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KLM's Last F-50 Flight On March 28  
User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10066 times:

According to luchtvaartnieuws.nl KL's last flight with the Fokker-50 will be on March 28.

Source: http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=33496

This leads me to the question how many F-50 operators will be left in Europe? BT and VLM come into my mind.


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9978 times:

My goodness, I didn't expect that to be for a while  Sad

Denim Air still operate many F50s which crop up on leases around Europe, whilst the VLM aircraft are now CityJet, and I can't see them staying for long either.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9825 times:



Quoting Severnaya (Thread starter):
March 28.

March 27 actually. As of March 28, they will have an all-jet fleet.

Anybody know what route this last flight will be? And will KL do something special for the last flight?



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User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9804 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 2):
Anybody know what route this last flight will be? And will KL do something special for the last flight?

I'm interested too. I looked at klm.nl, and I suspect the evening flight AMS-CGN being the last flight. I'm thinking about booking it, but 350 for a one-way AMS-CGN, seems a little overpriced, as KL always seems to be. :S



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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9744 times:

I flew on a Denim Air F-50 operated for SAS 2 years ago and absolutely loved it; the seats were comfy, the cabin roomy, and the ride smooth...hate to see these birds go! Severnaya, do you think these might be good for a 2nd tier operator in Russia (particularly in the north, as SAS seems to have had good luck with them)?

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9680 times:

I beleave SAS still use them on certain Norwegian domestic routes

User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3396 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9655 times:

What will they use on CGN-AMS after that?

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9634 times:



Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 3):
I'm thinking about booking it, but 350 for a one-way AMS-CGN, seems a little overpriced, as KL always seems to be

Ouch, that's a lot. I had the same with the last internal flight, but it was so expensive I decided not to. Either way, I'm not in the country at that time, so I can't take the last F50 flight. Too bad, I've never flown the F50 before.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 6):
What will they use on CGN-AMS after that?

I assume the F70. IIRC KL said the F70 would take over the majority of the F50 routes.



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User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9528 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 7):
I assume the F70. IIRC KL said the F70 would take over the majority of the F50 routes.

I thought KL's F50 were stored at CGN, so the evening flight might be also used as a ferry of the aircraft to storage in CGN.

If they drop the next morning flight, or send an F70 to pick the pax up, I don't know.



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User currently offlineVandenheuvel From Netherlands, joined Dec 2008, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9529 times:

Very sad topic. A long time common sight at AMS.

Quoting Severnaya (Thread starter):
This leads me to the question how many F-50 operators will be left in Europe?

Air Iceland, though they don't visit mainland Europe.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9513 times:

Wasn't one of H M Queen Beatrix's sons a FO on KLM F-50s at one stage? Is he still flying with KLM?

User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9513 times:



Quoting Afay1 (Reply 4):
Severnaya, do you think these might be good for a 2nd tier operator in Russia (particularly in the north, as SAS seems to have had good luck with them)?

I don't see this happening, there is no single F-50 operated in Russia at the moment, so unless they pick up a few it might be viable, although i'm not sure who would.

Some airlines up in the north are in no position to acquire new aircraft, while the ones who are managed good and make profits go for either Boeing/Airbus or domestic aircraft. In case of performance in harsh-conditions i think it wouldn't be a problem as has been seen in Norway&Sweden.

Although not in the north, Air Astana & Aero Mongolia operate them and the climate conditions there are roughly the same. Anybody has information if those two airlines enjoy their F-50s?

Are the F-50s of KLM cityhopper already sold to another airline?



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4650 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9494 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
Denim Air still operate many F50s which crop up on leases around Europe,

While chances are there, Denim Air is becoming more and more of a specialist in the 'difficult' countries. This shows in their operations in Nigeria, Afghanistan, Niger, Libya etc.



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User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 835 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9487 times:

Shame, loved flying this.

Turns up on the HUY - AMS quite alot.


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9392 times:



Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 3):
. I looked at klm.nl, and I suspect the evening flight AMS-CGN being the last flight. I'm thinking about booking it, but 350 for a one-way AMS-CGN, seems a little overpriced,

KL's sales are basically not selling one-ways. One-ways are on most routes very expensive, and booking a return is therefore the better option. You'll get 2 flights for a lower fare all together. If you book a return with good dates, including this last flight, and include e.g. a return to the Netherlands by train, you might be able to get an interesting schedule...
Good luck,



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9370 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10):
Wasn't one of H M Queen Beatrix's sons a FO on KLM F-50s at one stage? Is he still flying with KLM?

No, Crown Prince Willem Alexander is flying the F70. As far as I know he still uses KL to maintain his type rating.


User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9363 times:

Willem Alexander has been flying F50 before too.
Remember him doing the short hops from AMS to BRU before, or the AMS-ANR when it was still operating...



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User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9151 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 14):
One-ways are on most routes very expensive, and booking a return is therefore the better option.

