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Australian Aviation Thread 34  
User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 26737 times:

Thread 33 is now over 200 replies, so let's start a new one!

The discussion, which I've only just had a chance to catch up on after the wonderful experience of babysitting a budding planespotter for the past few months, included:

* Air Vanuatu to exit MEL
* Thai increases BNE-BKK flights
* Excess baggage on Virgin Blue
* New QF 738 cabin photos plus rollout discussion
* Cobham's new mining contracts
* Water bombing aircraft
* Jetstar - AirAsia JV
* Where next for the QF A380's?
* Route lengths flying to LHR via HKG
* The many Virgin brands - what happens when the restrictions on Virgin naming disappear?
* Old Qantas routes and timetables
* Tiger's IPO and negative flight experiences
* Viva Macau to drop SYD, increase MEL
* Rumour: Qantas to replace A333 with 747 on SYD-NRT route
* AN-124 to deliver NH90 helicopters in Brisbane
* Airways returns to TV

[Edited 2010-01-18 20:13:54 by allrite]


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User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 26701 times:

Copied from Thread 33:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 205):
looks like all-new Airways is coming back to grace our TV Screens, airing on 7Two for those that have Digital TV..... didnt TT learn that this did no good for them last season? Big grin

Did anyone bother watching the entire series? I couldn't cope with more than a couple of episodes. Just seemed like continuous whinging over the myriad of LCC restrictions.

A $40 infant fee for domestic flights means I probably won't fly with TT for at least another year, if I ever do. QF, JQ and DJ don't charge for infants domestically.



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User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 26647 times:



Quoting Allrite (Reply 1):
Did anyone bother watching the entire series? I couldn't cope with more than a couple of episodes. Just seemed like continuous whinging over the myriad of LCC restrictions.

A $40 infant fee for domestic flights means I probably won't fly with TT for at least another year, if I ever do. QF, JQ and DJ don't charge for infants domestically.

haha yes i did! My friends and i would sit there and laugh at the show... it was like comedy!
Like c'mon, people under the age of 18 cannot fly without an adult... fair enough that was changed but who honestly would make a pathetic rule like that.. please if anyone can tell me another airline in the world that has or had a rule like that please correct me...



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User currently offlineAirbusa322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 26507 times:

Its more BoganWays than Airways. It gets the Tiger Airways logo out there and people realize that they are there. I do agree that it is a bizarre way of showing the company, but it aint costing Tiger anything so the folks in the Marketing Department are all smiles.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 207):

Do PAX still fly them? i havnt seen a TT plane in a long time.. haha and i fly into MEL, OOL most days ha! ... or have the bottem end leisure traveller finally figure that catching the greyhound bus still got them to their destination quicker! haha Big grin

Seriously did the last series do any good for TT?? i think not... it just pointed out more reasons why you shouldnt fly TT

Anyway... if QF Group has anything to do with it.. they will be driven out of Australia.. TT open up a new route, JQ start that route, but double the flights that TT put in! Big grin

Getting passengers on board is not the issue, numbers sit at around 84% at the moment.

I think Mr Buchanan would be a little more frustrated now that the IPO has been a success considering all the "Industry Insiders" said this was an early grave for TT. Tiger is profitable at the moment if you put both operations' figures together, and yes one part of Tiger is still loss-making, although we are talking single figures now. Tiger Singapore has been profitable for years now, pulling in bigger numbers than 3K but that is how it should be considering TR's size and low cost base in SIN. Tiger have the power to grow their Singaporean base to 20/25 aircraft in 3/4 years, where as Jetstar would never contribute that much there.

Now that Tiger are launching a MEL-BNE, there is not much more that JQ would rush to compete with Tiger on that has a heavy QF presence. Routes like SYD/BNE, SYD/OOL, MEL-CNS etc all have Jetstar's presence, so Tiger would be only taking away JQ/DJ's pax rather than JQ coming in spoiling TT's run on a route (like MEL-SYD) and pushing yields to the absolute minimum. Good route to compare is ADL-OOL in which Tiger came along and just about killed Virgin and I dont know if any carrier is making money on this route anymore, yield is quite low and its certainly not the once crowned "highest load factor" route in the country before TT's entrance. But I guess Tiger can offset the load yield with their outrageous ancillary charges and zub-zero cost base.

Will be interesting to see TT's moves over the next 2 years.


User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 26453 times:

According to the flight arrivals on www.mel.com.au Etihad's EY 454 AUH-SYD is being diverted to Melbourne tonight.

The flight diverted to Colombo enroute and will miss the SYD curfew, so this plane is now due in MEL at 0020hrs on 20 Jan.

Anyone have an insight as to what the drama could be?
No mention also as to what time it will depart for SYD from MEL ?


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 26433 times:



Quoting Airbusa322 (Reply 3):
Will be interesting to see TT's moves over the next 2 years.

As a 16-20 year old you wont remember Compass Airlines in Australia. Tiger is heading in exactly the same direction. They are not making any profits here and are just lowering the standard of air travel to a sub Greyhound Bus level.

Tiger is run with a level of arrogance and contempt that Australians wont accept. I am all for competition but this is an industry where people have worked hard for decades to maintain a high level of pride and professionalism. Tiger's standards are just the lowest of the low when it comes to honour, integrity and customer service.



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 26399 times:



Quoting JQFlightie (Reply 2):
haha yes i did! My friends and i would sit there and laugh at the show... it was like comedy!

Too much like Big Brother inflight edition.  Smile

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 5):
As a 16-20 year old you wont remember Compass Airlines in Australia. Tiger is heading in exactly the same direction. They are not making any profits here and are just lowering the standard of air travel to a sub Greyhound Bus level.

Just thinking back to my very first Virgin Blue flight in December of 2004, SYD-BNE. We sat next to a rough looking bloke who stank of alcohol. It reminded me a lot of catching Countrylink trains and private coaches on the same route as a student.

