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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11095 times:

In First and Business on Long Haul flights, steak cooked to order, scrambled eggs etc are not at all uncommon. I know for a fact that on QF scrambled eggs are made on the aircraft and that, in the 1960's at least, roast beef was cooked on 707 and DC-8 international flights in first. Steaks cooked to order in both classes were a selling point on TWA

My question is, HOW are they "cooked" on the aircraft? I'm near positive that many of the meals in F and J aren't merely reheated onboard, yet the galleys clearly don't contain stove tops etc

Interested to hear from any FA's about this?

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User currently offlineDavid21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10915 times:



Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
My question is, HOW are they "cooked" on the aircraft? I'm near positive that many of the meals in F and J aren't merely reheated onboard, yet the galleys clearly don't contain stove tops

How they 'were' cooked onboard back then, I'm not sure. But these days, the meals are pre-cooked, pre-loaded into the ovens by catering, reheated, plated and served.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10886 times:

Once traveled from the Netherlands, Amsterdam back to Sydney on KLM 747 as a child, about 1982 I think.

We landed in Melbourne before our final destination of SYD and I was lucky enough to be taken up to the hump for a little tour where the crew were cooking up bacon and eggs in an electric frying pan in the galley, smelt great compared to what we were give downstairs in economy class !! Have always remembered that.



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User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10791 times:

at bmi the A330s have skillets alowing the chefs to cook your breakfast to order.

User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10789 times:

GF have Sky Chefs onboard who cook to order for First & Biz class pax, not sure how they do it but it tastes great  Smile


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User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10476 times:

In Qatar Airways they had (well maybe still have but I havent worked for them in over 6 years) Skillets for eggs and proper toasters too!

In BA...Well, toast is reheated in first, the scrambled eggs are made from a carton of goo and overall...breakfast is just not pleasant.

I think every airline should follow the Aer Lingus example for breakfast!



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

When it comes to steaks etc they are often seared on the ground, then chilled, once onboard they are simply reheated in the oven with some further cooking obviously occuring due to the heat... over 330degF (165deg C) for 20-30 mins.

[Edited 2010-01-16 07:54:58 by zkpilot]


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10032 times:

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 5):
I think every airline should follow the Aer Lingus example for breakfast!

What, Aer Lingus serves an Irish breakfast*?

* I say "Irish breakfast," but I have been to three countries (four if you count Scotland) where they serve exactly the same meal, branded as "<nationality> Breakfast".

[Edited 2010-01-16 08:05:12]


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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3005 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9973 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 6):
When it comes to steaks etc they are often seared on the ground, then chilled, once onboard they are simply reheated in the oven with some further cooking obviously occuring due to the heat... over 330degF (165deg C) for 20-30 mins.

So that's how they turn steak into stew - 30 mins at 330 degrees!!

I was lucky enough at the age of 6 to fly TEAL's (now NZ) Coral Route in 1959 on the last Solent IV (Aranui): Fiji - Samoa - Cook Islands - Tahiti and return. IIRC, it carried about 35-40 pax. What I do remember is that there was a full galley and chef on board.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9749 times:



Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 8):
So that's how they turn steak into stew - 30 mins at 330 degrees!!

I was lucky enough at the age of 6 to fly TEAL's (now NZ) Coral Route in 1959 on the last Solent IV (Aranui): Fiji - Samoa - Cook Islands - Tahiti and return. IIRC, it carried about 35-40 pax. What I do remember is that there was a full galley and chef on board.

haha well it takes about 5 mins for the oven to heat up to that temp and most probably cook for about 25mins but I guess if you wanted medium/well then a bit longer would probably do the trick.
Nice that would have been an amazing flight!



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9708 times:

I think JM had that on their A340s at some point. Inflight Chef.


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User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9451 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
What, Aer Lingus serves an Irish breakfast*?

They do. Albeit its on their european routes before 10am and costs €9 I think. But it comes with two slices of Irish bacon, two irish sausages, one black and one white pudding (dont ask, just eat it, its gorgeous), tomatoe and basically diced herbed patatoes which are supposed to be hash browns which isnt really a normal irish thing but beats adding the eggs which just tend to wreck the flavour of everything else.

