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New Zealand Aviation Thread #71  
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17782 times:

Hi everyone,

Welcome to the 71st Edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread.

Carrying on from the previous thread (#70): New Zealand Aviation Thread #70 (by 777ER Jan 11 2010 in Civil Aviation)

A brief summary:

- Star Alliance
- NZ's booking system
- NZ being voted the World's best airline
- NZ's new uniform
- AKL runway change
- JAL's troubles
- NZ-India

Hopefully we can keep a bit more on topic this time..

[Edited 2010-01-19 18:16:53]


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17762 times:

I guess this is the proper place for this as it connects to NZ.
The media in the USA has brought to the attention of our market of a mini-mock documentary 'Cougar' (the 2-legged older female kind not the four legged or 4 wheeled kind) themed ad for NZ Air, promoting a contest and a sports event. Apparently the ad has been criticized by woman's and organizations that help rape victims. Many of us recall the 'body paint' ad of last year. Why does NZ do such ads? Do they figure the conterversy gets them more attention ? Does it really work?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25426 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17674 times:
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Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 1):
Apparently the ad has been criticized by woman's and organizations that help rape victims. Many of us recall the 'body paint' ad of last year.

I'm a bit puzzled about the controversy. I think the first half of the promo is quite funny, but, for me, it simply goes on too long.

I've read what the groups have said, and I guess I understand what they are saying. It seems a bit arcane, but I've never been in that position so I can't know.

I don't know about its effectiveness. I wouldn't be surprised if it did what they intended, commercially.

mariner

[Edited 2010-01-19 20:34:24 by mariner]


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17668 times:

In some cases it can be noted that any publicity is good publicity. But the "nothing to hide" campaign seems to have been successful. It's an attempt to make them different to other airlines.

Remember that a lot of those groups are against a lot of things. I also think it's quite funny but it's quite the attitude which matches what the atmosphere at the Wellington Rugby Sevens is like.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12218 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17535 times:
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Hers an interesting article from todays paper

Air NZ to discuss airport security with US - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...o-discuss-airport-security-with-US

Hopefully these talks will enable Australian and New Zealand passengers to have less secuirty due to our visa free status with the USA.


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7264 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 17283 times:

an update on the uniform.
I sighted the uniform on several people last night and viewed the rest on the clothes hanger.
Several observations.

1) The pink is not anything like as harsh as in the pics - it's very much a more restful lilac, and it is not black but lavender. The blue is a stronger shade of blue (more 'eye-knocking' than the pink in fact) and more reminiscent of the old KLM plane livery kinds of blue. I still don't see the relevance of pink to New Zealand but it is fair to say that even so, it is far nicer to look at and not tranny.

2) The koru emblems are more distinct in the pattern, so more identifiable as Air New Zealand than first thought.

3) The waist coat is more dull green, and less obviously colourful than in the photos, and it will very definitely be only an optional item. I won't be wearing it either way because of my particular job description, although it will be an option for all.The Men's option is going to look formal, but livable.

4) Overall it is more successful in person for sure. I'm not entirely convinced - there are things I'd like to see added/changed, but that's why I have my feedback form. nothing is signed off, and it was leaked to the media long before it should have been, so not all the detailing has been completed by the tailors producing the demonstrators. It will look better than expected on fuller frames too I think - more so than zambezi was initially.


User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17209 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Thread starter):
Hopefully we can keep a bit more on topic this time

Well, thread 70 was quite short-lived.

Quoting NZ107 (Thread starter):
JAL's troubles

If I remember correctly, not too long ago NZ sent a team to discuss the renewal of the agreements with JL. Is JL going to continue to buy blocks of seats on NZ flights, and if they are, how long does the contract runs for? My guess is that JL won't be able to terminate the arrangements before the end of the contract, or else they need to pay some form of compensation?


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 17192 times:



Quoting Cchan (Reply 6):
My guess is that JL won't be able to terminate the arrangements before the end of the contract, or else they need to pay some form of compensation?

It would seem to me that NZ is probably unsecured. So why keep boarding JL ticketed passengers if you are not going to be paid. The arrangement is probably not worth the paper it is written on.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17157 times:



Quoting Cchan (Reply 6):
If I remember correctly, not too long ago NZ sent a team to discuss the renewal of the agreements with JL. Is JL going to continue to buy blocks of seats on NZ flights, and if they are, how long does the contract runs for? My guess is that JL won't be able to terminate the arrangements before the end of the contract, or else they need to pay some form of compensation?

