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When Did CX Start Service To LAX?  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3616 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

I was told that Cathay Pacific was flying from LAX during the 80's. Now I do not remember seeing any CX planes at LAX until the 90's. So now I am wondering, when did CX start service to LAX?

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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5272 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

It was either 1989 or 1990. I was living in LA at the time and I distinctly remember all of the advertising that CX was doing in the area at the time.


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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1764 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

I looked it up and according to their VP for the Americas it was 1991. Apparently they had to wait to get the B744s, since they were never able to get 5th freedom anywhere in between like SQ did years earlier.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/New+Pa...irport+gates.+(Asian...-a012093339

Cathay Pacific began service from Los Angeles to Hong Kong in July 1991, said Jay Olver, vice president of USA and Latin America operations for the airline, owned by John Swire Pacific Co. and the Chinese government.

The service was made possible by the new Boeing 747-400, which can make the 16-hour flight without stopping. Cathay Pacific wanted to get into the Los Angeles market years ago, but the airline couldn't get permission to land at a stopover point between Hong Kong and Los Angeles.


User currently offlineNetjetsINTL From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

out of curiosity, was LAX or SFO the first U.S destination for most Asian and Australian airlines??? because at one point SFO did have more trans-Pacific routes than LAX

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5272 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3942 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 2):
Cathay Pacific began service from Los Angeles to Hong Kong in July 1991, said Jay Olver, vice president of USA and Latin America operations for the airline, owned by John Swire Pacific Co. and the Chinese government.

I think you're right. I was thinking that I saw a CX 744 when I flew out of the TBIT in 1990 but it must have been 1994.



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User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3909 times:



Quoting NetjetsINTL (Reply 3):
because at one point SFO did have more trans-Pacific routes than LAX

Being closer (just) to the Australian East Coast might have something to do with it.

BNE (27°23'03"S 153°07'03"E) SFO (37°37'08"N 122°22'30"W) 53° (NE) 6138 nm
BNE (27°23'03"S 153°07'03"E) LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'26"W) 58° (NE) 6223 nm
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) SFO (37°37'08"N 122°22'30"W) 56° (NE) 6445 nm
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'26"W) 61° (NE) 6507 nm


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Prior to the HKG-LAX non stop on the 744 starting in 1991, CX used to fly HKG-YVR-SFO for a few years. Once LAX was started, SFO was dropped for a few years until the late 90's when CX returned with non stop flights.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25363 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

I remember the CX LAX launch well, as it was shortly after Virgin Atlantic commencement of LA service in 1990.

As far as the SF vs LA question, for many airlines it used to be San Francisco was their primary California destination, however over time Los Angeles has far overtaken the Bay Area in population and economic activity making Los Angeles the much larger US Pacific gateway.

From a economic study report dated April 2007, it shows San Francisco having 8.0mil trans-Pacific passenger, while LAX was 16.7mil in 2006. Its also important to note a good portion of the SF traffic is also connections on United, while much of the LA traffic is local O&D. According to the same report, Los Angeles boardings represents near 45% of the entire US-Pacific traffic flow.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3876 times:



Quoting NetjetsINTL (Reply 3):
out of curiosity, was LAX or SFO the first U.S destination for most Asian and Australian airlines??? because at one point SFO did have more trans-Pacific routes than LAX

SFO was the first US gateway to/from the Pacific for almost all carriers, presumably at least partly bcause it's closer to HNL than LAX which ws the usual en route stop initially. Even after nonstop service to Asia and SYD began, they were to/from SFO first, again at lleast partly because it's closer than LAX. The bilaterals then also probably restricted service to SFO. Carriers couldn't just fly wherever they wanted.

The first CX service to the U.S. was HKG-YVR-SFO using the 747-200 with 5th freedom rights YVR-SFO.


User currently offlineCaliforniamate From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

Was the 747-300 ever used on the HKG-YVR-SFO route?

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26490 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3773 times:



Quoting Tayser (Reply 5):

Being closer (just) to the Australian East Coast might have something to do with it.

