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BD Goes Single Class On CTA Routes  
User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

Just had a rather contrite e-mail from Diamond Club saying that from the end of the month, all flights within the CTA will be in economy only cabins. Any pax already booked on business fares, with be downgraded to flexible economy and refunded any difference necessary.

However, they're improving the services of flexible economy with complimentary meals, double miles (I think it was 1½ before), lounge access and being seated at the front of the plane as though a business class still existed even though it is really an irrelevance on an ERJ and a lot of A320 ops have rear access as well.

The complimentary meal bit is extra special now because you don't get complimentary meals anymore by virtue of being Diamond Club Blue Plus, Silver or Gold members... wait, what!? They can't be serious. First, what is the point of Blue Plus membership if you don't get free meals. That was the only benefit blue plus membership offered. And second, how can you think of charging a Gold member for a sandwich? That's retarded!

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2983 times:



Quoting Glom (Thread starter):
how can you think of charging a Gold member for a sandwich? That's retarded!

YEP.... Thank god we have other ways of connecting to Europe/USA/East Via LX TK CO. BMI and EI are the same now out of DUB-LHR and EI actually offer the best schedules and Buy on board menu.

Only benefits of flying BMI are now lounge ( even thats poor ) and Miles for perks and lounge access on other Star carriers.

Signed BMI Gold card holder  Smile


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8584 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2968 times:
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Quoting Glom (Thread starter):
all flights within the CTA

CTA being what ??

[Edited 2010-01-18 04:35:28 by kiwiandrew]


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User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

LH should pull the plug on BMI and put it out of its misery.
It chops and changes plans and policies every 5 minutes so the passengers dont know where they are


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2929 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
CTA being what ??

A little place in Italy as far as I'm aware.  confused 



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2929 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
CTA being what ??

Common Travel Area: UK and Ireland. Flights to Ireland from the UK are managed as domestic flights.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2918 times:



Quoting Antonovman (Reply 3):
LH should pull the plug on BMI and put it out of its misery.

I think this is an LH inspired move. Im surprised they are not going to offer anything at all in Y. To be honest a small biscuit pack and a non-alcoholic bar would be fine on DUB and the domestic services, AMS will soon be toast anyway, so its a moot point.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Only benefits of flying BMI are now lounge ( even thats poor ) and Miles for perks and lounge access on other Star carriers.

I get the Lounge as an EI GC GOLD member and seating at the front of the cabin (Rows 1-5 at OLCI). Only advantage BD now offers is Earn/Burn on *A carriers through the (once?) great DC programme. Even that is being rather quickly eroded.

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2620 times:



Quoting Antonovman (Reply 3):
LH should pull the plug on BMI and put it out of its misery.

Time for you to grow up and stop making immature comments like this one

You'd like to see thousands of people put out of work ?

Take some time to think what effect the reality of a comment like this would have on the lives of the airline's employees, and the employees of it's suppliers.

How much would you like that?



I don't like signatures...
User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

To make matters worse, Chrome is flagging up an unsecure connection on the page for entering card details to pay for a booking. I wonder if the hacker who steals your details while you book will get a free sandwich.

User currently offlineMayhem From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

For SN to be able to join Star Alliance, they had to relaunch business class, in order to be "consistent with the network". Before they only had an economy light and an economy flex + product. 90% similar with what BD is going to offer now.

How come BD is allowed to do this by Star?


User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2212 times:
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Quoting Glom (Reply 5):
Common Travel Area: UK and Ireland. Flights to Ireland from the UK are managed as domestic flights.

I think the e-mail from bmi confirms that business will end on all short haul flights from LHR.

Quoting Glom (Thread starter):
First, what is the point of Blue Plus membership if you don't get free meals.

Read the e-mail again - the Blue Plus level is being withdrawn.


User currently offlineJamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 552 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

I don't understand many of the complaints this is generating. Replacing Business class with Economy Flexible means you won't get stung for the Business Class APD tax. And business travellers can continue to enjoy some perks while only filing travel claims for economy class tickets.