Depends how Japanese bankruptcy protection law works.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5264 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17153 times:



Quoting Cchan (Reply 6):
If I remember correctly, not too long ago NZ sent a team to discuss the renewal of the agreements with JL. Is JL going to continue to buy blocks of seats on NZ flights, and if they are, how long does the contract runs for? My guess is that JL won't be able to terminate the arrangements before the end of the contract, or else they need to pay some form of compensation?

I'd presume they would be able to terminate any agreement once in bankruptcy. I guess that will put the axe on KIX flights as I can;t see them being viable without the JL block purchase.


User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 17007 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 9):
I'd presume they would be able to terminate any agreement once in bankruptcy. I guess that will put the axe on KIX flights as I can;t see them being viable without the JL block purchase.

Maybe NZ's *alliance partner NH will take up this opportunity?!

Regards
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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 17002 times:



Quoting Motorhussy (Reply 10):
Maybe NZ's *alliance partner NH will take up this opportunity?!

I'm not sure if it could be called an opportunity right now.. But surely a change of terminals to align their services with NH instead seems like it'd be on the cards.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5264 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 16995 times:



Quoting Motorhussy (Reply 10):
Maybe NZ's *alliance partner NH will take up this opportunity?!

Doubt it - If they did strike a partnership I presume it would be a free sale codeshare agreement, rather than a block sale codeshare agreement such as the one JAL has with NZ currently. If ti was a free sale codeshare then I dont think KIX will last as it doesnt seem to generate the traffice currently.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25426 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 16992 times:
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Quoting Motorhussy (Reply 10):
Maybe NZ's *alliance partner NH will take up this opportunity?!

That's quite confusing to me. I think it is great if they can do business with both, but I'm understanding Star Alliance less and less.

mariner



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 16944 times:

I did hear in a news bulletin about JAL and it mentioned that it was quite likely that the NZ codeshare to AKL/CHC would be dropped, CHC will be totally gone from late March anyway when NRT flights no longer go there, KIX ended in October 2009 to CHC.

I'm pretty sure i've heard that the only reason NZ keep KIX is because of the JAL deal, I'd say if the JAL deal does end, then NZ will cut AKL-KIX services which recently changed to an overnight AKL-KIX flight. NZ 763s are pretty busy and I often feel that they could do with another 1-2 aircraft, though the current KIX schedule does allow a Tasman or Pacific flight during the day.

I'm thinking that with more slots opening up at NRT from March that NZ would be looking to move to an overnight AKL-NRT service meaning all long hauls would leave AKL in the evening. Or is it better to use 1 of the long haul aircraft that would otherwise sit on the AKL tarmac for the day to do AKL-NRT as a daylight flight.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 16909 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 14):
I'm thinking that with more slots opening up at NRT from March that NZ would be looking to move to an overnight AKL-NRT service meaning all long hauls would leave AKL in the evening. Or is it better to use 1 of the long haul aircraft that would otherwise sit on the AKL tarmac for the day to do AKL-NRT as a daylight flight.

The daylight NRT flight is quite an efficient use of aircraft resources. The flight is too long to be able to dedicate a single aircraft and do a 24-hour rotation (especially on the days that CHC is served, though that will not be an issue much longer). So it makes sense to use an aircraft that would otherwise be on the ground in AKL during the day, get some flight hours out of it, and have the aircraft available to fly out again from AKL to the USA, China, wherever the next evening.

[Edited 2010-01-20 23:52:56]


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 16888 times:



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 15):
. The flight is too long to be able to dedicate a single aircraft and do a 24-hour rotation (especially on the days that CHC is served, though that will not be an issue much longer). So it makes sense to use an aircraft that would otherwise be on the ground in AKL during the day

Hmm, though I said that, the NRT-AKL flight gets into AKL around 0900 anyway and often sits all day, some days it may go to RAR or NAN before an evening return and off to whereever that evening.

I do think it would be odd on the other hand though if they could get slots at NRT for an overnight flight that they would leave this 1 long haul as a daylight when all the rest are evening departures ex AKL.


User currently offlinePewpew320 From New Zealand, joined Mar 2009, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 16793 times:

"A jumbo jet carrying 229 people flying into Auckland International Airport landed safely tonight after one of it's engines failed.

Emergency Services at the airport were on standby after the four-engine Airbus A340-200, operated by Aerolineas Argentinas, reported the shutdown of its number one engine.

The flight, due to arrive at 10.15pm, landed without incident at 10.24pm"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3252...-lands-safely-after-engine-failure

AR? why does that not surprise me :P


User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 16782 times:

Great journalism.
Jumbo Jet. A340 ??? wtf!!

I dare ask what they refer to the A380 as.


User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 16662 times:



Quoting Motorhussy (Reply 10):
Maybe NZ's *alliance partner NH will take up this opportunity?!

