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Avianca Back To Paris.  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8075 times:

According to Aviation Letter , Avianca will start serving CDG on May17th with 2 weekly A330 flights.
Wonderful news as AV missed Paris !
AV is an old Paris visitor , having begunn with Constellation (ORY) ,then 707 (ORY , CDG) , then 747 (CDG), then 767 (CDG).
Wonder if this new service will be by MAD ?

Hope after AV , Paris will see the come back of GA , PR , AR , LA and one Afghan airline.

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User currently offlineSAAB900 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8028 times:



Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Wonder if this new service will be by MAD ?

I would imagine that the MAD flights would be busy enough without extending it to CDG!
But if it is going to be via MAD the important question is are you going to be able to book MAD-CDG or vice versa?  Wink It would be a much cheaper way of sampling AV!

Dave(SAAB900).


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

I am puzzled about this news.
AV has not even applied to the colombian authority for rights to Paris. Not yet, anyway


User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7881 times:

Very interestng news. I have a long standing invitation to visit a friend in Bogota and AF is usually quite expensive. Now with AV offereing a bit of competition maybe AF's fares will come down a bit. However, I've heard AV offers a decent econ experience and I think I can earn Skymiles with them as well so maybe I'll consider them now too.


A330 man.
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7714 times:



Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Paris will see the come back of GA , PR , AR , LA and one Afghan airline

Oh wow, I missed the announcements of AR and LA launching CDG flights. That is great!

Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 3):
I think I can earn Skymiles with them as well so maybe I'll consider them now too.

Yes you will be able to. AV is a DL SkyMiles partner. Sadly, you cannot accrue Medallion Qualifying Miles on AV flights.  Sad That is possible only on DL flights, flights with other SkyTeam carriers, and AS.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7674 times:
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Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):



Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
AV is an old Paris visitor , having begunn with Constellation (ORY) ,then 707 (ORY , CDG) , then 747 (CDG), then 767 (CDG).
Wonder if this new service will be by MAD ?

Last time AV saw CDG it was nonstop by 767, stopping in MAD would be a mistake, its should be nonstop. Last time AV flew to CDG around 2000-01, they also flew nonstop from BOG to LHR & FRA. WHY did they ever leave having four Euro destinations.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7659 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Paris will see the come back of GA , PR , AR , LA and one Afghan airline

Oh wow, I missed the announcements of AR and LA launching CDG flights. That is great!

No, you didn't miss anything because there have been no such announcements.



a.
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7537 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
No, you didn't miss anything because there have been no such announcements.

LA already declared interest in starting CDG via GIG with 763 for this year, no idea if it's official yer (I think not, at least not with flight number or schedules already done). The idea is to change it to non stop after the arrival of 787s

Great for AV!



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

It's not going to happen. Avianca doesn't have route authority, and the A330s can't make it non-stop form BOG without payload restrictions, and routing it via MAD would be a mistake since a) Both daily flights have loads exceeding 85% b) It would simply be a low-yield route, twice-weekly via MAD and c) They already codeshare with IB on MAD-ORY.

Now, launching it with the 762s could be an option, but i don't think we will be seeing any new european destinations until the arrival of the 787s, as management has repatedly stated. They are happy with their dominant position on the Spain-Colombia market right now, with 18 weekly rotations between the two countries.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5681 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7402 times:

This is great news, I can't wait!


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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7206 times:



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 8):
It's not going to happen. Avianca doesn't have route authority, and the A330s can't make it non-stop form BOG without payload restrictions,

Agree. Also, isn't 2 months a bit too short of a notice to launch a new route??

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 8):
as management has repatedly stated

Several times, despite how much we wanted them to give us a surprise.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 9):
I can't wait!

Is not going to happen until the 787s get here. I wouldn't hold my breath....

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 8):
launching it with the 762s could be an option

Wouldn't make much sense to have such a sub-par product compared to their 330s. Just keep flying a nice product to MAD and codeshare to ORY with IB, and transiting through T4 is not much of a hassle. Honestly, J product on AV 762 is not even close to what you can get in AF, so premium pax would stick to AF, and AV would get the low-yielding Y market to really fight for. I'm with you, don't see it happening in the close future.

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
2 weekly A330 flights.