Maybe BoganAir is a good thing. So long as it doesn't kill off the competition, maybe it can make flights that much more pleasant for the rest of us and give the unreasonable whingers something to complain about instead of always picking on Qantas.

I rather like the Jetstar level of LCC (or DJ NWC): A to B with no fuss (so long as ontime performance isn't critical - and if I'm on holiday it rarely is).

I just noticed that Tiger's fares are advertised ex-taxes and government charges on their website. I thought that this was a no-no in Australia.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 26401 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 5):
As a 16-20 year old you wont remember Compass Airlines in Australia. Tiger is heading in exactly the same direction. They are not making any profits here and are just lowering the standard of air travel to a sub Greyhound Bus level.

Tiger is run with a level of arrogance and contempt that Australians wont accept. I am all for competition but this is an industry where people have worked hard for decades to maintain a high level of pride and professionalism. Tiger's standards are just the lowest of the low when it comes to honour, integrity and customer service.

Thats abit far man. Tigers overheads are a lot lower than most and have given alot of people a chance to fly where they couldn't in the past. QF have moved JQ onto the routes to try and stop them, which further makes it a loss making environment. JQ are just as bad at all parts of their operation but have QF backing and can just be moved onto routes on demand to kill competition.

As fot Tiger''s arrogance, I have no idea how you can really believe that. If you busy a ticket with them, you fly by their rules. Watch Airways and see how stupid that some pax are. Thats not Tiger's fault. QF and JQ really haven't shown anything better in regards to customer service and standards for a long time so do not always blame the new carrier for ruining the industry.


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 26360 times:



Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 7):
As fot Tiger''s arrogance, I have no idea how you can really believe that. If you busy a ticket with them, you fly by their rules.

That's the problem. Tiger attract all these people and the fees are not easy to understand, not withstanding that some of their "rules" are ridiculous.

Try and call them and you'll find you are calling a long distance number. Try and email them - no wait you MUST send them a letter by snail mail. I just got an email from them - cheap fares than do not disclose the full costs and also a day ground pass fee of $29. Try explaining what a ground day pass is?

Most of their fees are not up front and fees that are significantly (typically 50%) more than other airlines.

Flights canceled - how do you think pax feel when they make the (long) journey to the airport to be told "sorry we have canceled your flight due to operational reasons" and "come back tomorrow" or "here's a $29 refund of your fare". In short if you wish to fly Tiger fly 1-2 days of when you need to arrive and 1-2 days ahead of when you need to return - oh and carry a sleeping bag in case your flight gets delayed a day or two

As I said before it's very sad state of affairs for ALL AUSSIE airlines and passengers when standards of business ethics fall to this level.

I dont want to see any regulation but TT is going to force the Government to introduce consumer rights for airlines in this country thanks to Tiger.

Try booking and making sense of their "rules". You will find you have no rights whatsoever apart from a refund when they cancel your flight (which they often do).



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User currently offlinePugsley From Australia, joined Jan 2010, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 26310 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 8):
cheap fares than do not disclose the full costs and also a day ground pass fee of $29. Try explaining what a ground day pass is?

The current Tiger sale you are refering to is for Flights Between MEL-SYD for $28 each way, and the advertisment states that the flights from Syd to Melbourne are cheaper than a ground pass to the current Australian Open in Melbourne. This Advertisment finishes with a "*" and if you read the fine print it says that a day ground pass between 18-24 Jan is $29. Therefore, Tiger are just proving that thier advertised sale is cheaper than a ticket to the Australian Open, it is not a fee that everyone needs to pay.

I do not want to defend tiger, but you get what you pay for. I recently flew tiger from MEL-SYD-MEL, up in the morning, back early afternoon. At check-in I was offered an exit row both ways, which i accepted and did not have to pay $25 for the privledge. The flights left on time, checkin at sydney was chaotic as they only had minimal staff and two flights being dispatched at the same time, but other than that, the only complaint i had was that although i purchased my $56 return airfare on the ausssie website, that was quoted in aussie dollars, when i checked my bank statement, i had been charged in singapore dollars, and as a result i also incured an international transaction fee from my bank. Now that is what i consider a hidden fee, I was not expecting it. Other than that, all their fees are there for you when you purchase your ticket, but like anything, you need to take your time, read what your are purchasing and then decide if you are doing the right thing.

I did however take out travel insurance. And that is what Australian need to start to do. That is what Travel insurance is for, in fact Tiger even offer travel insurance for $10 when you book your flight. Aussie are in for a rude shock if they think they can get through life on goodwill and good faith. The world and the travel industry are ever changing and when you travel you need to be flexible and ready for changes. As someone who works in the industry, my advice to every one is Take Out Travel Insurance For Everything.

I would fly tiger agian. Hopefully they introduce a self checkin process to speed this process up as that is what i see as their only drawback. Other than that, their product is same same as JQ.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 26299 times:

Another point to raise here is the more regulated things become, the more that prices seem to rise. So if you stop certain practices, others creep in. Tiger are following the laws in place so nothing illegal is being done. If that changes they will need to change their practices. I can see why you feel so strongly about it all but its the way life is in business. Its a very competitive industry and if airlines like Tiger go under, expect prices to rise on other airlines and then there will be those who complain that prices are too expensive. airlines just can not win these days.

In no way am I saying Tiger are perfect as I know they aren't but to say they are the evil one in the room out of all the carriers and that their practices are just used by just them is not correct. Many businesses and airlines included really do push boundaries all the time and they will continue to do so to survive. If its all within the laws, then there is nothing wrong with what they are doing.


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 26295 times:



Quoting Pugsley (Reply 9):
did however take out travel insurance. And that is what Australian need to start to do. That is what Travel insurance is for, in fact Tiger even offer travel insurance for $10 when you book your flight. Aussie are in for a rude shock if they think they can get through life on goodwill and good faith

Problem travel insurance doesn't cover you when they cancel a flight and you need to go to another carrier and pay the fare of the day. This is my biggest beef with Tiger. They run their fleet hard and when an a/c goes u/s or there is a staff issue there just cancel the flight. In many instances this means waiting for another day - so travel insurance is useless.