If I remember correctly, it was discussed here before that JL is the carrier with the right to operate this route granted by the Japanese government in the bilateral agreement or something like that. My guess is that NH doesn't have the rights to code share with NZ on the Japan-NZL routes.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 14):
NZ 763s are pretty busy and I often feel that they could do with another 1-2 aircraft

I have always wondered why they got rid of the leased ones. The 763 has been such a great workhorse for NZ over many years.

Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 18):
Great journalism.
Jumbo Jet. A340 ??? wtf!!

Some journalists seem to have decided that a jumbo is anything larger than a 737.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 890 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 16570 times:



Quoting Cchan (Reply 19):
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 14):
NZ 763s are pretty busy and I often feel that they could do with another 1-2 aircraft

I have always wondered why they got rid of the leased ones. The 763 has been such a great workhorse for NZ over many years.

They were expecting their first 787 later this year.

With the last month's demise of FlyGlobespan NZ had the opportunity to buy or lease these.
G-CEFG (ex ZK-NCH) ferried from Brize Norton to Miami on 17th Jan 2010.
G-CDPT (ex ZK-NCN) ferried from Madinah to Shannon on 18th Jan 2010.
G-CEOD (ex ZK-NCO) ferried from Delhi to Shannon on 25th Dec 2009.

PA515


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12218 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16467 times:
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Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 18):

I really don't understand why people get so worked up about when the media make simple mistakes just like any other non aviation fan in regards to planes being called jumbo's!

Quoting Cchan (Reply 19):
Some journalists seem to have decided that a jumbo is anything larger than a 737.

Just like any other member of the public!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12218 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16458 times:
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WLG was closed for a brief time this afternoon causing delays/cancellations for 21 flights.

User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16418 times:
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Hi All,

NZ's new interior for the 773 and 789 is to be unveiled next Tuesday at 11am. Keep an eye on your favourite media outlet for more.

NZ1


User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16396 times:

Will the new livery be launced at the same time?