On the side is also some Irish brown bread!

OOOHHH, Defo the best breakfast in the sky! The BA breakfasts in all cabins are just RANK!



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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9215 times:



Quoting Jackbr (Thread starter):
in the 1960's at least, roast beef was cooked on 707 and DC-8 international flights in first. Steaks cooked to order in both classes were a selling point on TWA

I read once something about steaks cooked aboard 707s transporting U.S. soldiers coming back from Vietnam (and the F.A. asking them whether they liked them well-done or rare). To my understanding of the article, these were cooked using infrared heating lamps (Infrared bulb heaters), the likes of which you can buy for your home



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User currently offlineSpud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9096 times:



Quoting Rolfen (Reply 12):
The BA breakfasts in all cabins are just RANK!

Yep I'll second that... BA breakfast is just not nice. A british airline needs to serve a good english/scottish/irish breakfast


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9046 times:



Quoting Spud757 (Reply 13):


Quoting Rolfen (Reply 12):
The BA breakfasts in all cabins are just RANK!

Yep I'll second that... BA breakfast is just not nice. A british airline needs to serve a good english/scottish/irish breakfast

Ahem... you misquoted me
 Smile



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8073 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 11):
But it comes with two slices of Irish bacon, two irish sausages, one black and one white pudding (dont ask, just eat it, its gorgeous), tomatoe and basically diced herbed patatoes which are supposed to be hash browns which isnt really a normal irish thing but beats adding the eggs which just tend to wreck the flavour of everything else.



Quoting Spud757 (Reply 13):
Yep I'll second that... BA breakfast is just not nice. A british airline needs to serve a good english/scottish/irish breakfast

Right. That's what I figured. I've had exactly this meal in London, Bath, Edinburgh, Dublin, Limerick, Johannesburg, and Durban and it's all referred to as "their" breakfast. In the US, it's either served as an Irish or English breakfast.



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User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7855 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
I say "Irish breakfast," but I have been to three countries (four if you count Scotland) where they serve exactly the same meal, branded as " Breakfast".

It's because the minority groups and the Irish would die rather than call it an English breakfast. It is an English breakfast however, served in {insert place}. Even here there is resistance and it's more often than not referred to as a full breakfast - as opposed to continental.



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User currently offlineTim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7226 times:

an English. Irish, Scottish breakfast is NOT the same meal...

Each Breakfast is slightly different to the other depending on your country that you are eating it in...

England... Bacon, Sausage, Fried Egg, Baked Beans, Fried Bread, Black Pudding, Tomato and Mushrooms (some places do English with Hash Browns, but officially not in an english breakfasts, just yet another Americanism filtering into British Society)

Scotland... Has a Square Slice of Sausage and a potato scone not fried Bread and no black pudding
irish has soda farls, and white pudding
then you have an Ulster Fry in NI...

So they are different meals, in fact Bacon and egg are really only common ingredient...

In fact I am bloody starving now talking about brekkie...


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3005 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7174 times:



Quoting Tim222 (Reply 17):
England... Bacon, Sausage, Fried Egg, Baked Beans, Fried Bread, Black Pudding, Tomato and Mushrooms (some places do English with Hash Browns, but officially not in an english breakfasts, just yet another Americanism filtering into British Society)

No haddock?



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User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

You're talking about now. When Britain had their mighty empire, that's when the bacon, egg and toast was exported to the empire. Anyway, it's a silly argument.


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User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6923 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 11):

OOOHHH, Defo the best breakfast in the sky!

The Aer Lingus breakfast deserves a thread of its own...

Quoting Tim222 (Reply 17):

Each Breakfast is slightly different to the other depending on your country that you are eating it in...