Quoting Glom (Thread starter):
Just had a rather contrite e-mail from Diamond Club saying that from the end of the month, all flights within the CTA will be in economy only cabins.

Not entirely true - only domestic routes (and Dublin) in and out of LHR. BMI Regional will continue to offer business class on the Embraer fleet on the regional routes.


User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2200 times:
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Quoting Jamesontheroad (Reply 11):
BMI Regional will continue to offer business class on the Embraer fleet on the regional routes

The e-mail I have from bmi says Regional already offfers single class service on all its routes.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2183 times:



Quoting Jamesontheroad (Reply 11):
I don't understand many of the complaints this is generating. Replacing Business class with Economy Flexible means you won't get stung for the Business Class APD tax. And business travellers can continue to enjoy some perks while only filing travel claims for economy class tickets.

I don't have any problem with this actually. They're upping the service on economy flexible tickets, which sounds great. Sounds like a fine idea.

The complaint I have is with them withdrawing complimentary meal deals for Diamond Club card holders. That seems like an ideal way to alienate your loyal customers, eg me.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5237 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2151 times:



Quoting Glom (Reply 13):
The complaint I have is with them withdrawing complimentary meal deals for Diamond Club card holders.

Does it matter since it's only withdrawn on shorthaul routes?


User currently onlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1416 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2102 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 14):
Does it matter since it's only withdrawn on shorthaul routes?

If you are a loyal customer on short haul routes (like me), it does matter. It was a differentiator from my other options (BA & EZY) and got them my business.
I am just waiting for the lounge access to be removed, that will presumably be the next "improvement to Economy" that BMI offer.



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2100 times:



Quoting GCT64 (Reply 15):
I am just waiting for the lounge access to be removed, that will presumably be the next "improvement to Economy" that BMI offer

Well if you get lounge access in economy, who needs a Diamond Club card?


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5168 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2095 times:



Quoting Glom (Reply 13):
That seems like an ideal way to alienate your loyal customers, eg me.

Fly BA then  Silly



That'll teach you
User currently onlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1416 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2080 times:



Quoting Glom (Reply 16):
Well if you get lounge access in economy, who needs a Diamond Club card?

Lounge access currently comes with a Silver (or better) Diamond Club card allied with any (however cheap) Economy ticket.



Flown in: A30B,A306,A310,A319,A320,A321,A332,A333,A343,A346,A388,BA11,BU31,B190, B461,B462,(..51 types..),VC10,WESX
User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Hi

How busy is business class on UK and Ireland services with BMI these days??

I can't speak from personal experience but my partners company currently has a policy that states that you must travel on the lowest fare you can find. This policy applies to everyone from the chairman all the way down. The company employes around 600 people and is currently doing ok. All travel is short haul within the EU. This policy comes from the MD and the chairman questioning what benefit they get by paying business class fares on flights and first class on trains.

Its always been stated that business people need changeable tickets, however is that still really the case? I mean in many cases people don't need to be in the office all the time. So if a meeting finishes early can the employee not find a seat somewhere (coffee shop, airport etc) and work with a laptop and a blackberry?

When they first started with this policy it was very unpopular. People would ask for first class fares on trains and be told why do you need them, will it get you to the destination any faster? The answer was of course no. When it came to flights the argument would always be that they were no longer getting frequent flyers miles and that the did not get access to the lounge. The answer from the MD was always why is the company paying towards your holiday and if you want a cup of coffee or a glass of wine on the way home. Fine buy it and we will pay, still cheaper than business class flights.

Alex


User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1911 times:



Quoting Richcandy (Reply 19):

How busy is business class on UK and Ireland services with BMI these days??

I fly the DUB route about 8 to 10 times a month and I must admit, Business is rarely ever full. Infact I usually see no more then half a dozen people in there at any one time.



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User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Short haul business class is rarely in double figures - most corporate contracts require economy travel - hence the new service (most of the frills of business with an accountant friendly economy ticket). Especially on BHD and EDI, most of the business passengers are government officials (yes we're paying for that!).

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