What?
25 NZ1 : The new livery has been officially put on hold as far as I am aware. The only livery change for the time being is the removal of the Pacific Wave, wh
26 Pilotdude09 : Should be interesting to see what NZ comes up with......if it's as radical and different as the uniforms they could have an excellent product. Let's
27 777ER : I was looking at PacBlues web-site about their new AKL-CNS service and was wondering where the B738 is coming from to operate the service. Is the B738
28 UncleKoru : Maybe dj738 can confirm, but I think it may utilise the 738 that is no longer needed on the SYD-NAN-SYD flight. There looks like there have been a fe
29 SunriseValley : Should I be able to see this in real time on a TV station (s) web site ? Can someone give me a suggested link?
30 ANstar : DJ54 which was the evening SYD-AKL service moves to DJ52 8.30am mornng departure ex SYD (this is the old NAN slot). So it means SYD will now only see
31 DJ738 : Indeed, PacificBlue's tenth aircraft (ZK-PBL, which is with VirginBlue as VH-VUQ) returns to PacificBlue in March to facilitate the launch of AKL-CNS
32 NZ107 : I doubt it, considering the lack of coverage of a lot of other events with probably more priority than this one. But who knows, something could pop u
33 AerorobNZ : I'll be watching the live feed at work...
34 Post contains links 777ER : An NZ B733 and a Glenorchy Air aircraft had a 'close call' yesterday while the B733 was landing at ZQN http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3256...anes-in-
35 Post contains links 777ER : MH plans to announce an extra New Zealand destination soon MH Plans 2nd New Zealand Dest; Also Y+ On A380-Rpt (by Airpearl Jan 22 2010 in Civil Aviati
36 Mariner : They're all assuming it is CHC, but someone suggested WLG-BNE-KUL - which would surely shake things up a bit. Is it possible? Do you know what sort o
37 Post contains links SunriseValley : [quote=Mariner,reply=36]Is it possible? Do you know what sort of payload restriction would there be for a widebody to fly, say, WLG-BNE? mariner see p
38 Mariner : Thanks, yes. I saw those replies. Good stuff. mariner
39 Post contains links NZdsgnr : now I can't wait! Lie back for the longhaul Air New Zealand passengers will be laid low by new seats that allow them to lie back, stretch out and slee
40 Mariner : The discussion about Malaysian raises another question for me. I'm quite proud of the fact that NZ has such liberal traffic rights. It seems to me to
41 ANstar : from the mini leak on google videos/youtube "skycouch" looks like a more roomier Y seat- doesnt look like it does anything like turn into a bed etc J
42 AerorobNZ : If Jetstar can start up on the VH register, then there is no reason why Lan couldn't start up with CC- registered aircraft. Though their business mod
43 NZdsgnr : am i missing something? couldn't find anything
44 777ER : Same, just looked on youtube but couldn't find anything
45 Gemuser : Don't think so! JQ could do so because of the CER group of treaties between NZ & OZ, there is one which specifically allows this. AFAIK NZ does not h
46 ANstar : Try googling "Air New Zealand New longahul experience" Quite a bit of chatter over on flyertalk AND some pics Perhaps the Y seat is more like CX's se
47 Zkpilot : FJ could probably do it provided the aircraft did fly on to NAN and wasn't just flying domestic pax CHC-AKL only. The reason for the restriction is t
48 Gasman : Hey all you ANZ cabin crew out there - In the name of all that is pure and holy, pleeeease....... just SHUT THE F**K UP!! Just got off NZ116 from Sydn
49 NZ107 : Still can't find anything.. Maybe you should go fly Jetstar next time or something. At least that way there won't be any announcement for the fine wi
50 ANstar : I'm not going to hold your hand - but if you got to the Air NZ forum on the site I posted above (which I thought might be obvious) you will be able t
51 Gasman : Can't. Gold memebr on ANZ. Overall I love ANZ, and I'm genuinely thrilled about the ATW acolades.... but that doesn't mean aspects of the product and
52 Axio : Sounds like someone needs that moist towelette. I'll just ask the cabin crew to announce it... ax
53 Kaiarahi : Dim sum??
54 Kiwiandrew : Cant speak for F but in J Emirates stick you with the same crap ... very very annoying , as you say , it goes on more or less forever and you cannot
55 Post contains images ANstar : New Air NZ seat?
56 Post contains links 777ER : Long haul cabins ground-breaking, says Air NZ - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...cabins-ground-breaking-says-Air-NZ The Tasman routes are also i
57 777ER : Doesn't seem to work when I click on it.
58 ANstar : It wont. The videos were put on You tube by AirNZ and marked private. This is a screen shot of the cached image before Air NZ took the videos down.
59 777ER : Explains why! Certainly looks like more leg room compared to the current space! Wonder what changes NZ will make to its Y+ product to help stop pax g
60 Kaiarahi : The article you linked says that the Y+ product has also been redeveloped. I just hope they're going to 2-4-2 - the only way of getting out of the wi
61 777ER : Would a layout like what DL was going to install work for Y+?
62 Kaiarahi : Do you have a link?
63 Post contains links 777ER : http://www.thompsonaero.com/index.ph..._content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=58
64 Kaiarahi : We'll know tomorrow - and I'm looking forward to it. All we know at this point is that NZ engineered it themselves. They have a niche - small country
