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KLM/Air France To Charge Obese Passengers  
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2716 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 12899 times:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/new...ticle.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=10621264

Just saw this article in the New Zealand Herald

Looks like there going to start early this year

What are your thoughts ??


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 12821 times:

What are the criteria? In my case, I'm 260 lbs and 5'9", but I can still easily squeeze myself on an aircraft seat because despite being fat, my body is somewhat more compact for someone my weight and height. There are many levels of obesity and I've seen people much fatter than myself, who'd probably have major trouble to fit on the driver's seat or the seat next to the driver in a car. So once again, what are the criteria? What if a bodybuilder has problems fitting on an aircraft seat, would he or she also be considered obese and be charged those 75% of an extra seat?

User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1684 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 12756 times:

According KLM, criteria is safety: in case of evacuation, the arm-rests should freely move (and passengers should not be stuck)....personally, I think it's for generating more money though !

When the flight was NOT full, the extra-charge will be refunded to the passenger(s), according KLM !!!



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2820 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 12740 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
What are the criteria?

According to the article the criteria is being so obese that you require more than one passenger seat.


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3736 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 12733 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
What are the criteria?

It's written in the article: People who can't fit in one seat and need another one will have to pay 75% of the price of the second one. If you can fit in the seat, no matter your weight, then you won't have to pay anything.
I suppose it will only be charged if the pax requests the extra seat.

If you ask me, 75% is a good deal...



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User currently offlinePeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 12667 times:

The time of "political correctness" has arrived in the airline industry. AF/KL, of course, have the right and obligation to conduct a fair and safe business operation. However, lawyers are already salivating in the starting blocks, over this one.

This is how it will all play out, eventually:

1) I expect law suits from the "obese". What are the "obese" criteria? Is it some sort of height/width formula? Armrest up and down formula? Who qualifies? What if the plane is 100% full and the "obese" doesn't pass the squeeze test. Chaos before departure? Embarrassment?

2) Judges will say it is "unfair". Airlines will be "forced" by judges to make accommodations for the "obese" without extra charge (just like wheelchair bound people are accommodated).

3) Airlines will be "forced" to offer the extra needed seat "free of charge", for safety reasons.

4) Passengers are all trying to fatten up before their trip because they are trying to "qualify" for the free extra seat.  duck 

5) At the check-in counter, Airlines will have to offer a sample seat for passengers to sit in, to make sure they "fit", kind of like the carry-on size checker. (or the rollercoaster 'test seat", at the Theme Park).

5) Tall people will go to their lawyers next and demand free upgrades so they can "accommodate" their legs.

6) Short people will follow this trek to the courtroom to demand footrests so their legs don't dangle on 11 hour flights.

7) The end is near  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12603 times:



Quoting Peanuts (Reply 5):
The time of "political correctness" has arrived in the airline industry. AF/KL, of course, have the right and obligation to conduct a fair and safe business operation. However, lawyers are already salivating in the starting blocks, over this one.

As a private company... do they have the right to refuse service for any reason?

Can't fat people then sue designer clothing companies that don't make XXL size clothes?
Vegans sue steakhouses for not making veggie burgers, etc?

Can someone please explain to me whether or not, and how, and in what countries, this would have (if any) legal standing to be sued?

Thanks ahead of time

'902



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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12565 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 3):
According to the article the criteria is being so obese that you require more than one passenger seat.

Seat per passenger.

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 6):
Can't fat people then sue designer clothing companies that don't make XXL size clothes?
Vegans sue steakhouses for not making veggie burgers, etc?

Only in America, where the suing culture is ridiculous. Eg. you shouldn't need someone to tell you not to put your cat in a microwave.

The US needs a return the past times.. if you see a massive great hole, don't walk near it. You shouldn't need to be told, then sue if you aren't told.


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1583 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12567 times:



Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 6):
Can someone please explain to me whether or not, and how, and in what countries, this would have (if any) legal standing to be sued?

Just now on french TV a lady member of a anti-discrimination movement explained discrimination starts from AF website where you' ll have to identify yourself as fat (self discrimination?) to buy a 2nd seat
I think AF will have to be very cautious in the phrasing like " if you feel our eco seat is to narrow for your comfort and /or your security in case of evac, please tick here to be billed 75% of the neighboring seat"  Wink

Quoting MH017 (Reply 2):
personally, I think it's for generating more money though !