Quoting Pugsley (Reply 9):
Other than that, their product is same same as JQ.

At least JQ is part of Qantas. They do stand behind there product 100 times more than Tiger. JQ you can earn QF FF points and they do operate out of largely superior terminals with a much greater level of service. Excess luggage on TT is a whopping 50% more than on JQ.

Quoting Pugsley (Reply 9):
do not want to defend tiger, but you get what you pay for

This is true. But often on TT its not that cheap when you ad in all the other fees, especially with an infant and luggage

Quoting Pugsley (Reply 9):
i had been charged in singapore dollars, and as a result i also incured an international transaction fee from my bank

Typical Tiger rip off just to suit themselves



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User currently offlineAirbusa322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 26216 times:

Under Tiger's new procedures, if there is a cancellation they now do the following.
1. Move pax onto other daily flights if room
2. Move pax onto Virgin/Qantas flight. They have only been doing this for a few months now and have done it on many occasions in ASP/SYD/ADL.
3. Put pax up in Airport Accommodation/City Accommodation.

Self checkin will be one key to Tiger's success. And webcheckin too.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 26161 times:



Quoting Airbusa322 (Reply 12):
if there is a cancellation they now do the following.

It still doesn't stop them from bumping passengers off flights a few days out from flying and not notifying the passenger though. They seem like they are entitled to do that sort of thing and it's completely unacceptable.

Quoting Airbusa322 (Reply 12):
Self checkin will be one key to Tiger's success. And webcheckin too.

Two guesses why they haven't been implemented yet. It's a poorly thought out airline and a poorly executed one at that.



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User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 26152 times:

Getting back to news worthy articles here, DJ have officially announced services to Christmas Island and the Cocos Islands, both from Perth, using E190's. Priced from $464 one-way. That seems a steep price, but with the amount of pax they may be anticipating on the flights, it might be worth their while charging it.. Here's the link:

http://www.virginblue.com.au/AboutUs.../NewsandPressReleases/P_011376.htm


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5553 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 26055 times:



Quoting DJ748 (Reply 14):
DJ have officially announced services to Christmas Island and the Cocos Islands, both from Perth, using E190's. Priced from $464 one-way.

Here's the interesting bit:
"Virgin Blue Airlines Group Chief Executive, Brett Godfrey, said Virgin Blue was pleased to have been awarded the contract to provide services to Christmas and the Cocos Island, boosting its domestic network to 30 Australian destinations."

Unless its changed, and changed a lot, the fares are set by the department, what ever its called now days and you need a permit to visit.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 25753 times:

JAL going into administration - any thoughts on the impact to their routes to Australia and the code-sharing with QF. The other threads (generally US centric) seem to be leaning towards JAL moving to SkyTeam and leaving OW - any significant impact here?

User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 898 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 25731 times:



Quoting Pugsley (Reply 9):
I do not want to defend tiger, but you get what you pay for

Never a truer word was spoken (the latter half of the sentence).

Quoting Pugsley (Reply 9):
Other than that, their product is same same as JQ

without labouring the point, I respectfully disagree. JQ has seat allocation, amongst other things etc etc.
And may I welcome you to A.Net, (especially the Aussie thread), looking forward to you thoughts in the future  goodvibes 



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 25650 times:



Quoting AusA380 (Reply 16):
JAL going into administration - any thoughts on the impact to their routes to Australia and the code-sharing with QF

I preusme they'll keep some Australian flights. As for the NZ codesharing, I reckon they will pull out of the block buy agreement which will see NZ drop KIX and reduce NRT to 767 from 777


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 25373 times:

I note VBA in ASX is now at .65 up from a 3 month low of .45. That's almost a 40% jump in share price


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 25248 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 19):
I note VBA in ASX is now at .65 up from a 3 month low of .45. That's almost a 40% jump in share price

I'm happy I bought into the share riasing late last year at 20c!


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 25184 times:

I'm no royal watcher, but interesting that prince william flew back to london on QF 29 yesterday, and in business rather than first class.

Was QF29 one of the sectors that First class was removed from?


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 25147 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 21):
Was QF29 one of the sectors that First class was removed from?

Indeed it was - so no doubt he paid J and got to fly in an F seat! Perhaps even the whole F cabin


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 24999 times:

Apparently there is a leak onto YouTube of Air New Zealand's new longahul product, but you have to be a member to see it (which I am not)

User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24999 times:

Perth Airport will have it's main runway closed for nine weeks from 1 February between 7am and 7pm for maintanence, meaning all departing and arriving aircraft will use the cross-runway.

Will be funny to see a similar lineup to JFK when all the mining flights are waiting in line to take off at 6am!