65 DavidByrne : A Solent, perhaps?
66 Post contains links Mariner : Brett Snyder - The Cranky Flier - is one of the journalists being flown from the US for the big seat reveal. He has published a long trip report on hi
67 Post contains links NZdsgnr : only a few hours to go! Air NZ set to unveil new cabin design New long-haul economy class seats being revealed by Air NZ; journalist Geoff Thomas says
68 Kaiarahi : Duhh - yes, obviously. I spent a lot of time growing up watching the RNZAF Sunderlands out of Hobsonville.
69 Post contains links DIRECTFLT : " target=_blank>http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/articl...p,tst Air New Zealand to "revolutionize" transpacific travel with new cabins From Gadling.com :
70 Aerohottie : Right, it's 11. Where is it!!!
71 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZs 'Skycouch' to cost $1400 - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...2044/Air-NZs-Skycouch-to-cost-1400 Air New Zealand will offer the world's fi
72 DavidByrne : On another thread, suggestions that Air Asia X is also coming to NZ, with the media reports on the Gold Coast appearing to suggest that it may be a KU
73 Post contains links Aerohottie : Here it is... http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...2044/Air-NZs-Skycouch-to-cost-1400
74 Post contains links Motorhussy : Here's the story on Stuff: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...2044/Air-NZs-Skycouch-to-cost-1400 Interesting in coach is the SkyCouch. Regards MH
75 ANstar : The 2-2-2 layout in PE is GREAT and the seats look fab. [Edited 2010-01-25 14:18:12]
76 KiwiRob : Where did you see a picture of the seat?
77 Post contains images Flyjetstar : Here's on of the Skycouch thingy. I'm a little underwhelmed.
78 Post contains links 777ER : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10622347
79 Aerohottie : Ummm is that it??? I'll hold back judgement until I see much more info... which is very slow in coming BTW
80 Post contains links and images ANstar :
81 767ER : Sounds like PE will be vastly improved.
82 Post contains images QF175 : Premium Economy
83 Aussieindc : and then the row in front of you reclines leaving you with even less room than shown above. some may call me crazy but I was expecting more..... Aussi
84 Post contains links Pheynix : Youtube video of the new long haul product is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lql77jkiztc
85 777ER : Wow, Y+ looks 100% better. Looks more like a J product on EK
86 MotorHussy : I think the new Y+ product is pretty stunning and starts to look more like traditional Business Class. Regards MH
87 Aerohottie : Well here is my preliminary verdict oh what I think of the new seats... Business B+ Premium Economy A Economy B On how the released products compare t
88 Hikarufree : The Y+ cabin is really remarkable. The 777-300ERs get it first, but what are the plans for the rest of the fleet?
89 Gasman : Agree with all of that. Overall positive, perhaps somewhat overhyped. Y+ is the real cat out of the bag.
90 777ER : I love the part about the extra sleeping space and if no one else is beside you, then you have a bed!
91 777ER : B772s get the upgrades from early next year and the B772s will be upgraded in around 4 months. The B789s will arrive already installed, B744s won't g
92 Aerohottie : Wow, thats a fast refurb... I usually fly PE long haul, so am very much looking forward to giving it a try. I'm still underwhelmed with BP though...
93 Gasman : Well, the J class product on SIAs 77Ws and A380s is something to behold.... Air NZs product is not too far behind though. There are certainly far wor
94 NZdsgnr : Just saw it on tvnz news and Y does look better than the photos
95 ZKOJH : OMG Y+ looks brill much better then what is offerd at the moment, theses the true colours - black seats in pacific? can't wait to see this give NZ the
96 Westjet!Eh! : Nice products...but the problem is that how i can get three seats if the plane is full??
97 ANstar : You make sure you buy three seats at the time of booking.
98 767ER : Thank god they have revamped PE on the 777. It ws okay on the 744 but a complete rip off on the 777, despite a few people saying on a.net that passeng
99 Gasman : I thought I was the only person who thought this! Yes, always found it galling that they charged the same for 744/772 Y+ on the same routes. Having e
100 AerorobNZ : First of all, praise where it's due.. U Class is brilliant, C class is more of the same, in nicer colour combinations. Finally we have more U class se
101 TravellerPlus : This is how the Buy on Board product works on Virgin America. I notice from the video that the skycouches seem to be fixed back, yet the ordinary eco
102 NZ747 : It looks to be a great product, but I guess we will know more once more details and pics are out. From the youtube video, it seems that the window pai
103 6thfreedom : There is talk in the Australian media today about Air Asia X operating Gold Coast - CHC. I would have thought over 4000 seats on the market per week i
104 Kiwiandrew : Seriously , what did people expect ? They are not going to offer economy pax J class flat beds for a y class price , personally I think it looks like
105 777ER : I'm not an airline employee, but I enjoyed the Y+ B777 product last year. I guess being short has its advantages I agree with you on this one. I trav
106 NZ107 : It looks like I'll be wanting to travel NZ to try out the new product sometime soon! Maybe their familiarisation flights across the Tasman could be a