"Ulster Fry" -> bacon, suasage, egg, black/white pudding, beans, grilled tomato, mushrooms, chips (french fries if you must), fried soda bread, and potato bread with lashings of butter, washed down with a great big cup of tea with too much milk and sugar. It is a heart attack neatly arranged on a plate (as born out by Northern Ireland having the highest regional incedence of heart disease in the OECD), but by god it is tasty!
I had one in BFS the other day before my flight (a little light on some of the components, but tasty nonetheless).


User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3532 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

I recall CX has on-board rice cookers. The volume of rice consumed on 10-14 hour flight alone warrants installing one.


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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5642 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 11):
The BA breakfasts in all cabins are just RANK!

They're not that bad. I mean, on the ground it would be awful but in the air it seems less awful.

Anyway, I've had much worse on US airlines, back when they routinely served hot breakfasts. Styrofoam pancakes with fake maple syrup ... plastic eggs ... plastic sausages....



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User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5587 times:
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Not wanting to sound like a breakfast aficionado but...

Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
* I say "Irish breakfast," but I have been to three countries (four if you count Scotland) where they serve exactly the same meal, branded as " Breakfast".

Actually there are differences between the different nations breakfasts albeit they are along the same theme. BTW, do some research, Scotland is a separate country within the United Kingdom.

Quoting Tim222 (Reply 17):
Scotland... Has a Square Slice of Sausage and a potato scone not fried Bread and no black pudding irish has soda farls, and white pudding

A Scottish breakfast can have square or link sausage and does include black pudding. IMO the English do the best cooked breakfast.

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 5):
In BA...Well, toast is reheated in first, the scrambled eggs are made from a carton of goo and overall...breakfast is just not pleasant.

I had a very nice 3 course breakfast on EK in J last month. Freshly made scrambled eggs (not difficult you can microwave the raw ingredients) and a steak cooked rare among a vast array of other, very nice food. I am looking forward to their breakfast on my flight to MEL next week  

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[Edited 2010-01-16 19:09:21 by sandyb123]


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 16):
It's because the minority groups and the Irish would die rather than call it an English breakfast. It is an English breakfast however, served in {insert place}. Even here there is resistance and it's more often than not referred to as a full breakfast - as opposed to continental.



Quoting Tim222 (Reply 17):
an English. Irish, Scottish breakfast is NOT the same meal...



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 23):
Actually there are differences between the different nations breakfasts albeit they are along the same theme. BTW, do some research, Scotland is a separate country within the United Kingdom.

Listen, I know that some restaurants within those countries serve the breakfast differently. What I am saying is that, in each country, I have been served exactly same meal, all using a localized name.

Also, I'm aware of the whole Scottish independence movement by some. Let's leave that out of the scope of this discussion.

[Edited 2010-01-16 20:33:35]


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25 Sandyb123 : Ok, but as you questioned the number of countries in the UK it's important that you recognise what makes up the union and although there is an indepe
26 Post contains links Zippyjet : I have a recent thread asking about galley situation on the Super Connies. There were a few explinations. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...d=466
27 PanHAM : The Scottish breakfast I remember from many Hotel buffets in one of my favorite countries includes haggis, sometimes even vegetarian, whatever that me
28 Westjet!Eh! : In one of the 80's movies, it shows that a F/A was cooking the meals in the first or business class.
29 AirportGuy1971 : I thought a proper English breakfast was a choice of: egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and sp
30 PanHAM : You get that on Monthy Python Air with a good helping of Spam on the side..
31 Rdwootty : My favorite breakfast is Bloddy Mary followed by Porridge, Kippers and Hot Toast with Dundee Marmalade. No chance of that on any flight. Imagine the s
32 Post contains links Tonystan : IS THIS NOT THE BEST AIRLINERS.NET DISCUSSION...EEVVEEEERRRRRRR?????? Im loving it! Just had my morning after Full Irish in my local just now...so sat
33 BOACCunard : This reminds me of the "British sausages" episode of Yes, Prime Minister. At any rate, here is a question: Does anyone know if my instinct is right i
34 AFGMEL : Hmm, not here in my experience. Lunch is most likely to be cold.
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