Hmm, interesting. If someone wants to go through the trouble, they can restore the flight deck and have an excellent flight simulator set up. I know one place in Toronto that has it done on an ex-UA aircraft, IIRC.
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5039 posts, RR: 14 Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15437 times:
Darn. For a second there, I thought you were talking about the Gimli Glider.
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ACKattack From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 56 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14383 times:
Since this was a major news story and thus will most likely become part of remembered US history, the Smithsonian should purchase, or receive as a donated for a tax write off for the donating company, the fuselage and display it or the whole the cockpit area. This would be to honor and remember the "Miracle on the Hudson"
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 14043 posts, RR: 55 Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14066 times:
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2): Darn. For a second there, I thought you were talking about the Gimli Glider.
IIRC, that aircraft is now proudly serving beer...
JetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13813 times:
ZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2991 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13669 times:
Quoting ACKattack (Reply 7): Since this was a major news story and thus will most likely become part of remembered US history, the Smithsonian should purchase, or receive as a donated for a tax write off for the donating company, the fuselage and display it or the whole the cockpit area.
I note that AIG is the insurer. That being the case I think the taxpayers already own the thing and AIG should just give it to the Smithsonian as partial payback for the bailout......
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Rwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1614 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12466 times:
Quoting JetBlast (Reply 9): If I remember correct the Smithsonian does not purchase items in their collection - they are all donated. Correct me if I am wrong.
Various museums under the Smithsonian's heading have certainly made purchases, including some fairly substantial ones, over the years. But most stuff is donated or loaned. I don't know what the general policy is (other than don't spend money), but I suspect the right artifacts could get paid for in the right circumstances.
But why they'd want to pay for a beat up A320 I don't know - I really don't think it's *that* historic.
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5039 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12396 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11): as I believe it stopped at TUS to clear customs before continuing to MHV.
That's one heck of an out-of-the-way customs station. SLC, SFO, or even LAS would've been better.
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KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 11259 times:
Quoting Lemmy (Reply 14): "The aircraft was treated with a corrosion inhibitor in the Summer of 2009."
So, ummmm ... yeah. Totally flyable.
LOL, one must wonder if there's an AirlineFax report available for that MSN (something akin to the CarFax history report here in the USA that one would get before purchasing a used car...)
I can imagine the Trade-A-Plane ad now,
"A320-214, gently used in scheduled air carrier service, 20,000 hours, 20,000 cycles, 20,000 takeoffs and 19,999 landings logged. No engines included in sale, needs updated interior, repairs to minor belly skin damage, and D-check".
Hey, I should be a salesman
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Dw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1238 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10330 times:
Quoting Rwessel (Reply 12): But why they'd want to pay for a beat up A320 I don't know - I really don't think it's *that* historic.
Would make a nice replacement for that big plastic A320 cockpit they have. Display as is or repair to new. Frankly, I could see Airbus buying it, parting out salvageable components, and restoring the cockpit for display in DC.
Skydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 798 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9985 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 17): repairs to minor belly skin damage
Minor belly skin damage?? This airplane was gutted like a fish! You also failed to mention several dozen boat 'dings' and river silt in the instruments. I don't think I'll be buying my next airplane from you, KELPkid.
Threepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2016 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9808 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 19): Yeah, what's the deal with Canadians and running twin-engined jets out of fuel?
Well, sheesh - any eejit can fly a plane with two or even one engine. You'll note that whenever we take a Boeing or an Airbus for a glide, we always fly it away once we top up the tanks. Can your man Sully say that?
But the Panamanians have us beat - they one-upped us by landing on a grass levee. Show-offs.
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LimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 26, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10633 times:
So what are we looking at in terms of $$$, here?
Hundreds of $k? Single-digit millions? More? Less?
Trnswrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 693 posts, RR: 0 Reply 27, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10490 times:
Is that A320 available for anyone just to walk up and see? Is it still in New Jersey?
Scotland1979 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 543 posts, RR: 16 Reply 28, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10435 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 26): It should be put back together at put on display at the Intrepid museum. After all, it landed right beside it!!!!!
I totally agree. Intrepid is by the Hudson River where A320 landed. Less costs to transport A320 from New Jersey.
I think alot of people are not familiar to the name of the museum. So with N106US displays at Intrepid, can help more people heard about "Intrepid" more and attracts more tourists. It also good for the Concorde G-BOAD
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Threepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2016 posts, RR: 8 Reply 29, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10263 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 26): That 737-300 double engine flameout in heavy rain and hail near MSY in 1988 involved TACA (El Salvador, not Panama).
My bad. That's whatcha get by relying on memory and not doing a cursory search before posting. I was thinking of Copa.
Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 27): So what are we looking at in terms of $$$, here?