107 Koruman : As I've posted in the new product thread, for the majority of Economy passengers (180 out of 246) this is a BIG downgrade, dressed as progress. Econom
108 Mariner : I'm more enthusiastic about that - and the premium cabin - than I am about Skycouch, largely because it isn't designed for me. It is an interesting c
109 Gasman : Hell, really?? Where's the reference?
110 Koruman : They should be delighted that for at least 180/246 passengers flying in Economy, they have just reduced seat width and added an extra seat per row, o
111 Mariner : I admire your concern for the regular economy pax, but for the things that interest me, they won me. mariner
112 Spootter10 : Just saw a video about Air NZ's new lie-flat economy seats on smh.com.au. This is a joke, isn´t it? When you travel alone you have to pay 2 additiona
113 Kiwiandrew : You expected lie-flat to come at no extra cost ? If I was travelling with a partner the idea of paying 2.5 fares ( the third seat is half price ) rat
114 NZ107 : You just buy Premium Economy and not worry about buying 3 seats.
115 Pilotdude09 : Premium Economy is certainly a step up and excited to know more about the seat and features. Just hope it has a tray table (sure it will) and you don'
116 777ER : Sounds like someone was expeccting a bed for next to nothing, or included in the original fare! I would buy the Y sleeper products for the 'bed' if I
117 Aussieindc : Don't get me wrong, sky couch is a very interesting and simple idea and kudo's to NZ for being the first in the industry to offer it. My concern was
118 Post contains links 777ER : More bad publicity for JetStar Mother told she can't fly with twins - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/326524...ther-told-she-can-t-fly-with-twins Clearl
119 Cchan : Indeed very few solo fliers in Y class are willing to pay 2.5 times the fare. It may work out cheaper just to buy a J class ticket. Now that they hav
120 Aerokiwi : Oooooo I like it... a lot! First impressions... love the colourscheme, though I wonder if the backs of the economy seats might ultimately be a darker
121 Alangirvan : Just had a week in Nelson, flying from Dunedin, which meant four flights for me. this was my first time into Nelson Airport. Dunedin to Christchurch a
122 Aerokiwi : Has anyone commented yet on Air Asia X announcing they want to fly from the Gold Coast to NZ? I was on the Gold Coast yesterday and read it in a local
123 DavidByrne : The suggestion seems to be that KUL-OOL-CHC may be most likely, but there's no confirmation that anything will happen yet, as far as I'm aware - it s
124 Post contains links 777ER : Tomorrow of Breakfast on TV1, AKLs CEO will be interviewed about the airports up-coming expansion plans Auckland Airport in $126m offer - http://www.s
125 Post contains links CHCalfonzo : AirAsia X could fly to Garden City, from the Press this morning.
126 NZ1 : For those that are interested, the next 4 A320's (for Domestic) are to be registered ZK-OJP, OJQ, OJR and OJS. They will come with the current winglet
127 Kiwiandrew : Thanks for the NZ1 , I guess these ones are coming during 2011-2012 ? On a related topic , apologies for asking you this again but I have tried to se
128 Post contains links 777ER : Jetstar spends $4.9bn on new fleet - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/worl.../Jetstar-spends-4-9bn-on-new-fleet Jetstar looks set to become a major com
129 Post contains images Aotearoa : Thanks for the rego update NZ 1. I'm not sure about boarding an OXE! I can't wait to see these A320s in the flesh. The 'sharklet' is really going to m
130 NZ1 : Nov ‘10 - ZK-OKM Jan ‘11 - ZK-OKN Mar ‘11 - ZK-OKO Nov ’11 - ZK-OKP Feb ‘12 - ZK-OKQ Note that ZK-OKI, OKJ, OKK and OKL have been skipped t
131 NZ107 : I don't think you can give an actual date - but is it likely to be early, mid or late Nov? Interesting about the 4 slots for potential 772s.
132 Kiwiandrew : 777-200LRs anyone ? If so Koruman would be happy (for once)
133 777ER : Interesting that NZ sees they may need some extra B772s and are planning for it. Wonder if NZ are planning any extra expansion that the B789s can't o
134 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZs new uniforms 'disrepect Maori' - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3272...ands-new-uniforms-disrespect-Maori IMHO I think the Maoris should be h
135 DavidByrne : I had understood from previous posts on A-net that the airline saw its wide-body fleet as being a mix of 77W and 789 only in the longer term, and tha
136 Post contains links 777ER : Embraer are planning an E195X in response to a request to AA wanting an MD80 replacement FI: Embraer Stretched E195X (by OyKIE Jan 26 2010 in Civil Av
137 GarethW : " target=_blank>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3272...Maori From the above story: "It's way too busy and inelegant," he said. Sorry, is he an academ
138 Post contains links SXI899 : Koruman mentions that Y in the B77W will be fitted at 10 abreast (3-4-3). However, in the Flightglobal article, they make the comment that "the nine-a
139 NZ107 : It is 10. I posted a link in the other NZ couchseat thread which had a picture of a seatmap from the release day. Surely they wouldn't confuse everyo
140 Mr AirNZ : No more disrespectful I guess than refering to them as "the Maoris." I'm sorry mate, but I cringed when I read that line!