25 ANstar : Can you post a link a sI cant find it
26 VH-BZF : QF 751 Monday SYD/MNL/HKG/DEL/THR/AHN/LON. I flew on this B707 V-Jet service back in 1969 From Sydney, however, my flight had to stop in Darwin for fu
27 Pilotdude09 : Think you kind of shot yourself in the foot there...............read your post then read your comment Thats the whole reason Westralia has chosen to
28 Ben175 : Oh wow, that's humiliating! Haha! Haven't been getting enough sleep obviously. I would assume the other runway would be closed the entire time though
29 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/a...iable/story-e6frfq80-1225822545502 Figures released by the Federal Government show that on time performance imp
30 Thegeek : I don't get this. Subbing in a 3 or 4 class for a plane going u/s is one thing, but intentionally flying those 4 class birds around without trying to
31 ZK-NBT : The flight is generally always a 4 class aircraft. They don't have any spare 2 class aircraft to operate the route and usually the aircraft changes i
32 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...rport/story-e6frfku0-1225823312178 HUNDREDS of passengers at Perth's Domestic Airport have been delayed after a
33 Post contains links Ditzyboy : The First seats are sold as Business, the lower deck Business seats sold as Premium Economy and PE sold as Economy. The configuration is 38J28W287Y.
34 Post contains links Jetfuel : LOW-COST carrier AirAsia X wants to start flying direct from the Gold Coast to New Zealand this year "As an airline we are doing what we can to help m
35 TruemanQLD : So it will be to Christchurch then? I dont know if the OOL-NZ market needs anymore competitors... it will just drive off the rest of the competition
36 Post contains links Boof : How long are QF planning on doing this on QF29/30? I have a friend travelling in May and it would be worth trying to upgrade with points to prem econ
37 6thfreedom : I agree. adding over 12000 seats per month in a market which already has over 27,000 seats is a big increase, even bigger if its to CHC, which curren
38 VHMATHY : Does this mean if i book a PE seat on this flight I am guaranteed a Skybed? What about the upper deck business seats? Why would someone pay twice the
39 CHCalfonzo : I haven't seen anyone mention a daily flight. They would most probably start with 3 or 4 pw. Remeber also that it would be a KUL-OOL-CHC service, the
40 TN486 : Hi, having read your post, and doing a search for, say, Feb 25, CNS - LHR, I have come up with the following for you: CNS - SIN - LHR QF271/QF9 $1088
41 VHMATHY : Departures for the first 10 days of Feb are all around 17k! Thanks for yr help but I'll just choose something else ex BNE....
42 Ditzyboy : Until a new config is decided upon and installed throughout the fleet. If your flight is ops by a 4-cl 744, then yes. Some 2cl-744 flights ops with t
43 Thegeek : Thanks, I was expecting an informed reply from you when I posted. Isn't the total number of FA's a constant though? Or did you mean there would be an
44 The Coachman : There are normally a number of dedicated F class FA's which operate a particular flight. By reducing numbers of FA's required for an F service to tak
45 TN486 : With the exception of Fri 6 Feb you can fly QF51 BNE - SIN then QF31 SIN - LHR for a J class fare of $9925. It would appear that on Fri 6 Feb J is so
46 Ditzyboy : As per The Coachman's reply the number of FAs will decrease with a higher proportion of Economy seats. First and Business FAs come from the same pool
47 Post contains links Jetfuel : ILS fails at CNS http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2010/01/26/89791_local-news.html
48 Ryan h : I think Strategic Aviation's A320 will start flying services soon as it was doing crew training flights over the last few days. SYD/MEL/ADL etc.
49 AirIndia : Hooters Air maybe
50 DJ748 : They already operate it (or atleast one of the 2 of them) on behalf of Solomon Airlines on the BNE-HIR route. This training could be part of putting
51 6thfreedom : I'd suggest you book a cheap CNS-SIN flight on JQ separately. Pay for extra leg room etc. Then book another flight SIN-LHR. Choice of QF, SQ and BA n
52 Post contains links Allrite : Based upon a line in a Virgin Blue-Delta anti-trust filing to the US government the Sydney Morning Herald suspects DJ will seek to join Skyteam. Sourc
53 Post contains links Brad330 : I was just reading about Cairns International Airport on Wikipedia and in the future destinations section ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairns_Airpor
54 JQFlightie : I cannot see where it says that about QF, but i see all the rest. But i dont think QF would be launching any US routes from CNS anytime soon... maybe
55 Post contains links Jetfuel : Credit When credit is due http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...iland/story-e6frfku0-1225823984677 Jetstar has reimbursed the flight and accommodatio
56 JQFlightie : see they arnt all bad but.... wow what a expensive excersice!!
57 TruemanQLD : It is nice to read an article about an airline doing something right...
58 JQFlightie : If only the general public actually knew about all the really good things JQ actually do when things go wrong.. i get to see it all. Its only when th
59 Post contains links Allrite : Jetstar has signed an A$3.9 billion dollar deal with IAE for their V2500 SelectOne engines for the new A320 fleet. They have also announced that SMS b
60 Post contains links and images Allrite : FlightGlobal reports that Virgin Blue are considering adding a third class in between (seat pitch wise) economy and premium economy. Wonder what they
61 Post contains links Allrite : But according to The Australian their current (but departing CEO) Brett Godfrey dismisses joining an alliance under his watch. They are also looking
62 Jackbr : saw on YSSY message board that QF is to remove F on ALL 747s and only offer F product on 12 A380s on SYD-LAX and SYD-SIN-LHR. A380 also to have premiu
63 Flyboysp : Also J on the remaining 747s will be like on the A380.
64 Jrfspa320 : Does QF not have any plans for Y+ on the A330s?
65 IndianicWorld : I would think that F would still remain on any A380 route operated by QF, including from MEL, not just the 2 listed routes. QF have invested heavily
66 Post contains links Sydscott : Further to this; http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...ium-seating-faces-union-test/page1 QF announces their December 6 month result on February 18t
67 Thegeek : It's surprising that so many A380s will be without F. Seems like they plan to stop F permanently MEL-HKG-LHR, and maybe on SYD-BKK-LHR (or one other
