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JetBlue CEO Talks To Crist About Move To Orlando  
User currently offlineOceanic From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 131 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9375 times:

Looks like they're getting serious...

Quote:
TALLAHASSEE — Gov. Charlie Crist and the chief executive of JetBlue Airways had a huddle at the Governor’s Mansion Tuesday night. The topic: the company is considering moving its headquarters from New York to Orlando.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/new...e-considering-move-to-orlando.html

[Edited 2010-01-19 20:24:20]

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User currently offlineJfkgaylga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9090 times:

Whether they stay here in NYC or not, I must say that B6 is handling this situation very poorly at this point.

They have 800 people in Queens and CT on pins and needles for a year now and it is just plain ridiculous. They have stated that a decision would be announced in November of last year, than that became January, and then at the end of the first Quarter.

NYC has made and offer and so has Orlando. Make the decision already and let your people know. That is the considerate thing to do


User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8843 times:

On one hand I wouldn't be surprised if they move...NY is going down the tubes quick.

On the other hand, I think it might hurt their ops for the HQ and hub to be 1100 miles apart.


User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8769 times:

The aforementioned Bible figure is not spelled Crist it has an h in english

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5266 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8668 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 13):
So... does anyone have much to say that is actually RELEVANT to the topic?

For an airline so associated with New York, it would seem odd to move the HQ to Orlando. I'm guessing it's driven by $$, as always. I think they also have training down in Orlando as well, IINM.

Well, as one poster said, living for a year with a cloud over your head can't be fun. I hope a decision is announced soon.

-Dave



Totes my goats!
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8610 times:



Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 9):
On the other hand, I think it might hurt their ops for the HQ and hub to be 1100 miles apart.

Look at what happened to Eastern, lol HQ in MIA, and a smaller one in NYC, with a hub in Atlanta and MCI. But on the other hand, look at AirTran. HQ in MCO, hub in ATL.



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8310 times:



Quoting Cospn (Reply 3):
The aforementioned Bible figure is not spelled Crist it has an h in english



Crist as in Governor Crist of Florida, not your biblical figure.


As for the whole moving the headquarters. I just don't see it making sense unless Jetblue really wants to expand the florida operation to be a Latin American/Carribean Hub and Tourist destination. Better for the HQ to be close to the center of the majority of the action in NYC.



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User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8268 times:



Quoting Jfkgaylga (Reply 1):
They have 800 people in Queens and CT on pins and needles for a year now and it is just plain ridiculous. They have stated that a decision would be announced in November of last year, than that became January, and then at the end of the first Quarter.

Having been through this while employed at a high profile non airline company I can tell you its hell! I can also say it destroys productivity, which in the airline biz is more critical than in any other biz. Employees potentially affected don't work all day but instead have ear to wall looking and hoping for any sign of whats to come, are constantly whispering about it to others, etc. I'm ashamed B6 would be so callous to do this to their people. Either move or don't but its sad that whoever is making that decision seems to have little regard for those who its going to affect the most.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16690 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

Jetblue is done growing in New York City, with slot constraints and stiff competition for whatever slots become available the growth opportunities for B6 in New York is very low. Their next phase of growth will be to Latin America and the Caribbean from Florida.


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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2791 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8026 times:



Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 7):
I'm ashamed B6 would be so callous to do this to their people.

You are? Why? The CEO has a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders to get the best deal possible. With the current economic climate, the longer he negotiates odds are the better deal he will get. That means a healthier, more prosperous company, which means job security for his employees. You're right, what a callous jerk.

Orlando makes a lot of sense. Centralize the HQ, lower cost of living for employees, plus no income tax which, if my memory serves me right about NY tax, means a 6% raise for employees out of the chute.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16690 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8002 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 9):
Orlando makes a lot of sense. Centralize the HQ, lower cost of living for employees, plus no income tax which, if my memory serves me right about NY tax, means a 6% raise for employees out of the chute.

If salaries remained the same a move from the New York/New Jersey/Connecticut region to Central Florida would mean a nice increase in take home pay. Plus the housing market in Central would allow them to live much better for less than back in the Northeast.



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User currently offlineOceanic From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 131 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7995 times:

Look's like they've announced an updated deadline for the decision:

Quote:
Barger said JetBlue had been looking at several cities but narrowed the choice to Orlando or staying in New York. He said the company expects to make a decision by the end of March.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...jetblue-headquarters-orlando_N.htm

Also here's another interesting tidbit:

Quote:
But, even if a move to Orlando is in the cards, JetBlue officials previously have said they don't plan to move until the company's lease at its current Queens location expires in 2012.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh.../item.aspx?type=blog&ak=15803.blog

[Edited 2010-01-20 07:21:15]

User currently offlineSolarFlyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7475 times:



Quoting Jfkgaylga (Reply 1):
NYC has made and offer and so has Orlando. Make the decision already and let your people know. That is the considerate thing to do

Agreed. This is a distraction to flyers and investors to. Make up your damn mind.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7057 times:
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Its a New York airline, stay in New York.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16690 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7023 times:



Quoting SolarFlyer22 (Reply 12):
Agreed. This is a distraction to flyers and investors to. Make up your damn mind.

In what way is this a distraction to B6 flyers, do you think even 5% of B6 travelers even aware that the airline is considering moving?..



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User currently offlineMysterzip From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7000 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 9):
Orlando makes a lot of sense. Centralize the HQ, lower cost of living for employees, plus no income tax which, if my memory serves me right about NY tax, means a 6% raise for employees out of the chute.



Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
If salaries remained the same a move from the New York/New Jersey/Connecticut region to Central Florida would mean a nice increase in take home pay. Plus the housing market in Central would allow them to live much better for less than back in the Northeast.