You are right. I looked for a DUS-AMS-DUS option at klm.de, and found some interesting flights, one leg being split in two with transition in CDG. I'm now thinking of doing the DUS-AMS via CDG a week earlier, and AMS-DUS by F50 on the 26th or 27th. I can come home from DUS easy by train, and I could also fly the A318 DUS-CDG. The price is about 170, still not little money, but I guess it's worth it.
Two new types, both being quite rare and becoming more and more extinct.

Don't know yet if I have time for it, we'll see.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3648 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9074 times:

AMSTELVEEN - KLM vliegt met ingang van 28 maart alleen nog maar met straalvliegtuigen. Een dag eerder voert dochtermaatschappij Cityhopper de laatste lijndienstvlucht met een Fokker 50 uit. Dat meldt het KLM-personeelsblad Wolkenridder maandag (18 januari). De tweemotorige turbopropvliegtuigen zijn twintig jaar bij KLM in dienst geweest.

Na het vertrek van de F50 bestaat de vloot van KLM Cityhopper uit Fokker 70’s, Fokker 100’s en Embraer 190’s. Op Fokker 50-routes zet de regionale luchtvaartmaatschappij steeds vaker de Fokker 70 in.

Tussen 1990 en 2010 zijn bij KLM vijftien verschillende Fokker 50’s in dienst geweest. Het toestel werd voornamelijk gebruikt op korte routes naar zakelijke bestemmingen.

Translation in English:

AMSTELVEEN - KLM will fly only jet aircraft as of March 28th. One day earlier the last scheduled flight of a Fokker 50 in subsidiary Cityhopper will take place. The twin engine propeller aircraft have been in service with KLM for twenty years.

After the departure of the last F50, the KLM Cityhopper fleet will consist of Fokker 70's, Fokker 100's and Embraer 190's. On Fokker 50 routes the regional airline will assign Fokker 70's.

Between 1990 and 2010 there were fifteen different Fokker 50's in service. The aircraft was used on short routes to business destinations.



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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1800 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9019 times:
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Oh my, I didn't know this was coming! What a shame... Let's hope former VLM will still have them around!


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User currently offlineAlwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9015 times:

Why do they store them in CGN?
Is there a razor blade factory there?

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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8937 times:



Quoting Severnaya (Reply 11):
Although not in the north, Air Astana & Aero Mongolia operate them and the climate conditions there are roughly the same. Anybody has information if those two airlines enjoy their F-50s?

There are still quite a few F50's flying up north.
Air Astana - 6
Air Baltic - 10
Air Iceland - 6
Amapola(swe) - 9
Gotlands(swe) - 2
SAS - 5(all at nordlink)
Skyways(swe) - 8
Sundsvall(swe) - 1

So I guess it is fair to say they are doing pretty fine in cold conditions.
Also don't forget that in countries like Iran it can be pretty cold

Other European options are:
VLM - 7
VLM(cityjet) - 7
Hellasjet - 4

Quoting Alwaysontherun (Reply 20):
Is there a razor blade factory there?

F50's are not likely to be chopped.
They are still pretty good in the market and some are converted to freighter(miniliner has 4 now).



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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8917 times:

Sad to hear, though I already got two flights on WA birds (PH-LXP, KXH) and two on the Denim "Albinos" (PH-JXJ, JXK) back in 2006. Nice aircraft, though small windows and they never endeared me quite as much as the timeless F27s.

The F50s started life at WA on 23-07-90, correct? If so, another type that dies just short of round-numbered anniversary. Sad

Aloha,

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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7637 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8913 times:

I wasn't expecting to hear this for quite a few years at least .... real shame I loved flying the F50 so many times between AMS and DUS.


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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3767 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8885 times:

I've never flown on the F50 (only F27, actually the rare Fairchild version) so I'm really tempted to do this.

If I book the last AMS-CGN on Sat, Mar 27 (leaving AMS at 20:55), is this a safe bet that they will actually keep it a F50 flight or could they potentially swap (especially if multiple enthusiasts book now, so they upgrade it to a F70)

Well anyway, my trip up (weeks earlier) would include a F50, so I have 2 shots here.

Also, if it is indeed the last F50 flight, can I expect anything to be different on the flight? Like will they mention it, or make a special event of it?