Just 2x?? uhmmm, not very attractive for premium pax i'd guess....and I have a question. Where should those 330s would be coming from?? I know they're been deployed to EZE, MAD, GRU and once in a while to MIA (Missing anyother one??), and they seem to be flying pretty much all the time, and a BOG-CDG-BOG rotation, is not quite a short flight you can squeeze in a schedule just like that, compare to a BOG-CCS-BOG rotation.....unless AV will receive at least a new 330 before may.


I don't know, just doesn't make sense to me, but hope I'm wrong.

777jaah



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7192 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 10):
Just 2x?? uhmmm, not very attractive for premium pax i'd guess....and I have a question. Where should those 330s would be coming from?? I know they're been deployed to EZE, MAD, GRU and once in a while to MIA (Missing anyother one??), and they seem to be flying pretty much all the time, and a BOG-CDG-BOG rotation, is not quite a short flight you can squeeze in a schedule just like that, compare to a BOG-CCS-BOG rotation.....unless AV will receive at least a new 330 before may.

BOG / JFK /BOG daily A330 on AV020

TBYO787


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7122 times:



Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 11):
BOG / JFK /BOG daily A330 on AV020

Thanks, I missed a really important one....



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineDanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7001 times:

talking about the Av's 767-200 , I haven't seen then in a while , are they still flying ? what is the status of retirement ? . the only one that u can see is the one with the tail " Colombia es pasion " at the AV hangar that's all ... it seems like they use the 767-300 more now .

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6932 times:

As many people here think 2 months is a too short period to launch a new route , so how Aviation Letter got this info ?
Being an A-L reader for more than 30 years , i can confirm all the credibility of this magazine.

When AV was a regular visitor at Paris , that was not more than 3 weekly flights.
With 747 , they flew CDG-MAD-SJU-BOG.
Can be BOG-SJU-CDG with A330 ? Do they still fly to SJU ?


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6915 times:
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In the years Avianca flew to Paris, Air France did also and still does fly to BOG. IF AV went back 3 times a week to Paris what is the big deal ? They could feed it from Ecuador and Peru which AF doesn't fly to.

User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

I am surprised AV chose to resume flights to CDG before returning to FRA or LON. AV will face stiff competition from AF, which has flown BOG-ORY/CDG for some 60 years without interruption. AV would have faced no competition if had chosen to resume flights to FRA or LHR/LGW.

User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6837 times:



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 8):
It's not going to happen. Avianca doesn't have route authority, and the A330s can't make it non-stop form BOG without payload restrictions

Indeed, there would no capability of taking cargo if full pax. However, that is the same situation as BCN (only 70 miles or so further, according to GCM), and they have just switched all 4 weekly frequencies to A330 there. I remain sceptical about AV serving Paris this year, but I am ready to be surprised.

Quoting Danimarroquin (Reply 13):
talking about the Av's 767-200 , I haven't seen then in a while , are they still flying ?

2 of them remain: N421AV and N728CG. They have been busy with BCN , SCL and LAX mostly until this week, when BCN switched to all A330 service. They will continue to serve LAX and SCL, but they should make more frequent appearences in LIM, MIA, CCS and maybe MEX.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 10):
Where should those 330s would be coming from??

Good question.. I guess they could pull them from GRU, especially if AV manage to get some frequencies (they do not have any allocated till 2011, but could get Aires's if they don't start the ones thay have for immediate ue, or if the brasilian authority agrees to move forward the dates, as the colombian authority has requested).

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 16):
I am surprised AV chose to resume flights to CDG before returning to FRA or LON

FRA is tricky, as the payload restrictions to FRA vs LON or even PAR are significant, given the additional distance.
LON would be a winner in my opinion.
Unless AV mean to start developing Paris as its European distribution point -in agreement with AF-. In MAD it only has forward codeshares with IB to cities in Spain, and only Paris Orly outside it.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6781 times:
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Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
According to Aviation Letter , Avianca will start serving CDG on May17th with 2 weekly A330 flights.
Wonderful news as AV missed Paris !

That's very good news and thanks for sharing. Good to see AV increasing their network in Europe.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 7):
LA already declared interest in starting CDG via GIG with 763 for this year, no idea if it's official yer (I think not, at least not with flight number or schedules already done). The idea is to change it to non stop after the arrival of 787s

I'm waiting for this announcement, but still believe FRA would make more sense.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5681 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6557 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 10):
Is not going to happen until the 787s get here. I wouldn't hold my breath....

In that case never mind. If it was on the A330 I'd be fine with it, but the 787? No thanks...



