and IAH.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5730 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3782 times:



Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 8):
I wonder if CO will re-time the IAH-ANC ninstop as the new IAH-PDX-ANC 1-stop is running just an hour behind the non-stop. This addition probably allows CO better ANC one-stops from EWR and IAH.


I'm also curious, living here in ANC, and flying CO exclusively.

You've got this new one that departs IAH at 1445.
The nonstop IAH-ANC departs IAH just FIVE MINUTES LATER, at 1450.
Then there's the old reliable year-round 667 that leaves at 1725.

That's three originating flights that end up in ANC in less than three hours.

!?!?

I was seriously hoping for more nonstops to IAH. But, a PDX connection would allow me to avoid SEA, which is always a plus in my book...too busy!


User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3784 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 7):
CO never flew it. TWA did in 1998, along with SEAICT, of all domestic routes. Neither lasted too long.

They flew it right after TW dropped it. It was Sep 2001-Summer 2002 (some months seasonally). Then they got the codeshare with Alaska and dropped the route. Alaska has a lot of capacity coming there this summer. Both to Fairbanks and Anchorage.


User currently offlineTpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3741 times:

Yes, PDX-ANC was def a former CO route as noted prior

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2395 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3403 times:



Quoting Tpaewr (Reply 11):
Yes, PDX-ANC was def a former CO route as noted prior


PDX-ANC was offered as recently as 2005, IIRC. It may have only lasted for one summer season, but it was certainly in the schedule.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3233 times:
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I don't think CO will cause that much of a reaction from AS. You would need the likes of B6 or VX to start flying SEA-ANC to get solid reaction. It would be representative of what QQ and Mark Air did in the late 1980's and 1990's...and maybe Wien during the early to mid 1980's.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9):
a PDX connection would allow me to avoid SEA

SEA is a tolerable connection or stopping point...it's not that big. PDX is less congested, but we're not talking about avoiding ORD. I think I would prefer flying the 753 on the ANC-SEA-IAH than the 738 through PDX.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5730 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3208 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 13):
SEA is a tolerable connection or stopping point...it's not that big. PDX is less congested, but we're not talking about avoiding ORD. I think I would prefer flying the 753 on the ANC-SEA-IAH than the 738 through PDX.

It's purely my opinion, but I don't care for SEA. It doesn't help that the Pacific Marketplace is typically closed when 667/223 make their 70-minute stop at Sea-Tac.

I certainly see your point on the 753 versus 738 issue- the 753 has lots more F seats for my gold upgrade!


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3127 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):
It's purely my opinion, but I don't care for SEA. It doesn't help that the Pacific Marketplace is typically closed when 667/223 make their 70-minute stop at Sea-Tac.

I really wanted to fly the second leg of that 753 flight from SEA-IAH when you could still get AS miles. I might still do that if they bring back the 753 on the SEA-EWR route.


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

I just wanted to contribute and backup what others have said...

CO has indeed flown PDX-ANC.

Its a route they like to fly and flirt with every now and then, kind of like LAX-SAL, or SAN-MEX. These routes they have added and dropped more than once also.


User currently offlineSlcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Very interesting to see all of this new Alaska flying

Frontier new FAI
Delta returns SLC-FAI
UA returns to ANC
and now CO PDX-ANC

I hope these all last


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2292 times:
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Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 17):
Frontier new FAI
Delta returns SLC-FAI
UA returns to ANC
and now CO PDX-ANC

You know, this could be a small sign that the economy is getting back on its feet...especially the tourism industry. Or it could be a turf war.


User currently offlineCo2bgr From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Now if they bring back that EWR non-stop on a 752 I would be a very happy man. LOVED that flight.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Yeah, would be nice if CO had that back!! Only a/b 100 nm further than IAH-ANC, but with the atc delays in EWR, the 738 wouldn't make it!!

seems as though, with all these "odd" (non-hub) routes lately, I doubt we've seen the last.



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User currently offlineRyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 858 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2195 times:



Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 17):
Very interesting to see all of this new Alaska flying

Frontier new FAI
Delta returns SLC-FAI
UA returns to ANC
and now CO PDX-ANC

I hope these all last

Don't forget US adding PHL-ANC.

Ryan



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1994 times:
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I think it would be cool if CO would open a trans-Pacific hub at PDX, but I'm sure is more than unlikely considering their operations at HNL and GUM.

User currently onlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1960 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 22):
I think it would be cool if CO would open a trans-Pacific hub at PDX

I agree. Would be cool, but not very likely. CO would need the appropriate aircraft (i.e. 787) and even then, the transpac options would be limited to Tokyo, Seoul and maybe China. They would need to build up feed as O&D can't support it. As much as I would love to see it, it's just not economic viable.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1802 times:
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Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 23):
I agree. Would be cool, but not very likely. CO would need the appropriate aircraft (i.e. 787) and even then, the transpac options would be limited to Tokyo, Seoul and maybe China. They would need to build up feed as O&D can't support it. As much as I would love to see it, it's just not economic viable.

CO would have add a lot of resources to get PDX to the point that DL had when they were using PDX as a transpac hub. I don't think any airline has that much resource to risk or spend. But it's good to see CO is putting a little more emphasis on the west coast.

Any chance that CO would consider HI service out of PDX or SEA. Probably not considering that there are now at least three airlines flying out of both cities to Hawaii...AS, DL and HA.


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