Probably....but also remember there were many scandals with overweight pax recently.
Some of them being  butthead  demanding they were given biz seats for the price of eco because it's not their faulf if eco seats are so narrow....



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3161 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12467 times:



Quoting Peanuts (Reply 5):
Armrest up and down formula?

Yes this is what's announced.

Quoting Peanuts (Reply 5):
What if the plane is 100% full and the "obese" doesn't pass the squeeze test.

Most likely denied boarding, covered up by safety reasons.

Quoting Peanuts (Reply 5):
Embarrassment?

I guess this is up to the professionalism of the check-in crew.


User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 12368 times:

Good for KLM/AF it is right to charge extra

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 12357 times:

After being stuck next to an overweight man on a recent MIA-CDG flight on AF, I also support the idea...

I have more brilliant ideas but I most likely would be accused of being racist....



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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 12302 times:

I also think that this a good idea. Personally, if you are too large to fit into one seat, why should other pax suffer? You also have to pay, if you check more baggage than allowed. Sucks for the fatties but one has to consider the comfort of the other PAYING passengers, too.


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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 12297 times:



Quoting MH017 (Reply 2):
According KLM, criteria is safety: in case of evacuation, the arm-rests should freely move (and passengers should not be stuck)

When the flight was NOT full, the extra-charge will be refunded to the passenger(s), according KLM !!!

This statement contradicts itself:
On one hand they say it's for safety, and on the other they clearly state it has to do with the comfort of other passengers. Whether the plane is full or not, the obese passenger would still be stuck in the seat, no?


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12231 times:



Quoting Levent (Reply 13):
Whether the plane is full or not, the obese passenger would still be stuck in the seat, no?

I see no contradiction. If you don't fit in your seat, you need two. If the plane is not full, you get the second seat for free. That's quite reasonable IMHO. They said it's mainly for safety, but also to provide some extra comfort. While it's PR talk, it has some truth in it. After all, it's more comfortable for the obese person as well as for the pax sitting next to them.

I'm overweight myself and I support this policy. Thankfully, I still fit comfortably in any Y seat, but I still work my ass off to get thinner (and it's working thankfully). Maybe more people should do that.



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User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12184 times:

Forget the offence caused......

It is an absolute ray of sunshine for many a poor person i've seen squashed up against the window while the obese person sat next to them is taking up so much more room. I find it really, really unfair and can totally ruin a persons journey.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12181 times:

I am of the opinion that it is not the fault of the airline when passengers cannot fit into a standard coach seat. Of course, there is debate as to whether KL's 3x4x3 seating in the 773 is standard, but that's an argument for another day.

People make the choice to be obese, and I don't think the airline should lose revenue because the passenger makes this choice. I also don't think nearby passengers should have to suffer through an even more uncomfortable experience because of it either. If people are not willing to take responsibility for controlling their weight, then they should be willing to accept the consequences (such as paying for a second seat when they cannot fit into one).


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 12029 times:

Good on AF / KLM. About time too. I think they should take this further and say that a single ticket is good for a weight of up to, say 120kg. Anything over 120kg and you pay extra in the same way as you pay for excess baggage (you could even use the same term!).

The biggest single cost on a flight is fuel. Fuel cost is directly proportional to weight. The 'obese' already pay more for fuel in their car (as they use more fuel to lug themselves about), so why should air travel be any different.


User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 12015 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 16):
I am of the opinion that it is not the fault of the airline when passengers cannot fit into a standard coach seat.

Acouple of thoughts come to mind.
If AF/KLM reduce seat width to 15" then they will be able to charge 75% of the fare for an extra seat to 75% of the passengers.

II'm surprised the EU is so backward on human rights, that Govt are not breathing down the throats of AF/KLM.
Besides the obese this will catch the very large non obese person.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 16):
People make the choice to be obese,

That shows a misundrstanding of the causes of obesity.

People do not choose to be fat any more than they choose to be poor.
It is very often betonf their control.

If it was that simple, why would there be a multi billion dollar worldwide weight reduction industry.
If people had chosen to be obese then they would simply just stay that way.

Farmers have for years bred livestock to put on weight and become obese.
They put the cows out in the paddock and they all eat the same grass, and some get fat and some get skinny. The skinny obes are culled out and become SPAM, and the fat ones are sent to slaughter. Are the cows making a choice to be fat.?