68 Sydscott : The rumoured plan is for all A380's not serving SYD-SIN-LHR and SYD-LAX to be without an F cabin. So, although this doesn't sound right to me, I'd su
69 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Really does seem like a big mistake but QF are great at making those F travellers in MEL particularly will just move onto other options as QF were al
70 Allrite : If the cost of keeping the F cabins outweighs the revenue from those passengers who might use them, I guess they just have to say goodbye. Especially
71 Sydscott : 2 things strike me as odd which is why I think MEL-SIN-LHR will keep the F configured A380; 1. To do 2 daily SYD-LAX plus 1 daily SYD-SIN-LHR require
72 Allrite : Thanks! I'd hope that F passengers are more diverse than that junket list (what about CEO's of larger companies?). It doesn't sound like a stable sou
73 DavidByrne : I'm sure that, whatever they decide, QF will have done their homework and the decision will be a matter of commercial judgement. Given the competitio
74 Post contains images Allrite : The Middle Eastern airlines probably have the rich oil sheik market sewn up, but I really think that there might be an entertainment industry market
75 Jetfuel : First Class costs a fortune to provide as a dedicated service. Reality is less than half the seats get sold to full cash paying passengers. Removing F
76 Thegeek : I don't really think it makes much sense on the second daily SYD-LAX flight. You might as well have a MEL-LAX F service, with a daily 3.5 class A380
77 IndianicWorld : The Heald Sun are reporting that Tiger is likely to move all its MEL flights to Avalon (AVV) from later in the year. No official announcements have be
78 Thegeek : Why do JQ need to do anything? From all accounts they would be the prefered operator out of AVV.
79 IndianicWorld : JQ really have a habit of making defensive decisions, so writing it off that they would not do anything may be abit short sighted. Facts are: JQ were
80 Thegeek : All those issues you raise lead me to question the suggestion that ALL flights will move from MEL to AVV. Just because a deal has been struck with the
81 IndianicWorld : Well in an idea world both their HQ and maintenance would be co-located at AVV if they moved, but the contract they have is with John Holland Aviatio
82 6thfreedom : There is little room to grow out of T4 at Melbourne. HQ will stay at MEL, as will maintenance. TT will make JQ look silly, and as pointed out, contin
83 Huaiwei : Australia is not a unique market, and the anti-LCC rhetoric you constantly spew is no different from what I have heard amongst Europeans, Americans o
84 Post contains images Allrite : Hehe $100 probably wouldn't cover most hotels (okay, maybe the "pub" hotel) in Australian metropolitan areas, not that you wouldn't have too much cha
85 DJMEL : Virgin Blue enters into Codeshare Agreement on MEL/SYD and BNE/SYD services with Delta Air Lines on selected Virgin Blue flights meanwhile terminating
86 Post contains links and images Huaiwei : Well that is the quotation that I get here in Singapore (which, I may remind, is $100 every six hours. An overnight delay can mean claiming at least
87 Post contains links and images HKGKaiTak : QF has announced additional intra-Western Australian services with an additional 737-800 based in PER: Press release: http://www.qantas.com.au/regions
88 VHSMM : I'm surprised at the lack of comment re the renewal by the ACCC of the QF/BA Joint Service Agreement. I know it is a bit of a ho-hum but it did reveal
89 smi0006 : TollDnata has been anounced as the new handeling agent for MU in MEL (not sure about other ports). They now handel in MEL CZ, MU, PR, VA, QR and EK. A
90 ZK-NBT : They aren't dropping it, rather it is being suspended in certain months or on certain dates. Also read elsewhere that EY are looking at ADL and have
91 Post contains links QF175 : Source
92 smi0006 : An extra seven flight I think to major airports plus seven to regional airports I think. ADL would see like a good candidate before EK sets up shop t
93 JQFlightie : there was a QF 744 at gate 11 in the QF domestic terminal at MEL this morning. Was it headingto PER?
94 smi0006 : I hope (but doubt) that QF could some how take advantage of this, I feel that a truly competitive service out of MEL to PVG could work, and yet still
95 QF175 : 1. Excellent news, with permanent (read year-round) mainland China-Brisbane services possibly on the cards. 2. Didn't Virgin Atlantic show interest i
96 alangirvan : I thought James Hogan had said EY was not interested in ADL, but ( if I am right) some Australian bilateral agreements are written so that overseas c
97 Sydscott : Qantas was as interested as well. Don't know if they still are. I think that once the business market starts picking up we'll see both SYD-PEK and ME
98 ditzyboy : It is parked there often, as opposed to a remote stand. It is towed over from International between flights. Perhaps there is less charges as it is a
99 Post contains images JQFlightie : i believe it was used this morn for the Antarctica Charter just found out
100 VHMATHY : Im 99% sure that with the current UK-Australia rights agreements Qantas isnt allowed to fly from Australia to the UK via mainland China or the USA.
101 Post contains images allrite : VS already do - it's LHR-HKG-SYD. I see that, according to the Chinese Embassy: I guess that makes Shanghai a reasonable stopover point, but transit/
102 NZ107 : Yeah, I was about to suggest something like that because it wouldn't make sense to go to the international terminal..
103 Gemuser : You got a link or source? OZ certainly HAD rights to the UK via USA and via HKG if not "Red" China. I know there were some changes, but I though they
104 allrite : Are Qantas planning to retire their 734's as more 738's get delivered? The 738's seat more passengers (depends on the configuration how many more), so
105 JQFlightie : im not sure but i have seen a few QF 734's flying around in various ports in oz painted in the updated livery... so they may be staying??
106 IndianicWorld : Where did you hear that rubbish? No such thing has happened. The fact that 2 gates were not opened so far on the extention has to do with the fact th
107 6thfreedom : Talk about forcing Chinese carriers to operate to Brisbane. the 2000 additional seats are exclusively for BNE services. What happened to the big 4 ai
108 IndianicWorld : The number of seats 'allocated to BNE may not even get taken up. Its just an allowable limit.
109 NZ107 : Jetconnect's 734s were painted in the new livery.. And they shouldn't be around for that much longer.