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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6554 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
I'm waiting for this announcement, but still believe FRA would make more sense

LA already has daily SCL-MAD-FRA flights. I don't know if its 340s have the capacity to fly SCL-FRA nonstop. If LA decides to change the routing of this flight, it may prefer to eliminate the stop, rather than substitute GIG for MAD although no airline currently flies GIG-FRA nonstop.

Has LA ever considered LHR as its next European destination? It is in One World with IB and BA, and no airline offers direct flights between SCL and LHR. Although it could continue to funnel LHR passengers through MAD, isn't there enough demand to operate between SCL and LHR (with or without an intermediate stop) at least 3 times a week? Is there really too little capacity between SCL and CDG that two carriers are necessary to meet demand, while there too little demand for only one airline to fly between SCL and LHR?


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6440 times:



Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Wonder if this new service will be by MAD ?



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 10):
Just 2x?? uhmmm, not very attractive for premium pax i'd guess

I totally agreed with.
The possible AV BOG-CDG 2x weekly does not look quite attractive for these kind of passengers having on the other side AF BOG-CDG 7x weekly.
If the eventual segment might be routed as AV BOG-MAD-CDG 2x weekly, the appealing is decreasing even more.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6412 times:
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Quoting IAD380 (Reply 20):
LA already has daily SCL-MAD-FRA flights. I don't know if its 340s have the capacity to fly SCL-FRA nonstop. If LA decides to change the routing of this flight, it may prefer to eliminate the stop, rather than substitute GIG for MAD although no airline currently flies GIG-FRA nonstop.

Your point is valid, but that's why i always said that a potential SCL-GIG-FRA is better than SCL-GIG-CDG. Plus, in my view, FRA is consolidated and can become a non-stop while they can "develop" CDG the same way as they did with FRA before the non-stop.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 21):
I totally agreed with.
The possible AV BOG-CDG 2x weekly does not look quite attractive for these kind of passengers having on the other side AF BOG-CDG 7x weekly

I also agree but see potential considering AV can manage the connections in Colombia. And if works, for sure will be further increased in the future.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8817 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6401 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 22):
Your point is valid, but that's why i always said that a potential SCL-GIG-FRA is better than SCL-GIG-CDG. Plus, in my view, FRA is consolidated and can become a non-stop while they can "develop" CDG the same way as they did with FRA before the non-stop.

A potential SCL-GIG-CDG service will generate generous cargo yields for LAN, IMO. AF recently upgraded a/c on the CDG-SCL-CDG route (B77W).


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6380 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 23):
A potential SCL-GIG-CDG service will generate generous cargo yields for LAN, IMO. AF recently upgraded a/c on the CDG-SCL-CDG route (B77W).

I'm sure also passenger yields and will provide effective GIG-SCL year-round non-stop service.



