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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

Just over the radio, a note book was scanned for explosives with a positive result. The owner of the note book vanished into a part of the terminal which is not open for the public. That terminal (don't know if T1 or T2 has been evacuated and the person is chased by police.

Nothing in writing yet on the ticker, should be more info shortly.


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User currently offlineDLH405heavy From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

It's terminal 2. Level G and H. More than 1200 police officers are searching for the man right now. The search ist expected to continue for a few more hours at least.
Until now this issue has already caused massive delays and cancelations.



Flying is life, the rest just details.
User currently offlineSlinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 836 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3625 times:

Saw the same on the BBC news, sounds very dodgy based on the current information ...

User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Just to clarify, this is MUC, Munich, Germany and it's a computer laptop (or notebook) rather than a paper note book, which is how I first read the OPs words.

User currently offlineXBerg From Germany, joined Jan 2010, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Here's an article in German:
http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,673057,00.html
It says that all passengers and personnel in the terrminal will be checked before being allowed to leave the area.
Apparently the 4th floor of terminal 2 is affected which is used for Schengen flights.


User currently offlineSkinnerde From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

yeah there are massive problems:

http://www.munich-airport.de/en/consumer/fluginfo/abflug/index.jsp

another article (sorry german):

http://www.merkur-online.de/nachrich...gesperrt-terminal-meta-598505.html

it states also passengers already in the planes have to be rechecked


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

They don't scan paper notebooks for explosives, not even in Bavaria. Sorry for the trouble.

Yes, T2 confirmed and latest i read was is that the laptop 8I hate that term) did not contain any explosives. Still, the owner dashed for the next available door and is now hiding somewhere in a part of T2 which has no public access.

Thousands reach their destination with a heavy delay just because of one idiot.



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User currently offlineXBerg From Germany, joined Jan 2010, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3463 times:



Quoting Skinnerde (Reply 5):


another article (sorry german):

http://www.merkur-online.de/nachrich....html

This article states that the man grabbed his laptop and ran away when security personell wanted to have a closer look at it. Then it says that the computer triggered some explosives alarm. How would that happen in an x-ray machine?


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2710 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3430 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
Still, the owner dashed for the next available door and is now hiding somewhere in a part of T2 which has no public access.

Maybe just a short connection?  duck 


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

Either at random or in case the person at the x-ray machine finds something suspicious noin the screen, laptops receive a second screening. The owner is asked to follow into a separate room where they have a machine, part of is something that resembles a vacuum cleaner and they take particles from the laptop, put the "cleaner" into the machine wait for the read out which is susually an OK and then you can pack your laptop and go.

Happens to me about twice a year.

There are confusing reports, some media says he left the laptop, some say he grabbed it and ran away.



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User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3331 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
laptop - I hate that term

Indeed, all too easy to confuse with my expenses receipts.


User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Once again. Much ado 'bout nothing. People can get so paranoid these days. What's worrying me the most is that this constant sentiment of fear and panic came to Central Europe from the US so quickly. I wonder what's next.

As the beloved Bavarians would say.. "Scheißbaanigg!"



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

T2 is back to business again.

They did not yet vfind the guy but passengers are screened again and flights will depart.



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2710 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Hopefully they will find who it was by evaluating the video recordings.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
Happens to me about twice a year.

You really shouldn't eat while working at your notebook.  Wink (and another one for security reasons  Wink )


User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Latest TV news hint the possibility that the mayhem might not be blamed to the notebook guy, but rather to the security staff who didn't call him back immediately when they detected could-be explosives.

I cannot remember for sure, but I think I read a topic here some weeks ago about an a-netters laptop computer being suspected to contain explosives, too. How can this be, do some electronic devices contain any substances that can be mixed up with explosives or ARE even explosives?



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

looks like the guy was in a hurry, did not understand that the security people told him that they needed to re-scan his laptop (wia muessa eahna laptop pruefa) and went on with a security lady chasing him but he was faster. They assumed he went on a flight to MAD and they relayed the video tape to MAD but they could not find him there either.

Sh*t happens and MUC security does nbot look to bright in this case. .  Smile That happens when they are too busy to talk gossip instead of doing their job.