There is a large amount of research going on which has uncovered some of the biochemistry behind obesity. A lot of it is inherited, not by choice.

And so on, and so on.

This is nothing more than revenue raising or getting everyone prepared to go 10 abreast in a 350!.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 12004 times:

I'm hardly skinny myself and I really don't have a problem with this.

Economy class seating is pretty much made to similar dimensions everywhere - the main differences being seat pitch & cabin cinfiguration, so if you know you don't fit into an Economy seat then don't buy one, or buy 2, or buy a premium economy/business class seat.

75% of the fare for the second seat is a bargain in my eyes.



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User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 11989 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
What if a bodybuilder has problems fitting on an aircraft seat, would he or she also be considered obese and be charged those 75% of an extra seat?

Obese, no. Charged extra, oh yes. This is even more clear cut. The 'body builder' made a conscious decision to develop their body to a point well away from the norm. If they can no longer fit in a seat that the vast majority of the rest of us can they can either pay 75% of the cost of a second seat or pay extra for J/F class.

Simples.


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 11959 times:



Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 18):
People do not choose to be fat any more than they choose to be poor.

Oh come on, that's a really poor comparison.

I would bet that the vast majority of obese people choose to eat more calories than their daily exercise / natural metabolism allows them to burn. Yes there will be cases where disorders disturb this balance to the point of it being nigh on impossible to maintain a healthy weight, but are you telling me that the majority of obese people are not in that condition because they have a poor diet / exercise mix?

As for the "choose to be poor" argument, looking purely at developed countries with state sponsored education, people might not choose to be poor, but they might well make choices that statistically limit their chances of becoming rich. They might also be bone idle.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 18):
If it was that simple, why would there be a multi billion dollar worldwide weight reduction industry.

Much of which is based on old wives tales and bs. This industry exists mostly because of vanity and weak willed customers. You want to lose weight while not changing your diet? Do more exercise.

Oh, but that takes will power doesn't it!


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 11915 times:



Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 11):
I have more brilliant ideas but I most likely would be accused of being racist....

I really hope these obese people turn around to us and say, "I really don't like your tone, you're fattist", because wouldn't it be great to say, "No, no, I think you'll find you're fattest!". Big grin



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 831 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 11886 times:

If they buy two seats do they get two meals and hence get even fatter?


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11842 times:



Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 18):
People do not choose to be fat any more than they choose to be poor.

Mostly, yes they do. Poor diet (way too much meat, carbs, fats and sugar) and no or hardly any exercise. Again, I take myself as an example. I used to be pretty lean, no gut. Then I stopped exercising for 7-8 years and my diet was not the best. Result, I gained over 60 pounds in this period. Over the past year I have been exercising again and minding what I eat. Result: I lost 20 pounds. It's quite simple, it just takes determination.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 18):
II'm surprised the EU is so backward on human rights, that Govt are not breathing down the throats of AF/KLM.

Many airlines in the US are doing the same already. It has nothing to do with human rights. Flying is not a right, it's a privilege. Besides, it's not like they are forbidding you to fly, just buy an extra seat. If the flight's not full, the extra seat is free. Quite reasonable IMHO.

Quoting Woof (Reply 21):
You want to lose weight while not changing your diet? Do more exercise.

Changing diet is most of the time also very important. Parts of Europe have been getting more and more obese. The Netherlands, where I live, is a prime example. People are going more and more for the "easy" but very unhealthy meals. That needs to change. Most of the time a minor adjustment is enough. Instead of a bag of chips for lunch, eat a couple of sandwiches. Skip the regular coke and go for diet coke. In fact, forget about the coke and drink tea. Don't forget about (a light) breakfast. Research has shown that breakfast is very important to your metabolism for the rest of the day. But more and more people are skipping breakfast.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 18):
Farmers have for years bred livestock to put on weight and become obese.

I do agree that the food industry is partially to blame. The example of corn syrup has been given, but also additives given to the food of the livestock.