110 6thfreedom : The agreement leaves the current 8500 seats untouched, and ONLY provides for 2000 seats to BNE only. Yes, they may not be taken up, but it also restr
111 Sydscott : They'll be around for another year or so at least because the next lot of QF 738's aren't due for delivery until early next year.
112 NZ107 : Is that the same expected arrival time of QF's own 738s to replace the Aussie domestic 734 fleet?
113 Sydscott : Yup. The exact timetable I'm not sure of but on the investor day the QF fleet plan included 3 738's for 2010 FY delivery and 6 for FY 2011 delivery.
114 pilotdude09 : Pretty insane really for a permanent population of 15,000 and around 12,000 FIFO workers....... In addition to Qantas we have 11 weekly Skywest fligh
115 6thfreedom : DRW-KTA also on the way...
116 Sydscott : I would expect that once you see the Gas projects off of Darwin start coming online that the DRW-KTA corridor will be another key route for QF mainli
117 smi0006 : That makes perfect sense. Thanks Has there been any update on when the next A380s ill be delivered? With the next A332 (EBN) due shortly any word on
118 rsg85 : Was waiting for a flight at MEL yesterday and noticed a QF744 land and taxi directly to the cargo terminal, i looked a few minutes later and noticed a
119 pilotdude09 : I believe Melbourne is the priority for Woodside, as they have alot of specialists based there due to the gas projects off the Victorian coast. Howev
120 Sydscott : You'd be surprised. That's why we have KTA-BNE becuase there are actually quite a few gas co's based there and the supporting specialists. But the re
121 Post contains links AusA380 : QF announces 1/2 Year Profit of $58m, pays not dividend. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...rg95x-1225831628529?referrer=email
122 Post contains links Airvan00 : New seats and inflight entertainment for Qantas B744's http://imagesignal.comsec.com.au/asxdata/20100218/pdf/01038507.pdf
123 kiwiandrew : Interesting that they are only refitting 9 of the 744s .. I assume the 6 -400ERs plus the 3 newest non ERs will get the refit and the rest will head
124 Post contains links JQFlightie : Looks like the QF Group remains strong with its two-brand strategy dispite the global financial problems. More planes have come and more are on their
125 Post contains images allrite : I think that this will solve my dilemma of which Qantas aircraft I prefer. Combining the economy seat and entertainment options of the A380 with the
126 smi0006 : Just a shame that we will have to wait a whiloe yet before we see the new configurations; The upgrade and reconfiguration program will commence at th
127 jetfuel : That's 18 744's to dispose of - basically a/c built 1992 and older will go. Thats a lot of planes that will be sold. I just hope they are written off
128 aussie747 : I think QF amortized their cost over 15 years. So I think most if not all have been depreciated already in value to relatively low values.
129 AusA380 : No comments about upgrading the International A330's business class to the lie flat. Is this because they will be replaced by the 787 when they come o
130 jetfuel : In past decades QF sold of a/c at 10-15 years of age. If they depreciate them over 15 years then why dont they sell them at 10-15 years and get a dec
131 Gemuser : Qantas have just changed their write policy for aircraft quote The Group is also changing its estimated fleet residual values based on the introducti
132 jetfuel : Have you thought about the accelerated depreciation allowance (investment allowance) that was introduced last year. I know rates change but the last
133 travelhound : Depreciation of aircraft is a little bit more complicated than just a straight forward percentage per year. In QF's instance (and I am doing this fro
134 Gemuser : AFAIK only applies to assets ORDERED after it was introduced, which makes it fairly usless to airlines. There could also be a max limit on it, which
135 Post contains images JQFlightie : totally unrelated, but i read many threads and have no idea what this acronym stands for please help this young one! haha
136 Gemuser : Certainly: As Far As I Know also common In My Humble Opinion Gemuser
137 Post contains images JQFlightie : Thankyou sooooooo much! haha
138 bjwonline : It is disappointing that yet again QF are making plans for long-haul cabin upgrades/uniformity and have completely left out the A330 fleet. When you c
139 HKGKaiTak : It's not so much who Woodside / Rio / BHP has on their books but also their contractors - to get the job done they are all hiring quite a few people
140 Sydscott : Actually under the Self Assessment system they could try to if they wanted. However QF only has itself to blame because they can hardly argue that th
141 TN486 : Is there anyway of checking, publicly, how this route is really doing? On checking their website it shows into MEL Fri evening and out again Sun even
142 jetfuel : SINGAPORE budget carrier Tiger Airways said today it will provide a chartered aircraft that will exclusively fly foreign guests visiting the city's fi
143 Zkpilot : The A330s are due to have the new Panasonic IFE fitted replacing the current IFE/IFE-less aircraft. I understand they are due to have refreshed seat
144 HKGKaiTak : Well the contractors may have offices in PER but it doesn't mean ALL their workers for north-west projects have to come from PER - FIFO doesn't just
145 TN486 : Hmmmm, QF sometimes fly a 734 MEL-PER. e.g QF777 Sat 27 Feb. Thats against the "westerlies" and I would expect KGI to be an alternate, however as you
146 Gemuser : I suspect another factor COULD be that there is an alternate that is suitable (ie long enough) for a F100 that is not suitable for a B734. Just a gue
147 pilotdude09 : As Sydscott alluded to Port Hedland really only has one industry....Iron Ore and a very very minor player in Salt. Karratha and the region around (Ca
148 Singapore 777 : pilotdude09, there is only one A332 in the Qantas mainline fleet that does not have IFE (well not personal TV IFE at least), and that's running betwe
149 ditzyboy : Yes, they have. The existing domestic fleet will not be refitted with the PTV product. Surely you mean MEL-KGI? I have worked many KGI-PER flights on
150 Post contains images Sydscott : But the reality is that the actual mine workers, and most of the contractors, do move their families with them to PER when they go to work on the min
151 Post contains links RobMEL : Australia and Turkey have signed a bi-lateral agreement for up to 5 direct flights a week for airlines of each nation (forgive me for not knowing whic
