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OAG Changes 1/22/2010: AA/AM/CO/UA/US  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7190 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7897 times:

This compares what is for sale this week for the stated period versus what was for sale the prior week...NOT the prior year.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airliens are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Please take it easy on any typos...

AA
DFW-FSD 0>1 APR-
DFW-RAP 0>1 APR-
DFW-MHK 2>3 APR-
DFW-RNO 2>3 APR-
ORD-RAP 0>1 APR-
SJU-PAP 0>3/WK MAR-
SJU-POP 4/WK>1/WK APR-
SJU-SXM 3>2 APR-

AM
ONT-GDL 1>0 FEB-

CO
CLE-FLL 2>1 MAY-JUN
EWR-IAD 7>6 MAY-JUN
EWR-MAD 2>VARIES 9/WK-11/WK FEB-
EWR-MKE 4>3 MAY-JUN
EWR-OSL 7/WK>10/WK MAY-
EWR-SNN 7/WK>11/WK MAY-
IAH-IND 6>5 MAY-JUN
IAH-MTJ 0>1 MAY-
ROP-SPN 3/WK>0 APR-

UA
CLE-ORD 7>8 MAY-
DEN-MFR 1>2 JUN-
HNL-LAX 3>4 JUN-
IAD-LHR 4>3 MAR-
KOA-ORD 1/WK>0 JUN-
LAX-OGG 3>4 JUN-
OGG-KOA 1/WK>0 JUN-
OGG-ORD 1/WK>1 JUN-
ORD-TUL 4>5 MAY-
SFO-LIH 2>9/WK JUN-

US
CLT-MCO 9>8 MAY-
CLT-PBI 6>4 MAY-
CLT-PUJ 14/WK>16/WK MAY-
CLT-RSW 6>4 MAY-
CLT-UVF 1/WK>2/WK MAY-
DCA-FLL 4>3 MAY-
DCA-HHH 0>2/WK MAR-
DCA-PBI 4>3 MAY-
DCA-RSW 2>1 APR-
PHL-FLL 5>4 APR-
PHL-MBJ 7/WK>9/WK MAY-
PHL-MDT 6>8 MAR-
PHL-MIA 4>3 MAY-
PHL-MYR Season extended to May from Apr
PHL-PDX 0>1 MAY-
PHL-PUJ 7/WK>9/WK JUN-
PHL-RSW 4>2 MAY-
PHL-SBY 5>4 APR-
PHL-SJO 0>1/WK MAY-
PHL-SMF 0>1 MAY-

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16866 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7822 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
EWR-OSL 7/WK>10/WK MAY-

Oslo is finally seeing increased frequencies, the route is very popular and can easily support 2x daily for the Summer.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7738 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
Oslo is finally seeing increased frequencies, the route is very popular and can easily support 2x daily for the Summer.

It's funny because I see that as a remnant of the long ago CO-SAS alliance. That's when those markets really started to grow. That was like 20 years ago now, right?


User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7651 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DFW-MHK 2>3 APR-

Excellent! I heard the flights have been full and very popular....



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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4384 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7584 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 2):
It's funny because I see that as a remnant of the long ago CO-SAS alliance. That's when those markets really started to grow. That was like 20 years ago now, right?

EWR-OSL came about in the early or mid 2000s, IINM.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7520 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
IAD-LHR 4>3 MAR-

Why is UA decreasing the frequency of this route for the summer...or are they putting a 744 on the route?


User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7435 times:



Quoting KstateinALB (Reply 3):
Excellent! I heard the flights have been full and very popular....

Indeed, they are. I can't help but wonder why they don't add one ORD frequency instead though. Flying to DFW for a connection is out of the way for many destinations.


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7361 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):

AM
ONT-GDL 1>0 FEB-

Uh oh... Does that mean the last of AM's service into ONT?



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7220 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 4):
EWR-OSL came about in the early or mid 2000s, IINM.

I'm pretty sure it was flown in the SAS/CO era. Maybe it stopped for a while when they broke up.

Quoting San747 (Reply 7):
Uh oh... Does that mean the last of AM's service into ONT?

It does, but keep in mind AM changes their schedule like you change your underwear. They've been doing this goofy stuff lately where they appear to close stations for a few months and then resume them. Who knows...


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7212 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
PHL-SMF 0>1 MAY-

Anybody remember if this was flown last year?


User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7202 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
IAD-LHR 4>3 MAR-



Quoting United787 (Reply 5):
Why is UA decreasing the frequency of this route for the summer...or are they putting a 744 on the route?

I think it's supposed to be 3>4 because they are opperating only 3 right now...918, 922, and 924. 920 usually is added during the summer months...

Just my 0.02



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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7134 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):

Anybody remember if this was flown last year?