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User currently offlineLH431 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2701 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 15):
That happens when they are too busy to talk gossip instead of doing their job.

exactly! Gossip talk is what they mostly do  Wink



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User currently offlineSkinnerde From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2500 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 15):
(wia muessa eahna laptop pruefa)

you made my day !


User currently offlineXBerg From Germany, joined Jan 2010, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2442 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 15):

Sh*t happens and MUC security does nbot look to bright in this case. . Smile That happens when they are too busy to talk gossip instead of doing their job.

I've mostly experienced the MUC security staff as particularly rude, last time on monday. Turns out now that at least some of them are incompetent as well.

That's what you get when you trade thorough staff training (and decent payment) for sheer numbers of personnel.


User currently offlineCptRegionalJet From Germany, joined Oct 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2434 times:



Quoting XBerg (Reply 18):
That's what you get when you trade thorough staff training (and decent payment) for sheer numbers of personnel.

Pay peanuts,get monkeys.It's as simple as that!


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2866 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

Now now, I have not been to Europe since the summer of 2008, but when I was flying out of FCO at that time, I saw a lady ambivalently waltzing through the metal detector wearing sunglasses and chatting on her cell phone. The security staff did not even seem to care. While the Europeans may impose fairly stringent security measures for flights destined to the U.S. and Israel, this does not seem to be the case for other international, intra-EU, or domestic flights.


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User currently offlineFn1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

I think we did not get the whole story. I am sure there must be a different version than what the media is selling. There are some things which I can not understand considering the known facts:

- did the x-ray machine scan the notebook for explosives? Last time when I got my computer checked, I had to go to a separate room, where there was a special analyzes device for explosives. As I understood from the explanation of the security, the x-ray is just a visual control and if there is a pattern that looks strange, they make a chemical check of the surface using test-straps.

- Usually it takes longer for the passenger to go through the metal detector and maybe getting pawed than the items on the belt go through the x-ray detector. If there was something visible in the notebook, the operator of the x-ray belt should have taken the notebook for a new check. Why did this not happen?



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User currently offlineXBerg From Germany, joined Jan 2010, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting CptRegionalJet (Reply 19):
Pay peanuts,get monkeys.It's as simple as that!

 

I've read that some of them are getting as little as 6.50 Euros per hour. Really, you get more as a waiter (but then, you'd have to be friendly towards customers).

Funny that this happened in Bavaria, the bundesland being first to adopt new ridiculous security measures in order to protect it's people from themselves ever since.

[Edited 2010-01-21 02:07:58]

User currently offlineMUCFLYER From Germany, joined May 2004, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting XBerg (Reply 22):
I've read that some of them are getting as little as 6.50 Euros per hour. Really, you get more as a waiter (but then, you'd have to be friendly towards costumers).

Funny that this happened in Bavaria, the bundesland being first to adopt new ridiculous security measures in order to protect it's people from themselves ever since.

hey come on, obviously you don't know how passenger security screening is handled in MUC!
Don't believe every press printed bullshit!
SGM is responsible for passenger security screening in Munich. www.sgm-muc.de
It is not a private company! SGM is owned by the state of Bavaria. That means much better conditions in training and earnings.

shit happens... should not off course, but you know  

[Edited 2010-01-21 02:37:35]

User currently offlineXBerg From Germany, joined Jan 2010, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Well, all I know about security handling in MUC is from what I have experienced there myself. I always found the staff outstandingly unfriendly. Of course that doesn't relate to their skills.

That 6.50 Euro figure wasn't mentioned for MUC specifically, but named as the lowest salary in the German airport security industry. Maybe they do earn more in Munich.


25 Post contains links Fn1001 : According to the job offer posted on the website of SGM ´http://www.sgm-muc.de/deutsch/stellen/anforderungsprofil.pdf they pay "Entgeltgruppe 5 TVöD
26 PanHAM : some more information. Looks like this has been the fault of a security checker. They where already in the room where the laptops are swiped for analy
27 Post contains links LTU932 : http://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/vi...flughafensicherheit_vid_15056.html The Polizeigewerkschaft, the German Police Union, demands that airport secur
28 PanHAM : Unions demand a lot of rubbish when the day is long and the sun does not shine. You get the same people in the lowest paid police rank you have now an
29 R2rho : Has happened to me twice in the last month, not just with my laptop but also with my SLR camera. Maybe they're controlling more frequently, or maybe
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