BNE (27°23'03"S 153°07'03"E) SFO (37°37'08"N 122°22'30"W) 53° (NE) 6138 nm
BNE (27°23'03"S 153°07'03"E) LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'26"W) 58° (NE) 6223 nm
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) SFO (37°37'08"N 122°22'30"W) 56° (NE) 6445 nm
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'26"W) 61° (NE) 6507 nm

The 74L could do either airport non-stop, so that was a non-issue, as the other aircraft would have to stop somewhere anyway



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User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3769 times:



Quoting Californiamate (Reply 9):
Was the 747-300 ever used on the HKG-YVR-SFO route?

According to this photo in 1987, they were using a 742 on this route.



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User currently offlineCaliforniamate From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

thanks! i was on this flight back in the day and have always wondered what i was flying on. was hoping it was a -300 so i could cross that off my list.

User currently offlinePhishphan70 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

July 1991. i was 3 years old and my dad was the cargo manager for CX at SFO at the time, so my whole family took a ride upstairs in CX's new 744 from LAX-HKG. because he was riding as a CX executive, my dad made his way up to the cockpit for landing and took some great shots on final to Kai Tak!

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3718 times:



Quoting Californiamate (Reply 9):
Was the 747-300 ever used on the HKG-YVR-SFO route?

I don't believe the 743 was ever used regularly on CX transpacific flights I can only ever recall the 742 and 744. I don't think the 743 had as much range as their 742s and even their original HKG-YVR route was close to the limits of 742 range, especially westbound with headwinds, although CX's 742s were better than the early models.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3675 times:
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Quoting SR 103 (Reply 6):
CX used to fly HKG-YVR-SFO for a few years.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
The first CX service to the U.S. was HKG-YVR-SFO using the 747-200 with 5th freedom rights YVR-SFO.



Quoting Legacyins (Reply 11):
According to this photo in 1987, they were using a 742 on this route.

The CX service between SFO and YVR was only my 2nd ride on 747, besides my Pan Am 74L ride from SFO to LAX. I flew SFO-YVR roundtrip for Expo 86 in Vancouver. That flight was wonderful!


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3424 times:



Quoting SR 103 (Reply 6):
Prior to the HKG-LAX non stop on the 744 starting in 1991

It was July 1, 1990.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3098 times:



Quoting Phishphan70 (Reply 13):
July 1991.

It's in the 2/91 OAG.


User currently offlineUncleKoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3070 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
I don't believe the 743 was ever used regularly on CX transpacific flights I can only ever recall the 742 and 744. I don't think the 743 had as much range as their 742s and even their original HKG-YVR route was close to the limits of 742 range, especially westbound with headwinds, although CX's 742s were better than the early models.

Correct, the 743 could not match the range of the 742. The 743 was not (on a regular basis anyway) used on CX's HKG-LHR non stop either. This was operated by the -200's until the arrival of the 744.



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User currently offline28L28L From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

SFO-HKG began on 1 Dec 98

Does anyone have a general (or specific) time frame of when HKG-YVR-SFO operated?
Cheers.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2996 times:



Quoting 28L28L (Reply 19):
Does anyone have a general (or specific) time frame of when HKG-YVR-SFO operated?

HKG-YVR started in April 1983. I'm not sure when the YVR-SFO tag-on sector started or how long it lasted.


User currently offlineAquariusHKG From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2934 times:



Quoting 28L28L (Reply 19):
SFO-HKG began on 1 Dec 98

Does anyone have a general (or specific) time frame of when HKG-YVR-SFO operated?
Cheers.

In General, late 1980's

HKG-YVR started in 1983 i believe, and SFO didn't come until a year or two later

Flight number is CX800/801


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2814 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
I'm not sure when the YVR-SFO tag-on sector started or how long it lasted.

1986-1989. I have a Cathay history booklet published by the airline with the fleet and destinations for each year since 1946. I wont reproduce it here coz I don't want to get sued but you can ask.

Just a yearly list of fleet and destinations. No specific dates. I'm sure you can find out in the Flight archive.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

YVR-SFO is not in the 15 Feb 86 North Amer OAG; it is in the 15 July 86.

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