152 NZ107 : It would be possible to use the 77W on IST-PER - it's a similar distance to DXB-SYD and SYD-LAX. But there'd most likely be a stopover somewhere beca
153 smi0006 : I thought that TK had already announced their intentionas to fly to MEL or SYD via CGK in 2011-12, but that was sometime last year. I shall do some s
154 6thfreedom : the agreement is a joke. entitlements for 5 flights per week, maximum of 3pw to any Australian port. on one hand you have qantas going on about 3pw t
155 Ben175 : So if TK do plan to fly to both SYD and MEL, it would be: 3 x weekly IST-CGK-SYD and 2 x weekly IST-CGK-MEL? I think in theory, a 2 x weekly IST-PER
156 6thfreedom : They can extend over any SE Asian country, not just Indonesia. Yes, that's right. max 3pw to any 1 port - highly inefficient.
157 Ben175 : Stupid. Absolutely stupid. How does the gov expect TK to make a profit and become a valuable player in the Kangaroo route when they only offer three
158 Gemuser : Now explain to me why the Oz government would care about that? It's not as if more compertation is really needed on the Kangaroo Route. Gemuser
159 6thfreedom : Ben, you have answered your own question. No doubt the entitlements were set up like that to prevent or discourage TK of coming into the market.
160 Ben175 : My bad. I need to get more sleep! Just wondering, did QF ever confirm HNL going 332? If so, when is the innaugral date as i'm interested in visiting
161 gardermoen : Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 159): Ben, you have answered your own question. No doubt the entitlements were set up like that to prevent or discourage TK
162 Post contains links DJ748 : Virgin Blue have announced their half-year financial figures today. Net income of $62.5million for the 6 months ending December 2009. Also at the same
163 thegeek : 50!!! I would presume this is inclusive of options and purchase rights, but even 15 firm orders is ambitious in the current market climate. One would
164 jetfuel : some is expansion but they plan on a lot of fleet renewal. DJ would rather have new planes than old
165 QF175 : 1. Qantas will introduce 747-400s on six weekly QF21/QF22 SYD/NRT/SYD services eff JUL10. The seventh weekly service will be operated by an A330-200.
166 QF175 : Air Vanuatu will re-introduce services from Brisbane and Sydney to Espiritu Santo effective late MAR10. The carrier only recently suspended services t
167 thegeek : I've expected this for years, but I wonder why not just daily with a 744? Is this to be with 4 class birds, or are they going to reconfigue a couple
168 Zkpilot : Supposed to be 2-class 744s (although sold as 3 with W in B-zone). These are being freed up by AKL-LAX changing to daily A332 to carry on to JFK.
169 thegeek : Hmm, I thought loads were good on the AKL-LAX sector. Are yields bad, or is my info incorrect?
170 Post contains links and images QF175 : Source I see PacificFlier is now just waiting for D.O.T approval to commence services, having overcome other hurdles. Cheers
171 NZ107 : Yields aren't great - QF cut the 3-class planes flying this route quite early on, IIRC. And NZ took F out. So that's saying something. Loads tend to
172 ANstar : Perfect JQ route then.
173 Zkpilot : By early on you are talking many years ago! Well before the GFC. As for loads, they are actually pretty steady year round with obvious peaks around h
174 NZ107 : Indeed. Very early. But it did show.. What are the plans for Y+ in the A332s? In other words, how much longer do I have to book Y+ to get a J class s
175 ANstar : No plans for Y+ in the A330's
176 bjwonline : When is QF changing LAX-JFK to a A332? This has been speculated on a.net for a while but nothing confirmed by QF. Checking the timetable on the QF we
177 Post contains links TN486 : Rumoured some time back, but apparently just announced by QF direct services MEL and SYD to KARRATHA to commence in May 2010. Source: http://money.nin
178 NZ107 : It seems like they've been promoting Y+ quite a bit so when they do switch it over, I wonder if they'll keep 'Y+' or revert back to J and Y only.. Wh
179 QF175 : Canberra-based Brindabella Airlines will introduce another permanent service on Fridays between Brisbane and Tamworth bringing total services on Frida
180 pilotdude09 : I'm sure would of surprised a lot on this board but at least it's finally been announced! Pricing is pretty good too KTA-PER $234 one way, KTA-SYD/ME
181 AirbusA322 : Tiger Airways Aus is now profitable, or has been since late August. Big slap in the face for all those skeptics out there. It was only last week that
182 Zkpilot : Probably won't have Y+, or the B-zone J seats might be sold as Y+ (W). there are 12 seats there. I think end April/May it is supposed to change over.
183 6thfreedom : JQ followed TT to MEL to fight them off PER, ADL, SYD and OOL. My money is on TT putting 2-3 aircraft in AVV, but leaving some ops at MEL. Just watch
184 ZK-NBT : The schedules havn't been fully updated yet. I'm surprised QF aren't doing anything with the A330s regards W class, they fly similar routes to Asia t
185 Post contains images TN486 : When JQ moved some AVV-SYD ops to MEL, the following occurred. A slight downgrade AVV-SYD with commencement of ops MEL - SYD. so in this instance I w
186 kiwiandrew : To the best of my knowledge AKL-SFO never operated with F , in fact , IIRC the service was launched with the first refitted 744
187 bookishaviator : An interesting sight this afternoon: an Orenair 737 parked outside the John Holland hangar at Melbourne Airport. Does anyone have more information abo
188 vhqpa : That is an ex DJ 73H (VOG) coming off lease AFAIK it still wears it's Australian registration. VOH will follow Vhq.
189 TN486 : Did you get a pic??. I believe we will get more "strange" sights as time goes by as there are a number of DJ leased ac to come off lease and go to ne
190 bookishaviator : Sadly, no. Bugger! Thanks for the info vhqpa.
191 ZK-NBT : AKL-SFO started June 30th 2004, the first refitted 744 entered service in July 2005.
192 VHECA : Yup, it is due to go to the Russian based Carrier. Have a couple of pics from a spotting weekend this weekend, but unfortunately, a lot of chain link
193 ditzyboy : There are 18 Skybeds in B Zone on the 332.
194 EK413 : Are you referring to the BA009-BA010 LHR-SIN-SYD-SIN-LHR... -EBJ will be heading off to JQ later on this year to expand international services... JQ
195 thegeek : Theoretically the MEL-AKL sector is still there, but a 5 hour wait in AKL to head to MEL would be a bit of a disincentive. Obviously, if they are cut