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25 CrimsonNL : As long as the operator's country's constitution doesn't say: "Everyone has the right to cheap air transport" I really don't see the problem. You don'
26 Ssublyme : I don't see the problem? I mean why can't the airline charge you more money, after all it obviously would cost more to move you from A to B if you (un
27 Peanuts : I agree what most of you on here are saying, but in the grand scheme of things: it will be challenged. Yes, but there is always that one exception. On
28 RwSEA : Most people are smarter than livestock. They know when to stop eating. They know that they can exercise. Cows simply eat anything and everything that
29 KiwiRob : I met Dorian Yates out of season in 98, even though he was obviously muscular he was also pretty fat. It's a pretty daft human right to be fat.
30 Surprise : Now you tell me !!!
31 LTU932 : Not all people choose to be obese, sometimes they may have a genetic dispoition to obesity. In that case, is it their fault they're fat, even if they
32 764 : OK, I would appreciate the option to buy additional space, but being forced to do so is clearly not my idea of fair treatment. In the US it would most
33 CoachClass : It's not an issue of being fat, but of size. I think a professional wrestler or body builder would impinge on my space just as much as Luciano Pavarot
34 Icarus75 : As per Le Figaro from today, AF denied the move to charge "obèse" people. Since 2005, AF offers the possibility to buy a second seat with 25% discoun
35 YULWinterSkies : Or they could use the Y+ cabin, if there are free seats there. I think it totally fits in the discussion, as i don't see a problem for a 2-4-2 Airbus
36 Post contains images GrahamHill : What discrimination?? Are these people for real?! Air France does not oblige you to charge extra seat for obese people, they are offering the possibi
37 Woof : He takes up far less space than he used to. Unless you're including the box?
38 Art : True. As is the following: You want to lose weight while not changing your exercise pattern? Eat less. There have been a lot of threads about obese p
39 LTU932 : In the case of the picture, this surcharge is totally justified. However, I am against the blatant generalisation that all obese people are obese by
40 Post contains links BA84 : Here is the policy from AF's USA website: http://www.airfrance.us/US/en/common...ur/assistance/particuliere_pfc.htm BA84
41 Toobz : Amen brotha. We are so ridiculously out of control.. regarding this issue, I would have to say good. if your that much overweight that your taking up
42 LJ : Given that some US airlines (UA and DL) also have this policy I doubt that AF/KL will have an issue with the US. In fact, I wouldn´t be surprised if
43 Ushermittwoch : On a side note, I watched a program yesterday in which there was a guy weighing 290 kilos (around 640 pounds US) trying to fly on U2 and FR. When flyi
44 GrahamHill : I think that the AF/KLM offers are targetting this kind of persons. I would guess that people who are fat, but not obese, can travel on one seat. Tru
45 Varig md-11 : I agree with you For normal pax, this 3-4-3 cabin is already stressing....add one or two overweight people and a emergency evac, I don't know how it
46 CanadianNorth : First of all, let me say that I understand it's not always their fault for being overweight. And yes, it is rather unfair that they should have to pa
47 Richcandy : Hi Firstly I don't have an issue with an airline saying that because you don't fit into one seat you need to pay for a second. That to me seams fair.
48 GrahamHill : I'm saying that I don't understand where the discrimination is, as long as AF does not oblige anyone to do anything. And I could not watch it on TV s
49 Varig md-11 : No prob I felt a bit you wanted to shoot the messenger!
50 DocLightning : Everyone believes it, but someone pointed out to me that if his butt is in the seat, then he's 2 feet taller than everyone around him, which would me
51 KL911 : Very good move. I hope more airlines will enforce this. Please do realize that only a few percent of the obese people on the world are that way due to
52 MadameConcorde : Each time Luciano Pavarotti flew on Concorde, which was quite frequent as he travelled between New York and London or Milano via CDG (think of the Me
53 BrouAviation : It's a great Idea. I was squeezed in a windowseat on an LX A333 on ZRH-DXB, with a extremely fat and large man between me and the isle. The armrests d
54 GrahamHill : Possible. But you have people who can be very wide Well, it's a more pragmatic way of saying it
55 DocLightning : In Michigan, I believe the legislature passed legislation that states that obesity is neither a disability nor is it a protected class. People had bee
56 Kappel : Yes, I'm not skinny by any means, but I fit comfortably in one seat. True, but these are rare cases. It isn't. It was taken by a flight attendant. It
57 Shamrock604 : This is insane. The airlines need to get their own house in order on this one. I have a 37 inch waist, being a broad shouldered, well built guy. I rec
58 Nclmedic : Well I'm almost certain in legal terms there's very little the lawyers can do about this one. AF/KL as a business is more than entitled to charge peop