Hundreds of $k? Single-digit millions? More? Less?
Less. The value of the scrap aluminum - five figures probably. Is there really any intrinsic or historical/emotional value on the recognizable hull parts? Perhaps to the people actually aboard the flight - but not really for the aviation community as a whole. It was one of many hundreds of airliner accidents in which most or all aboard survived. If the identical event had happened in any other location, it wouldn't have received a fraction of the notoriety it did.
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Tugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 3552 posts, RR: 4 Reply 31, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9793 times:
Quoting Threepoint (Reply 30): Is there really any intrinsic or historical/emotional value on the recognizable hull parts?
It's probably blasphemy to many here but I say cut it up into pieces and sell 'em! Some small ones for key chains and "good luck" trinkets, some large and "collectible" (sealed in a nice little glass enclosure and all) , whatever is sellable. Then market it using all available sales channels from eBay to late night television and Walmart. Make as much money as you could from "the Miracle on the Hudson" ("You can can own a piece of this incredible story").
And obviously a lot of it would be just sold for scrap.
Tugg
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Soon7x7 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 2525 posts, RR: 16 Reply 33, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8980 times:
I'll bet this carcas will sell at $40,000 to a scraper...the expense of hauling it to the scrapyard alone is a big nut even if the scraper has his own flatbeds...much of what is laying on the ground other than the wingboxes is CFRP's and to my knowledge scrapers don't want the stuff...so New York City Spotters...If you want to cough up some funds to save the tail...I'm in!.
Years ago out on Long Island the Stearman Bros Auctioned off the remains of the TWA L-1011 that aborted take off at JFK. The hulk and engines went for pennies on the dollar.
Borism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0 Reply 35, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8037 times:
Quoting Tu154m (Reply 25): It should be put back together at put on display at the Intrepid museum. After all, it landed right beside it!!!!!
Quoting Scotland1979 (Reply 29): I totally agree. Intrepid is by the Hudson River where A320 landed. Less costs to transport A320 from New Jersey.
Absolutely! Interpid is the best home for it. But where would they put it? I have an idea...
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 33): Question is, they restore and patch her up and then set her on a raft for display. With or without the engines I wonder?
No need to restore. What they should do is to place her semi-submerged in the water on top of columns or floating base, then run stairways (in form of emergency slide rafts) into the fuselage, so that visitors can get the idea about how it's like to evacuate from ditching plane!
Farzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 158 posts, RR: 0 Reply 36, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7747 times:
Quoting Borism (Reply 37): No need to restore. What they should do is to place her semi-submerged in the water on top of columns or floating base, then run stairways (in form of emergency slide rafts) into the fuselage, so that visitors can get the idea about how it's like to evacuate from ditching plane!
Now here's a smart guy. If that would ever happen I would visit that museum next time I am in New York area for sure.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25729 posts, RR: 86 Reply 37, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7754 times:
The US Airbus is well beyond repair, but I still don't get why the Gimli Glider isn't in a museum. Shame on AC for that.
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Soon7x7 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 2525 posts, RR: 16 Reply 38, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7224 times:
I thought of the Intrepid as well but would see them taking only the fin and mounting it to a stantion somewhere near the Concorde. I doubt the Intrepid (being located in the land of lawyers) would take on the liability of children climbing around such wreckage in addition I would imagine they would take it as a donation, not a purchase...the srcap yard won't take the fin...j
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 4 Reply 39, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6883 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 39): The US Airbus is well beyond repair, but I still don't get why the Gimli Glider isn't in a museum. Shame on AC for that.
Air Canada has motivation to not preserve a monument to a near disaster....I would not be suprised, though, if it somehow got flown to MZJ and joined the display lineup at the Pima Air & Space museum
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Birdwatching From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 54 Reply 40, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6751 times:
Awsome, those photos of the inside of the cabin. So that's what a couple of days of Hudson water will do to a cabin interior. Looks a lot like a Ryanair cabin. Now I know how they do it.
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JettaKnight From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 192 posts, RR: 0 Reply 41, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6460 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5): Not so sure I'd want anything that was not only afloat in, but sank into, the Hudson River
Is there any truth to the rumor that there were more bodies in it when they raised it than when it sank?
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 14043 posts, RR: 55 Reply 44, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6076 times:
Quoting Skydrol (Reply 22):
Minor belly skin damage?? This airplane was gutted like a fish!
Woah, what did THAT? The impact with the water, or dragging on the bottom?
Birdwatching From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 54 Reply 48, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5683 times:
Quoting JMackey (Reply 49): Were there any salvageable parts that US could take back into inventory ? I have heard that is often done.
Are you sure? Then why did they have to throw away every part, down to the smallest screw, of the Etihad A340-600 they crashed into a wall at TLS some time ago, even though most of the plane was still brand new?