196 kiwiandrew : Ooops , guess I didnt recall correctly . I stand ( or more accurately cringe ) corrected .
197 Post contains links and images rsg85 : I have a nice photo of a fence with an aircraft in the background from Saturday morning, i took a shot just to get the rego, not a single working pen
198 TN486 : Looks kinda good, a OZ rego on an ac painted in a Russian airline scheme. Thanks for sharing. I also received a photo of same ac on a PM from another
199 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : Wonder what the folks at Skywest are thinking now. I wonder if the economics still stack up for their much talked about A320 KTA-MEL flights ... meth
200 Post contains links BNE : http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20100302/pdf/31p1177rc52cdq.pdf FORMER Qantas executive general manager John Borghetti has been appointed the next chief
201 Post contains images TN486 : Confirmation of a rumour that was floating around some time back. Talk about releasing the proverbial "cat amongst the pidgeons". Sit back, seatbelts
202 Post contains images Sydscott : Or they'll see them for the flying garbage bag they are. It depends on which Corporate Accounts Skywest can get to support the service. From QF's poi
203 Zkpilot : I am quite surprised by this... people in such influential positions in most companies usually sign a contract with a clause inhibiting them from wor
204 DJMEL : Well Finally it has been confirmed the new CEO of DJ - John Borghetti, he will definately lift the airline to the next level as someone who should hav
205 Sydscott : With him being passed over by QF for the CEO's role he was probably let go with a fairly minimal non compete clause in his contract. John Borghetti w
206 ANstar : Dont be too surprised! He had one and it expired in November last year. I reckon it will be a 1 brand strategy - V Australia. Why try and immitate QF
207 Sydscott : Agreed. I think you'll see the name Virgin Blue disappear eventually to be replaced by V Australia, V Pacific etc. Makes sense to standardise the bra
208 alangirvan : Like Gary Toomey?
209 thegeek : I'd prefer the Pacific Blue name being the one that lingers on.
210 VHSMM : One thing that Borghetti knows about and Hogan doesn't is the Australian marketplace.
211 HKGKaiTak : It was reported in the Northern Territory News today that Tiger is pulling off ASP-ADL from end of March. They did quote a Tiger spokesperson as a sou
212 JQflightie : Do they actually spend more then 6 months on a route? They dont spend enough time on a route to give it a real go...
213 747m8te : Well...to be fair...they have only pulled out of three other routes...MEL-DRW, MEL-NTL and ADL-PER (err plus the CBR routes which have stopped and st
214 Sydscott : [ Shudder! Let us not mention that poor fellow. So what? Rod Eddington didn't know much about the Hong Kong marketplace or the British marketplace but
215 Post contains images JQflightie : These routes that they have pulled out of have great loads for their competitors, i have operated all of these flights and there are room for more fl
216 Aussie_ : Pacific Blue is commencing 2x weekly BNE-ZQN from June 25 on Fridays and Sundays. Is this a seasonal service or a year-round proposition?
217 alangirvan : Well, Virgin Blue have also had a go at ASP, and they did not like it either. Other routes out of ADL seem to be a bit scratchy for them - I wonder i
218 Post contains links BNE : QantasLink announced today it would increase services to Mackay and Rockhampton in Central Queensland from 6 April 2010. Under the enhanced schedule,
219 AirbusA322 : Tiger could enter back into Newcastle now with a once daily departure and sustainable fill it. Tiger struggled out of Newcastle last time due to abso
220 TN486 : Brisbane???
221 Post contains links BNE : I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. http://www.canberraairport.com.au/PDF/AirportOpenDay.pdf Canberra Airport Open Day Sunday 28 March 2010 9:30am
222 Post contains links jetfuel : A QANTAS flight attendant has fallen from a plane and hit the tarmac while shutting the doors before take-off at an airport near Uluru. The flight att
223 kiwiandrew : If she fell 3 metres headfirst as the article says then she is incredibly lucky to only have minor injuries , I wish her a full and speedy recovery .
224 jetfuel : Likewise. Sounds like a 737. But that is still quite a drop on to a hard surface. Sounds very lucky
225 Aussie_ : Hi BNE I'll be there (at the CBR airport open day). In fact I know of enthusiasts from as far as PER coming along. Outside Avalon, there really aren't
226 6thfreedom : ??? what would be a Qantas served airport 'near' Uluru? or did you mean at uluru?
227 RobMEL : Technically, AYQ serves the Yulara township and resort, which is about 20 mins drive from Uluru the monolith. So, saying "near Uluru" is not incorrec
228 Post contains links jetfuel : http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...ourne/story-e6frfku0-1225837455248 "The flight from Christchurch aborted a landing in heavy fog on July 21, 200
229 ditzyboy : It was a QantasLink/Cobham 717. Their door opening/closing procedures are very different to QantasGroup airlines.
230 jetfuel : Thanks for that info. Less drop from a 717 than a 737. Just guessed 737 when the report said Qantas
231 vhqpa : When did this happen this morning? the only departure before 1130 is QF1940 to ASP but that departed on time and arrived 20 minutes early. Although I
232 Post contains links TN486 : For those interested John Borghetti is being interviewed on ABC's Inside Business this Sun 1000am. For those of you who are unable to see it live you
233 RobMEL : There's a Royal Flying Doctor's base at Yulara...even if the physical base is at the township, there are good odds there'd be some medical personnel
234 TN486 : Says it all, was she flown to ASP with RFDS, or private charter on behalf of QF/Cobham??. On the topic of"remote" locations, I suspect all airports s
235 ditzyboy : Not much a difference (less than a metre from memory). The difference is certainly negligable when you are talking about 'head first'! Primary first
236 smi0006 : For those who are interested, the new outbound pax processing facility has opened in MEL, while much larger, still seems lacking in any style to me, n
237 Post contains links TN486 : John Borghetti is also featured in the link below. www.theaustralian.com.au/business. Conjecture as to what the bet may be??
238 Post contains links BNE : Link to Australian Aviation Thread 35. Australian Aviation Thread 35 (by BNE Mar 5 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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