141 Mariner : An academic, for sure, but it opens a can of worms. I've made it clear that I don't many aspects of the new uniforms, but this "cultural issue" never
142 Post contains links NZ107 : Here are a couple of youtube clips of the release of the new seats: Economy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHGU_c5E_Hw Premium Economy: http://www.yo
143 SunriseValley : It might have something to do with what the the 789 MZFW range will be. I would not be surprised if NZ are hoping for at least 8000nm with max passen
144 Mariner : Okay, I've seen several videos of the new seats and read quite a lot of stuff about them. I note that Air NZ frequently refers to them as "a couples
145 Gasman : Ignore it. It's either chest-beating for the sake of making some kind of political point, or an attempt to extract some sort of "royalty" payment out
146 Aerohottie : And 10 abreast with a 17" wide seat... I just cant believe it... this is not a seat upgrade of any description... NZ's seating dimensions of 17" widt
147 Gasman : I completely agree. But, the media were duped, completely sucked in by the new (somewhat ridiculous IMHO) "couch seats"..... and no one noticed or re
148 Gasman : Okay everyone - to the barricades!! Let's bombard the customer feedback section and voice our displeasure at the 777 Y class squeeze. Here's the link:
149 Aerokiwi : I think the cultural respect issue has to do with the fact NZ originally needed permission to use the koru as a corporate symbol. Extending it to a pr
150 Post contains links Mariner : That is a rule of the Maori language. The poster was writing in English. http://www.maorilanguage.info/mao_lang_faq.html "A17. Some people simply do
151 Alangirvan : AirNZ will often get into a type just as it is about to go out of production - 737-300, F27-500, 777-200ER, DHC-8-300, so AirNZ will not be intereste
152 PA515 : Thanks for the update NZ1. Presume they would be used 772's? Regarding the 6th and 7th 77W's. The 5th 77W was ordered on the 27th February 2009, the
153 GarethW : Without question the greatest contribution ever made on this website!
154 Kiwiandrew : On the other hand sometimes they are very early in line , NAC was amongst the first few airlines to take the 737-200 , NZ was one of the first airlin
155 AerorobNZ : Just looking at the timetable revisions for this year...the most interesting of which is Timings of NZ6 AKL-LAX and NZ5 LAX-AKL services have been cha
156 UncleKoru : The F27-500 was hardly near the end of it's production run when NAC first ordered it. First flight 1967, first delivered to NAC was ZK-NAN in 1973. G
157 NZ1 : Most likely early. Exact date TBA I only mentioned potential extra 772's. It wasn't a definite or given that we will be getting any, but leaves the o
158 Zkpilot : pure gold! Take a page out of QFs book it seems... although not as extreme. QF25 leaves AKL around 1500 getting into LAX at 0700, departing LAX at 00
159 777ER : About time either NZ2/1 or NZ6/5 had their timings changed to allow better connections! I'm currently in the process of booking QF26 to LAX and AA to
160 AerorobNZ : As good as it will be for connections, It will be partially do to all the additional security nonsense at AKL. It has impeded both NZ6/NZ8 to be depa
161 Mariner : You've mentioned this wait before, but I checked Travelocity for April and got a 2 hour 40 minute layover at LAX - Air NZ connecting to Midwest (oper
162 777ER : Yes I have talked about this before, but I prefer to travel on full alliance itinerarys, so in other words NZ and UA/USCO or QF/AA. You can't check i
163 Mariner : Your call, of course, but: I've never had that problem in a very long life of complex flying and I try to avoid alliances. The originating ticket pric
164 AerorobNZ : A very interesting thought - One would certainly hope so. Flying to the states though, there are bound to be passengers that will complain that it is
165 Alangirvan : I was thinking of the F 27s taken towards the 1981 period. I know airlines like East West did a complete roll over of their F 27 fleet in 1983/84, bu
166 UncleKoru : Air Nelson will overnight a Q300 in GIS over the next few months to help free up a B1900 for engineering. the schedule will operate AKL-GIS 1805/1900
167 AerorobNZ : I have a feeling that they will only operate one or the other in NZ domestically, not both types. I don't entirely discount DJ operating them here, b
168 UncleKoru : I agree with you on that. DUD-WLG is too long for the AT7 in particular. Most uncomfortable. The Q is somewhat better, but still... I travelled to DU
169 777ER : Alliances provide a more stress free travel for connecting flights. I would happily fly Frontier, but not as a conecting flight I was looking at grab
170 Post contains links 777ER : Following on from a news article earlier this week about Maori complaining about the 'disrespect' towards their culture about NZ new uniforms design.
171 Mariner : I know they work for many. They don't work so well for me. But you have, on more than one occasion posted your dislike of the long layover at LAX. I
172 Alangirvan : Well,as I found when I changed between the Q300 and the ATR when I flew NSN-CHC-DUD on Monday, the Q300 gave me a bit less foot room because of the c
173 777ER : Thanks for the alternative ideas, but I'm sure you understand the reasoning of prefering to travel with alliance members on connecting flights. I'm r
174 UncleKoru : Sounds unpleasant.
175 Post contains links 777ER : BI sending B77Ws to AKL in March. BIs new B77Ws are ex Jet Airways Royal Brunei Getting Jet's 777W Part 2 (by Fauzi Jan 29 2010 in Civil Aviation)