I sure wouldn't want to fly on a plane where parts were on the bottom of a river before.
Soren
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Ferengi80 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 649 posts, RR: 0 Reply 49, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5521 times:
Got me thinking when I saw this, would have been great to have the world's most famous gliders all in a museum together...
C-GAUN - AC143 Gimli Glider
N106US - US1549
C-GITS - TS236 Azores Glider
G-BDXH - BA9 Jakarta Incident
Then I checked the status of the airframes and learned that, sadly, G-BDXH was scrapped in 2005. C-GITS is the only aircraft still showing as active at http://www.airframes.org/
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 18464 posts, RR: 17 Reply 50, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5098 times:
Quoting Ferengi80 (Reply 52): Got me thinking when I saw this, would have been great to have the world's most famous gliders all in a museum together...
C-GAUN - AC143 Gimli Glider
N106US - US1549
C-GITS - TS236 Azores Glider
G-BDXH - BA9 Jakarta Incident
Since you mentioned the BA9 incident, should also add KL867, the KLM 747-400M Combi operating AMS-ANC-NRT in December 1989, when all 4 engines flamed out due to volcanic ash ingestion at 25,000 ft. approaching ANC. Engines were only restarted after the aircraft had descended to 12,000 ft. and a safe landing was made. As I recall, repair costs were in the millions of $$. That aircraft (PH-BFC, named "City of Calgary") is still with KL (now in KLM Asia livery). It was the first 747-400M Combi built. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19891215-1
Airlines don't want to remind customers of their near-disasters.
How about reminding their passengers of the heroics of their incredibly talented flight crews?
Well, in AC's case, the pilots (at least the captain, not sure about the first officer) were subject to disciplinary action (temporary suspensions if memory correct). Although their flying skills were excellent, the captain also had the final responsibility to ensure his aircraft had enough fuel to reach the destination. There were of course numerous issues that day, beginning with inoperative fuel gauges, and then incorrect metric conversion from pounds to liters etc.
C5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 900 posts, RR: 0 Reply 53, posted (2 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 3648 times:
Well, if someone like Trump or Warren Buffett or another multi-billionaire REALLY wanted to fly it again, theoretically, could it be done at whatever cost it would take?
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Moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1834 posts, RR: 14 Reply 54, posted (2 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 3692 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 17): LOL, one must wonder if there's an AirlineFax report available for that MSN (something akin to the CarFax history report here in the USA that one would get before purchasing a used car...)
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 44): Woah, what did THAT? The impact with the water, or dragging on the bottom?
It never dragged on the bottom of the river, that is mostly impact damage - if you see any of the security camera films of the impact, you'll understand.
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 32): Surely the Intrepid museum will buy it. Especially if its five figures to buy.
After the restoration project that was completed in 2008, I doubt they have any money for a purchase of this sort, not to mention the cost of moving it to the museum and building a display for it. And it's not like they have a lot of extra space there. Other than being in the same area of the Hudson river, the aircraft doesn't have much connection to the Intrepid (of course, neither does the Concorde, although that has a stronger NYC connection.)
David T From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 210 posts, RR: 0 Reply 56, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3195 times:
I noticed the website from this post no longer has any information related to the aircraft. In addition, if you go on the aig aviation website, salvage aircraft, N106US is no longer on the list. I'm sure the closing date was not until February...
Vctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 428 posts, RR: 0 Reply 57, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3184 times:
Quoting David T (Reply 59): I noticed the website from this post no longer has any information related to the aircraft. In addition, if you go on the aig aviation website, salvage aircraft, N106US is no longer on the list. I'm sure the closing date was not until February...
I'd venture to say that they got a number bogus bids as several blogs and news organizations found out about the sale. They're probably trying to restrict bidding to actual perspective buyers.
Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 16 Reply 58, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3172 times:
Quoting Borism (Reply 35): Absolutely! Interpid is the best home for it. But where would they put it? I have an idea...
It's an AIRCRAFT CARRIER, people! Sheesh!
It has a gigantic, mostly empty hangar. Much of it is not even used, IIRC - it's just blocked off to keep people in the exhibit areas.
They could fit the entire airplane in the hangar with room to spare.
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MrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1182 posts, RR: 4 Reply 59, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3158 times:
If I hear one more mention of "Sully" as the man of the day, I'm going to scream. Last I checked, the front office had required seating for two.. both of which were occupied on January 15th.
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KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 4 Reply 60, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3095 times:
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 18464 posts, RR: 17 Reply 61, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2697 times:
Quoting David T (Reply 56): I noticed the website from this post no longer has any information related to the aircraft. In addition, if you go on the aig aviation website, salvage aircraft, N106US is no longer on the list. I'm sure the closing date was not until February...
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