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25 AirGabon : Don't forget that there is a huge VFR traffic between Paris and South America, more than between Germany and UK to South America. Except markets like
26 LACA773 : [ How much longer will we see the 762s flying for? I'd hate to see LAX go back to the 757s like they used to fly regularly when they had the flight vi
27 SurfandSnow : As for the LAX-BOG flight, who typically takes it? I imagine it must mainly consist of folks connecting to other parts of Latin America (i.e. Peru, B
28 The777Man : I also think they do very well with freight to/from LAX. The777Man
29 Summa767 : The 757s will go quicker than the 767s. These should stay in AV's fleet until 2012, when the 787s can fully replace them, whereas the 757s will be go
30 IAD380 : Perhaps, but I think that Germany trades and invests more in South American countries than France. This could mean more premium passengers on flights
31 777jaah : Hi J, I've heard J class in the GRU is always 100% full, and yields in Y are good, so I guess the capacity is really needed in this route. If you ask
32 Zvenk : California has the third largest Colombian community in the United States, after Florida and New York. According to the 2000 census there are about 3
33 Danimarroquin : does any body know if AV would maybe get some interest in YYZ this year ? sadly I will miss the 757s , since they are my favorite plane .... hopefully
34 Summa767 : Hey! Good point on the business capacity of the A330s. As it is, the A330s have only just started flying to GRU 5 x weekly (763s other days). A330s w
35 Summa767 : No interest on AV's part. However, AIRES appears to be interested, they have applied for 7 weekly frequencies to the Colombian authorities to serve T
36 RCS763AV : Actually, that is not the case with Colombia. The UK has a much larger community than France, and Germany has much larger trade. As posted above, the
37 LipeGIG : 3x JJ , 4x AF including 1 B744 to GIG with 423 seats. But France have 1400 daily seats while Germany got only 850. Yes, specially in Sao Paulo and Ri
38 LACA773 : Actually more than you think. My other half is Colombian and there are many who live in San Diego County. Thanks for the information, Summa767. I apr
39 OP3000 : I would expect a codeshare with AF pretty soon, given they do not fly to BOG (or for that matter have a partner in Latin America south of Mexico), an
40 EddieDude : Are they owned or leased Juan Carlos? Are they too costly to operate (lease fees, fuel consumption, etc.)? I remember AM had a few 752s that it used
41 OP3000 : Actually same goes for TA and LH, which are now codeshare partners despite a longstanding and important partnership between TA and IB. I agree, Skyte
42 Hardiwv : While GRU gets AF B77W (with F) and KL B772/B77W (KL B77W has 425 seats). Although AF/KL offers more seats to Brazil, LH/LX still dominates yields wi
43 Standby87 : Is this just another "Internet Rumour". I can't find anything that says AV are returning to fly BOG-CDG. FCKC - do you have a link SVP? I do agree, it
44 777jaah : That could be a good solution. But then again, a mixed 330-763-319 fleet on one route, can be a bad move on terms of product consistency, even if the
45 Post contains links Danimarroquin : talking about the 767-200 , according to summa767 there is only 2 767-200 in operation N421AV and N728CG . where is the N486AN at ? Any chance to see
46 Post contains links Summa767 : N986AN? Last time I heard of it it was in Porto Alegre, Brazil. In thios photo it is seen in the background, from 7 months ago. So it is long gone fr
47 777jaah : I have a presentation done by AV qhere they state that in a same route, the 320 vs the MD83 saves around 305 of fuel. And the 330 compared to 767s in
48 Colinatl : As Danimarroquin asked above, does anyone know what the Airbus delivery schedule is for Avianca for 2010?
49 Summa767 : So I understand. We could soon see evidence in the hangers of AV in BOG or QT in MDE. Don't have exact dates, but I can tell you one A320: msn 4167 i
50 Colinatl : Summa767, thanks for the update on deliveries. Pretty aggressive schedule for the first half of 2010. Does that mean that all remaining MD83s and 757s
51 Danimarroquin : thanks for all the info . I heard also that , they would be no A330s delivered to AV in 2010 , and the last 2 remaining to be delivered would be ready
52 Summa767 : Well, there are only 3 MD83s left in service as far as I know. I expect these will be gone by the end of March at the most. Then I guess 757 N522NA w
53 LACA773 : Thanks for the information, 777jaah. I apreciate it. I can't find a lot of information about them.
54 EddieDude : Wonder if AR's sister airline Austral will take them.
55 Summa767 : I think 10 is still the number of total A330s. So there are 3 "mystery" A330s that the last I heard would be delivered this year. I have not heard an
56 777jaah : I think those 3 were initially planned to got for Oceanair, but since their intl plans basically went belly-up (so far, tomorrow who knows....) they
57 OP3000 : I could see that happening too, if for no other reason than because they have more A330s scheduled to be delivered than routes on AV where it would b
58 757MDE : Ever heard of AirAsiaX? Besides, Aires is not necesarily a fully fledged LCC. Including me, I've gone to the US some times and never via AV, it's alw
59 LACA773 : Thanks for the information, 757MDE. I apreciate it. I was thinking the same thing about, 757MDE regarding the 319 flying BOG-LAX-BOG, though, cargo w