176 AerorobNZ : I announced that previously on one of these nz forums...
177 Alangirvan : Isn't this more about getting the itinerary all onto one booking? If you booked separate tickets on AirNZ, because a domestic fare is cheaper than an
178 AerorobNZ : As i said. a good travel insurance policy will cover a missed connection outside your home city through no fault of your own (ie: late aircraft/break
179 777ER : 100% correct. I've come across and witnessed ground members who don't seem to care that you've missed your connection/wouldn't care less if you did w
180 Alangirvan : A case in point - A Dunedin person misread his itinerary and got to LHR, the day AFTER his flight on EK was due to depart. His fault entirely, but not
181 QFFlyer : Why should he not purchase a new fare? If you pay more for a flexible ticket and someone without one gets the same advantage but pays less, what is t
182 Alangirvan : If you had made a mistake, and turned up at LHR and got more assistance than you expected (EK could have made him buy a whole new ticket) you might fe
183 QFFlyer : I thought Air New Zealand was a business not a charity. Of course circumstances are always different but I am not sure why being the national carrier
184 777ER : IIRC the connecting domestic fare is $100 oneway
185 Post contains links NZ107 : NZ 772 RTO in NRT: http://avherald.com/h?article=42699293 Which bird was this? Apparenty it was something to do with the engine and they burst 12 tyre
186 SXI899 : If you got that from the comment below the article, the individual who posted that (or a number of people commenting under the same name) seems to ha
187 NZ107 : I understand but even so, I'd say there is quite a chance it is engine related. Even an incident like a bird strike usually has something to do with
188 AerorobNZ : I can't find anything to reference this 772 incident in either late NZ90 airport arrival, work email updates etc. I'll be able to confirm tomorrow, bu
189 ZKOKA : It was ZK-OKC Wont be serviceable for another 48 hrs, yes 12 main landing gear deflated
190 Kiwiandrew : I wonder if they will drag NBT back in to service for a couple of days while they juggle crews , pax and aircraft .
191 AerorobNZ : NBT has already been in service this week. It flew up to YVR about 3 days ago...
192 Post contains links 777ER : Wellington's 'The Rock' terminal is having its copper roof added this week - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ngton-Airport-gets-copper-makeover
193 Aerokiwi : Can anyone tell me whether QF25/26 runs with a PTV-equipped 738?
194 SunriseValley : Did it need an engine change ? If so does this require an engine to be ferried from AKL or would HAECO send one in from HKG?
195 AerorobNZ : No engine necessary. The damage to the undercarriage is being assessed currently by engineers.
196 NZ107 : Yes, QF specially scheduled QF25/26 to be operated by Jetconnect's 738. It's enough of a downgrade from the 744 as it is.
197 Aerokiwi : Thanks for that. Was wondering because on the website it says it is a QF-operated flight rather than JetConnect. I suppose they just use QF crew but
198 SunriseValley : Any scuttlebut on the reason for the aborted takeoff?
199 NZ107 : Maybe they kept it as red arrows so that people from the likes of USA etc think that they're flying 'QF' all the way to MEL - in fact they hide the "
200 Post contains links NZ107 : http://www.futuretakingflight.com/ Here's the website about NZ's cabin. Got plenty of information from when the first 5 77Ws will arrive, when they st
201 Kiwiandrew : Thanks for the post - it is good to get a bit more information on the rollout . Hopefully with more of NZs system and less of EK s - I travelled EK a
202 NZ107 : Especially with it playing in Arabic and English.. No, I don't think NZ would do such a thing. They strive on the gate to gate system which they set
203 Kiwiandrew : I cant really compare the systems in too much depth , I gave up on ICE in disgust when it wouldnt let me watch what I wanted rather than what EK want
204 NZ107 : I'd be doing the same if I had the money to travel J.. Looks like such a nice place. Probably better than the IFE as you have a map with the airshow
205 777ER : I'm surprised it took NZ 6 days to get the web-site up and running since the media launch on the new seats. One thing I would like to see is a pictur
206 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : I dont want to breach anyones confidentiality here so wont go into greater details , but I will say that I was pleasantly surprised to be contacted b
207 NZ1 : It didn't. It was launched at the same time as the media announcement. NZ1
208 TheCommodore : Yes I totally agree with you on that point. You never know who's watching !!
209 Zkpilot : It is what is known as an illegal connection/connecting flight (not illegal in terms of the law, but illegal in terms of airlines booking systems). W
210 777ER : When I clicked on the link on the NZ web-site the day after the media release, it had a countdown timer to the site going 'live' with what you can se
211 AerorobNZ : AR flew A340-312 LV-BMT to AKL today. (cn048 - an early bugger who previously flew for Air Mauritius/Air Jamaica & Air Canada) OKC will be back in AKL
212 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #72 (by 777ER Feb 3 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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