Hoping for some quick replies from our Dutch members, so I can book

Soren  santahat 



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25 Alwaysontherun : Fair enough..........but is there a specific reason for CGN? ### "I am always on the Run"###
26 JRadier : If you need a 50 seat turboprop for normal airline operations in Europe, buy a Dash 8. If you need a 50 seat turboprop for difficult conditions, get
27 Shamrock604 : Dont throw a short, obstructed runway like LCY at it though, because then it runs into some weight and balance issues! Lovely aircraft though, more c
28 Trintocan : That's very sad to hear. My only F50 flights thus far were with WA from AMS to DUS and back in 2006. The F50 gave a very good ride on the short sector
29 Aviopic : More or less, it was 86/87. Hehe... it ain't a funeral or something. The F50 will continue to fly for another 20 years or so just like many F.27's ar
30 Birdwatching : I looked at the schedules, but all I find is ARJ85 on that route? Soren
31 Petertenthije : The AMS flights are now (mostly?) Cityjet ARJs. The VLM/Cityjet F50s operate from the secondary airports; Eindhoven, Rotterdam, Antwerp etc.
32 Airbuseric : All VLM schedules ex RTM (to HAM, to LCY) are F50's, 99,9% sure to fly it then. And, you'll receive a very good cabin service. You can find several t
33 Airbuseric : True, and also VLM offers good oneway deals which can be handy to combine something with eachother, e.g. back from another London airport. Additional
34 Shamrock604 : The F50 can be restricted to 38 pax depending on wind / temp at LCY. They do struggle slightly with the climb out due obstacle clearance.
35 MBMBOS : I remember with fondness a quick hop from Eindhoven to Schipol on an F-50. Since it was such a short distance we had quite a view of the land below.
36 Greggarious : Somebody get Avianca on the line, they have a penchant for making the most out of second-hand Fokkers.
37 Aviopic : Don't think they want the ex-KL frames, they are using the Hot 'n High version equipped with PW-127 instead of KL's PW-125 version. Gues AF has cheap
38 Jorge1812 : How many F-50 does KLM have at the moment? georg
39 Post contains links WouterB : According to this source they still have 6 F-50's active. I travelled on PH-KVI from AMS to DUS last september. Besides the long taxi ride to "Polder
40 Jorge1812 : Thanks, I thought it were a lot more. georg
41 Keesje : The first time KLM replaces an aircraft with a less fuel efficient aircraft ?
42 Alwaysontherun : What exactly is the difference................please. ### "I am always on the Run"###
43 Birdwatching : Good evening fellow Fokker friends! (wow I used "Fellowship" and "Friendship" in the same line!) The whole thing kind of fit my plans and I just booke
44 Post contains images Aviopic : Different engines, the P&W127B used on the Hot & High version as well as on the F60 is an upgraded version of the P&W125B used in the standard F50. I
45 Petertenthije : I tried with several dates and the best I get is rouhgly 250 euros return, which is a bit over 100 euros cheaper then KLM, but still more then I am w
46 Birdwatching : I combined it with a February 15 CGN-AMS flight at 68 EUR. That date is now sold out at that fare, but there are many other departure days in Februar
47 JRadier : I was talking dirt strip difficult
48 Petertenthije : KLM retired those already a few years ago. Now that SLM (Suriname) has also retired theirs, there are no 743s flying into AMS anymore.
49 Severnaya : Ain't AirBridgeCargo flying also their 743SF into AMS?
50 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : U.S. cargo carrier, Southern Air, has one 743 freighter (originally a Varig combi) and it visits AMS from time to time. Photo at AMS last month. View
51 MH017 : Last SCHEDULED KLC F50 flight is KL1026-27mar2010 from LHR !!! 2 hours earlier, KL1812 from CGN will land at SPL...
52 Severnaya : The evening departure (KL1813 of 20:55 AMS-CGN) is scheduled on KLMs website as being operated by F-50, which is later than LHR-AMS.
53 MH017 : In that case, KLM's website is NOT correct, as KL1804-28mar10 already has more than 50 passengers booked, so it definitely needs to be a F70 !!!
54 Birdwatching : Strange indeed, last flight into CGN is on a F50, then first flight in the morning on a F70. Unless they ferry it in, this makes no sense. Anybody ha
55 Daysleeper : Sorry to post off topic, but its been bugging me for ages. A couple of years ago on a HUY - AMS - JFK trip I was served what I think was apricot jam a
56 Severnaya : maybe this would explain that?
57 Birdwatching : Yes but then how does the F70 get into CGN if it operates the early 6 AM flight to AMS? Would they ferry that one in too? Makes no sense, but it is t
58 MH017 : me... OK, guys: The parking of KLC F50's at CGN was only temporary and have been gone back to AMS long ago (> 2 months)... KL1804-28mar10 has more th
59 Severnaya : or this one also get >50 bookings Thanks for the info anyway!
60 MEA-707 : I will be on the LHR flight ! Anyone else? I think and hope they will just let this flight sell out at 50 pax and not substitute it by a 737 or so.
61 MH017 : Up to now, you're the only one booked, Servaas
62 MH017 : Now 'upgraded' to a Fokker 70...
63 JRadier : Might just do a non-rev return to LHR for this!
64 MH017 : Me too (AMS-LHR 73H and LHR-AMS F50): might be nice if we make this an A.netters flight !!!
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