59 Dufo : OK, but in this case also proportionally LOWER the fare for those UNDERweight as they require less fuel burn. That should be fair.
60 Tradewinds : People don't become tall by stuffing their faces with McDonald's and potato chips for years on end. The majority of obese people are obese because of
61 Ruscoe : Here's another gem for you to contemplate! 95% of people who loose a substantail amount of weight put it back on again within 12 months. Why? Being ov
62 Shamrock604 : A majority perhaps, but NOT ALL. And that is the central point. Ref:
63 DL767captain : I have mixed feelings about this. For one, i get annoyed when i paid for my 17 inches of seat width and some large man comes and sits down in the seat
64 Pohakuloa : Okay so I have read through this whole forum and there have been great points and utter prejudicial statements flung around (many that have been appar
65 FrmrCAPCADET : None of my, or YOUR, business why someone else is obese (or otherwise too big to fit in a seat), but it is my and your business that they don't try to
66 A380forana : I personally do basically agree with this kind of policy, as many of you said, it is a privilege to fly and people who do not fit in the seat, if they
67 Babybus : Although I think it's a good idea to charge fat people extra to cover fuel and extra seat use, I wonder how that will affect customer relations. Who w
68 GayStudPilot : I absolutely agree with charging for two seats. I like the idea of charging weight surcharges however at some point, over some limit, "people of size"
69 TGV : They should pre-tick the box for flights on 777 (with their 3-4-3 config). AF has more 3-4-3 777 than KL (all 77W and the 772 fleet is being refitted
70 Shamrock604 : Yeah, sure while we are at it, lets stop homosexuality, Islam, Irishness, whatever the intolerance of the day happens to be...
71 Richcandy : Yes but not all do. There are two reasons why people put the weight back on. 1) Traditional diet programes only deal with weight loss. They don't giv
72 Richcandy : Its a long story and not for this forum. However I had to get my doctor to agree to sign some forms that let me join a program that used, counselling
73 By188b : Does this mean they get offered two meals?
74 Ushermittwoch : No, only 1.75...
75 Varig md-11 : Yeah, the same at NCE... and when AF started to replace nearly everybody with automats they cried out "scandal", and we were relieved I am an airport
76 RwSEA : Obesity is a major problem in the US, and it's getting worse in other developed nations as well. Obesity is not natural - it is something that is a d
77 N1120A : This sounds pretty identical to WN's policy, only with a 25% discount. Bodybuilders generally have small waists, especially in proportion to their sho
78 SurfandSnow : Finally an airline truly confronts the highly problematic issue of obesity! This measure is long overdue and I do hope will become a global industry s
79 TheCommodore : What are you talking about. It's not just an "issue" for those next to them as you say, its an issue for everyone on the plane, that being the comfor
80 Post contains links Slinky09 : According to this story: http://www.abtn.co.uk/news/2013670-a...rance-launches-new-short-haul-seat Air France emphatically deny any policy to force pe
81 Richcandy : I agree with you, its not natural but there are many reasons for obesity. 1. Many people don't cook they live on take away food and meals that you za
82 Woof : One where I get what I pay for and I pay for what I get. This is not a 'national health service' we are talking about here, where the fortunate pay t
83 DIRECTFLT : Rules you probably won't see: Obese people are now deemed a hazard to the flying public and are hereby restricted from flying, as getting them safely
84 764 : According to that policy, they expect passengers with a waist measure of up to 130cm (52 inches) to fit into their Economy seats. Uhm..... How? I am
85 Post contains links BA84 : Quoting links from previous posts doesn't work for some reason. Here's the AF link again: http://www.airfrance.us/US/en/common...ur/assistance/particu
86 BA84 : In case the link doesn't work, here is the text from the AF website: Passengers with a high body mass Travel in more comfort and security with Air Fra
87 Varig md-11 : And that's when unsensitive boarding agents will take a tailor's centimeter to measure up pax bellies Let's say I am overweight but feel like I am av
88 TheCommodore : Sometimes life is cruel, but at the end of the day if that is what it take's then so be it ! You can try and fool yourself all you want about your we
89 Richcandy : Hi I am reading a book on BOAC and in the back few pages they have seating plans for 747-100. The economy class cabin is set out as 3-4-2. That with t
90 Jpiddink : And now for the practical legitimation of this rule: let's say this slightly obese pax has indeed reserved an extra seat because he (she) doesn't com
91 Kappel : No, not going to happen. If there are seats available, the gate agent would never ask money for the extra seat, because it is free. Further AF/KL ann
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