You forget that for a lot of people in new york that work for jetblue have families and spouses and kids. They have a life. Expecting them to move is not very progressive. Furthermore, Florida doesnt offer the same quality of life that NYC and its suburbs do. It may be expensive but a lot of people find it worth it. That's why we live here and that maybe the reason why NYC's population keeps on growing as part of the urban renewal.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16690 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7000 times:



Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 15):
. Furthermore, Florida doesnt offer the same quality of life that NYC and its suburbs do.

True, Florida offers a better quality of life.



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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2791 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6976 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
In what way is this a distraction to B6 flyers, do you think even 5% of B6 travelers even aware that the airline is considering moving?..

I was just going to say the same thing. Poll any airline, on any flight, and I bet you that even less than 5% know where the airline is headquartered.

Quoting SolarFlyer22 (Reply 12):
This is a distraction to flyers and investors

No passenger cares that JetBlue is considering a move. Investors may care, but if so it is a smidge more. You are all making more of this from the consumer side then needs to be made. Passengers care about low fares, loyalty programs, schedules, and safety. They don't care if the airline is headquartered in New York, Florida, or Alaska.


User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 524 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6942 times:

Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 15):
ou forget that for a lot of people in new york that work for jetblue have families and spouses and kids. They have a life. Expecting them to move is not very progressive. Furthermore, Florida doesnt offer the same quality of life that NYC and its suburbs do. It may be expensive but a lot of people find it worth it. That's why we live here and that maybe the reason why NYC's population keeps on growing as part of the urban renewal.

Then why are half the people in Orlando originally from NY and NJ? They love it here in Flaaaarrridahhhh.

[Edited 2010-01-20 10:26:19]


In thrust we trust!
User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2791 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6941 times:



Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 15):
You forget that for a lot of people in new york that work for jetblue have families and spouses and kids. They have a life. Expecting them to move is not very progressive.

How many people work at the HQ in HQ type functions?


User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6869 times:



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 5):
Look at what happened to Eastern, lol HQ in MIA, and a smaller one in NYC, with a hub in Atlanta and MCI.

Technology innovations between the Eastern era to today make this comparison pointless and a massive waste of time. As evidence, look at every single airline that has a hub and an HQ operation in different cities. DL, AA, UA, WN, and on and on and on. That's just a brief list of airlines that fit the description above. Never mind the even longer list of non airlines that operate their HQ in one city, and major facilities in other cities. Move on.

Quoting SolarFlyer22 (Reply 12):
This is a distraction to flyers and investors to.

Yeah. Right. 99% of flyers have no idea where the airline they are flying has its HQ. Further, I would argue that 98% of shareholders share the same level of ignorance. This potential move has no impact on either group.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6664 times:



Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 15):
urthermore, Florida doesnt offer the same quality of life that NYC and its suburbs do.

In fact I think they would enjoy it more. MCO is a big time NYC transplant city.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineTHEENGINEER From Germany, joined Mar 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6390 times:

What would happen to the JFK terminal?

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5631 times:



Quoting THEENGINEER (Reply 22):
What would happen to the JFK terminal?

Hopefully give it to an airline that deserves to stay in the air...



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineN659AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

Has anyone considered how much of the HDQ Crewmembers commute into New York now? I know a few who live in Florida now (and many more in other locations) and commute to New York every week.

25 WesternA318 : For in-flight crewmembers, it shouldnt be too bad, but if its office personnel or other areas, it's GOT to be a drain...
26 TIA : It's also important keeping your employees happy. As someone else said already, uncertainty like this hurts employee morale and productivity. And I'm
27 Icebird757 : What do you mean? Operationally nothing would change, it's just the offices in Queens that would move.
28 SolarFlyer22 : That's not even within a stone's throw of being accurate. Large moves like this includes transition of services like call centers, movement of manage
29 Tommy767 : If by "good quality of life" you mean angry people, bad weather, tolls, pricey public transportation, expensive groceries, and THE most expensive ren
30 B6JFKH81 : Nothing. The terminal is not their headquarters, just an operational hub. Headquarters is where you have people working the desks. JFK will continue
31 CatIII : Hmmm...to work on Wall Street and screw up the economy? Bright and ambitious people from all over the country also move to Dallas, Atlanta, Boston, P
32 Condorito : It's not like this is unprecedented. AA was based in New York for a long time.
33 B6JFKH81 : Thank you very much! ~H81
34 BOACCunard : Yeah. AA moved from NYC to DFW. TW moved from NYC to HPN to STL (IIRC). EA moved from NYC to MIA. All these airlines retained substantial followings
35 STT757 : CO moved from Los Angeles to Houston
36 BOACCunard : Yeah, I was just doing airlines that have moved from NYC. US of course moved from Arlington to Tempe, sort of (roughly in the same way that CO moved
37 Azul320 : Crist should tell Barger if they want the financial incentives to move to Orlando, JetBlue must serve Florida's capital Tallahassee (TLH).
38 Blueman87 : i heard they only moving coperate i think i read that somewhere cant remember where though
39 Apodino : Not really. A great example now is F9. Their corporate HQ is going to be IND, yet their big hub is likely going to remain DEN. FL's main hub is ATL,
40 Beryllium : The move would make sense from the cost savings perspective. Orlando is obviously a lot less expensive than New York. However, B6 has to keep in mind
41 WesternA318 : Before LA it was DEN, before that it was ELP
42 BlueFlyer : How centralized is B6 as a company overall? Many corporations like to keep everything under one roof, whereas others have each department running as
43 Luv2cattlecall : The Forest Hills location lacks proper fire-suppression equipment, and requires massive $$$ and time to retrofit it to be up-to-code. There is a zero
44 WesternA318 : Oh, I do have my reasons, however, that is for another thread... Somehow, I don't think the fuzzy slipper brigade will be packing up for the mouse ho
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