N537FX From Switzerland, joined Oct 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3140 times:
I was just wondering how certain airlines and new routes are doing out of TLV. Maybe one of my favorite airports in the area. Does anyone know of the feedback on the TLV-ICN route or routes to the former USSR. Last time i passed through I recall seeing quite a few Russian airlines servicing a number of cities, including carriers like Azerbaijan and Air Zena of Georgia. Thanks so much.
Jfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 808 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3106 times:
Airlines from the Soviet Union tend to do very good on there routes to TLV,
You must remember Israel is a country of 6 Million population with close to 2 Million ex Soviets.
Georgian carriers tend to do very good as well given the fact that the Israel is home to the largest Georgian population outside of Georiga in the world.
Azerbaijan is the country that imports most of Israel's Oil needs.
IAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2952 times:
I am also interested in finding out how KE is doing on the ICN-TLV route. I haven't heard anything about it since KE launched it. Is it sustainable, or will KE ax it?
777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5179 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2857 times:
Korean Air Cargo ended freighter service to TLV some months back, now the route is served with 744 Combi, while A332 will be operated in October for a short while, is this the first time A330 is being used there, have they used types on the route like MD11, 777.
AirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 852 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2520 times:
Russian Airlines flying to TLV:
Transaero from DME
Ural Airlines from SVX and Samara
Donavia from ROV
former KD AVIA from KGD
UTAir from VKO?? or somewhere else?
CIS:
Uzbekistan Airways from Tashkent
Azal from Baku
Armavia from Yerevan ??
SCAT from somewhere in Kazakhstan but not from ALA
Maybe Air Astana?
AeroSvit from KBP
Belavia from Minsk
Air Baltic from RIX
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2491 times:
It's quite difficult to compare TLV - mainly catering to O&D pax - to most of the other major airports in the region (i.e. CAI, IST, AMM, DXB, AUH, BAH, DOH), which now primarily function as major international transit hubs a la SIN. That would be like trying to compare LAX or JFK - major O&D airports with many small terminals, making arriving and departing easy but connecting a real pain - vs. DEN or ATL - major connecting complexes designed with transit pax in mind, but making it hard on local users.
Quoting N537FX (Thread starter): I was just wondering how certain airlines and new routes are doing out of TLV.
I know the new US route to PHL just came up in another forum, but as we all know, it is not hard for U.S. carriers to make money serving Israel. While AA would have a heck of a time returning to the country, I still don't know why UA isn't offering IAD-TLV - a capital-to-capital route linking two of the world's closest political allies...
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2399 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 7): a capital-to-capital route linking two of the world's closest political allies...
It would be a nice symbolic route, and there are also strong defense and bio-tech links between the DC-region and Israel. But the fact of the matter is that Continental and US operate from two nearby Northeast cities-TLV, plus LH and LX can route passengers from most US cities onto TLV, so there is no rush.
IAD-TLV would fit nicely into United's ~10PM bank from IAD though...
You can certainly still compare airports in the region. Perhaps not due to their roles, but the comparison can be about the efficiency and terminal style. I think T3 is a great and well planned out facility.
IAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2314 times:
Quoting A380US (Reply 4): How often does KE serve TLV?
3 times a week.
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 7): I still don't know why UA isn't offering IAD-TLV
IAD-TLV simply isn't a priority for UA. As RJpieces points out, UA relies on its Star Alliance partner, LH, to provide connections for passengers traveling between IAD and TLV. UA has never indicated that it has ever considered flying to TLV with its own aircraft. This contrasts with CO, which has publicly stated that it may launch IAH-TLV flights when it takes delivery of 787 aircraft and the economy strengthens.
Why historically SU doesn't fly from SVO to TLV when UN operates 3 daily flights to TLV (2 from DME and 1 from SVO) and LY a daily flight to DME plus some additional weekly flights with a mix of B744, B772, B767 and B757? In particular as Russia and Israel have now a Visa free policy.
How are the SU load to VDA? Mostly a leisure market when there is an important share of high yield between Moscow and TLV
SU seems only to focus mostly to BEY and Damascus in the region (in addition to CAI, DXB and THR, and the charter services with il96 to HGD and SSH)
A bit out of topic, but the same question: why no SU flights from SVO to Kazakhstan at least to ALA or Astana? With all the business in KZ , KZ being the second CIS largest country and with nearly 45% of Russian origin inhabitants.
NYC2TLV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2109 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 7): I still don't know why UA isn't offering IAD-TLV - a capital-to-capital route linking two of the world's closest political allies...
The capital of Israel is Jerusalem. That is where the government sits.
RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2068 times:
Quoting NYC2TLV (Reply 14): The capital of Israel is Jerusalem. That is where the government sits.
For all intents and purposes, since TLV is the only major international airport in the country, IAD-TLV would be considered a capital-to-capital flight. Not to mention that the airport is in between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem....
Severnaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2041 times:
Quoting AirGabon (Reply 13): Why historically SU doesn't fly from SVO to TLV when UN operates 3 daily flights to TLV (2 from DME and 1 from SVO) and LY a daily flight to DME plus some additional weekly flights with a mix of B744, B772, B767 and B757? In particular as Russia and Israel have now a Visa free policy.
Strange indeed, I think the bilateral doesn't allow them?
Quoting AirGabon (Reply 13): How are the SU load to VDA? Mostly a leisure market when there is an important share of high yield between Moscow and TLV
From what i've heard in the rumour-mill pretty good, Israel is very popular among Russians looking for some sun.
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2104 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1784 times:
It's strange that SU doesn't fly to TLV I could imagine this route being a cash cow. Possibly only one Russian and one Israeli airline are allowed to operate that route?
NYC2TLV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1640 times:
Quoting LXA340 (Reply 17): It's strange that SU doesn't fly to TLV I could imagine this route being a cash cow. Possibly only one Russian and one Israeli airline are allowed to operate that route?
SU operate a service to VDA (I think that it is three times a week), but no TLV.
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