60 757MDE : My pleasure. Another thing is that in the near future (February if I am not mistaken) they will begin charging for the second checked bag in all sect
61 LAXintl : AV is not doing as hot in LAX as some might think For Jan-Nov2009 period BOG-LAX load factor was 69.1% ,while LAX-BOG was 66.7%. For cargo, they carri
62 OP3000 : BOG-LAX would also be one of those routes that could eventually see a cutback as a result of the merger with TA, routing passengers through SJO/SAL i
63 LACA773 : Actually, the legacy airlines here in the US are big on bag charges for the first and so on. It's now up too, or will be $25 for the first bag and $3
64 757MDE : Oh sure, I was talking in the sense of traditional Colombian airlines. Here charging for normal checked bags is still an alien concept which I hope r
65 OP3000 : Of course we're just speculating here, but I'd fully expect to see a BOG-SAL nonstop once they start to "synergize" the merger, which would make BOG-
66 LAXintl : They have been in the market now for what 3 years? I would think they need 75-80% for a profit. With a mid-high 60% LF average that means while holid
67 EddieDude : Is there any DL feed at LAX for AV? Or connecting opportunities for BOG-originating passengers with DL at LAX? That sounds quite reasonable.
68 Viscount724 : If memory correct, AV has been serving LAX since at least the early 1970s, except for a few years (5 or so) in the early 2000s when they dropped the
69 LAXintl : Not really, and its not like AV-DL are really working hand in hand anyhow. Only market today with long'ish connecting time you can catch DL flights to
70 RCS763AV : No. They are not full-service. AirAsia X use widebody aircraft with much more seats than a 737 for the long rotations, which gives much lower CASM. I
71 LAXintl : Look at my statistics in reply 61. The flights carried an average of 4,900Lbs / 2,223Kgs of cargo for the first 11months in 2009. That is hardly a bi
72 RCS763AV : I'm just saying what AV management has stated a lot of times. Maybe it's some kind of high-yield special treatment cargo (which is the case of flower
73 757MDE : But they're still a LCC and they fly long haul, you said you didn't see where such flights "fit the LCC model". If you want a similar aircraft then t
74 Danimarroquin : you know always get me to think of , would the A318 would be a good replacement of the F100 ? since is a 100 passengers ,and a airbus A320 flight deck
75 777jaah : I've read several times in this forum that the 318 might be a little heavy for the short runs that the F100 does for AV. I think a good replacement w
76 OP3000 : Yes. Frequency and schedule are why the AV BOG-MIA-BOG fares are still relatively high, despite the competition.
77 Tavong : The A318 would be very heavy comparing with the F-100, also, AV has already ditched the E190 and said that they will replace the Fokker-100 with next
78 OP3000 : Yes, for that same reason (weight = cost) you can count with one hand the airlines that operate the A318 (AF, BA, LA, MX, RO).
79 SJOtoLIR : The possible AV BOG-SAL has to be 7x weekly in order to combine it with TA SAL-LAX. However, I have my doubts about a profitable venture into [BOG-SA
80 OP3000 : Good point, for some reason last time I checked SJO-LAX was not showing up.
81 Tavong : Not necesarily, the A318 has more or less the same operating cost than a A319, the F-100s operates at much lower costs, AFAIK the F-100s are owned. T
82 777jaah : And basically, that offsets any aditional costs of fuel consumption. A new 318 would cost more than the difference in any savings by gas and crew tra
83 Post contains links Summa767 : Are you sure about these are the figures? I just looked at the figures for the full year 2009. AV transported 2151 tonnes in 428 flights, so that is
84 OP3000 : That's a good point. More frequencies help, particularly for business traffic. If and when AV gets more and better timed connections to Brazil this f
85 777jaah : With today's schedules, if you're travelling GRU-LAX, you have 13hrs to spend in BOG....not so good for business traffic. On the way back, I haven't
86 OP3000 : On the way back the connection would actually be short IIRC. But you're right GRU-BOG-LAX would be like a 12-hour connection. I'd think this could an
87 LACA773 : During the slower times of the year, this flight does not operate daily anymore. I wish they would lower their fares on the LAX-BOG trips. I for one,
88 777jaah : I tried to do a bogus reservation yesterday, GIG-GRU-BOG-LAX-BOG-GRU-GIG, and it never went through. An error message keot showing and said to call A
89 Summa767 : As far as I can see there are no onward brazilian destinations, other than GIG, which does have an AV code connecting flight. BTW, the return from GR
90 RCS763AV : Of those examples, I would only think US transcons are somehow profitable. FLL-LIM has been a disaster for Spirit (it went well, even got to two time
91 SJOtoLIR : NK FLL-LIM-LIM operated as 2x daily during the US summer break of 2008. Regards.
92 OP3000 : I agree that its tougher for LCCs to compete on longer flights. The first reason is that at a lot of passengers (particularly the higher yield) will
93 757MDE : You may be right or not on that, my point is that I don't see what's the problem with a LCC or a hybrid trying such routes if they think they can pul
94 LipeGIG : That's because AV now got Ocean Air connecting service SDU-GRU-BOG. Try to book with SDU.
95 Hardiwv : Correct, AV offer convenient connections from GRU to Rio's central airport SDU. OceanAir operates GRU-SDU (instesad of GRU-GIG. This means you could
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