Both CLT/PHL-SMF and CLT/PHL-PDX were flown last summer. Service from PHL to those two cities has typically begun in May while flights from CLT to those two cities usually resumes in June.


User currently offlineStoliBabe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7104 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DCA-HHH 0>2/WK MAR-

Wow - they're starting this one again. When i worked for US, I non-revved on this once. An old Piedmont Dash 8-100 rattletrap .... 2 hrs and 25 minutes NONSTOP ... people were ready to commit suicide by the end of that nasty long flight.

Is it still a Dash? Actually i guess it's gotta be .... yuk.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7046 times:



Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 10):
I think it's supposed to be 3>4 because they are opperating only 3 right now...918, 922, and 924. 920 usually is added during the summer months...

Just my 0.02

It's correct. Remember this report does not compare to now or to the prior year. It just documents revisions in the selling schedule. UA is running a 3 rt pattern this Winter and was set to increase it for March to 4, but now it will stay at 3 rather than increase. Thus they are showing a decrease in service in the selling schedule from March forward.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7030 times:



Quoting StoliBabe (Reply 12):
Is it still a Dash? Actually i guess it's gotta be .... yuk.

Good news, you can relive that awful experience again and again. It's still on a DH8.


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 6787 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
PHL-PDX 0>1 MAY-

CLT-PDX was supposed to be seasonal...is it even a route for US nowadays?



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User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 6646 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 13):
It's correct. Remember this report does not compare to now or to the prior year. It just documents revisions in the selling schedule. UA is running a 3 rt pattern this Winter and was set to increase it for March to 4, but now it will stay at 3 rather than increase. Thus they are showing a decrease in service in the selling schedule from March forward.

that makes sense, if you cant fill 3 birds, why add a 4th...

just my 0.02



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

So, what is exactly up with AM? It seems like the US frequencies don't stay the same for more than a month or so...is it bad planning or does it have more to do with short term gain and if the routes are working they pull it?


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User currently offlineDLDTW1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

The shocker to me it the increase in service to SNN. Now if they can do that to DUB.

Chuck


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 6419 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 15):
CLT-PDX was supposed to be seasonal...is it even a route for US nowadays?

Don't remember if it's loaded. You might check usairways.com and report back!

Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 16):
that makes sense, if you cant fill 3 birds, why add a 4th...

just my 0.02

sure, it's kind of sad, however, that the peak Summer can't support more than Winter.  Sad

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 17):
So, what is exactly up with AM? It seems like the US frequencies don't stay the same for more than a month or so...is it bad planning or does it have more to do with short term gain and if the routes are working they pull it?

Their whole schedule process is bizarre. They announce stations and never start them. They drop service for two weeks and come back, but then leave again. They announce a station closing, but don't close it. It's not a problem in the schedule publishing process, IMHO, because some of those gaffes have been accompanied by press releases. I think it's extreme ADD coupled with the smell of failure. I haven't followed their financials, but it would appear they are behaving as if they are under extreme financial pressure and make snap decisions to respond.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 6187 times:



Quoting StoliBabe (Reply 12):
Wow - they're starting this one again. When i worked for US, I non-revved on this once. An old Piedmont Dash 8-100 rattletrap .... 2 hrs and 25 minutes NONSTOP ... people were ready to commit suicide by the end of that nasty long flight.

Is it still a Dash? Actually i guess it's gotta be .... yuk.

Hey if people prefer it to taking a connection in CLT and/or flying into SAV there is nothing wrong with it. With the runway length at HHH, a Dash-8 or the Saab is about all they can get in there.


User currently offlineGreenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 6118 times:



Quote:
UA CLE-ORD 7>8 MAY-

Nice to see growth in CLE. is this truly additional capacity or due to an equipment change?


User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 6032 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CO
CLE-FLL 2>1 MAY-JUN
EWR-IAD 7>6 MAY-JUN
EWR-MAD 2>VARIES 9/WK-11/WK FEB-
EWR-MKE 4>3 MAY-JUN
EWR-OSL 7/WK>10/WK MAY-
EWR-SNN 7/WK>11/WK MAY-
IAH-IND 6>5 MAY-JUN
IAH-MTJ 0>1 MAY-
ROP-SPN 3/WK>0 APR-

I think you forgot seasonal PDX-ANC on CO. Or is it not in OAG yet and, thus not reported?

~CGKings317  Smile



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2412 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 5975 times:



Quoting DLDTW1962 (Reply 18):
The shocker to me it the increase in service to SNN. Now if they can do that to DUB.

EWR-DUB already runs 2x daily 752 through most of the summer.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 5913 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DFW-FSD 0>1 APR-
DFW-RAP 0>1 APR-

Flights from DFW to America's heartland seem to do VERY well. I bet we could see even more new small cities added from DFW in due time (if only those CR7s weren't all headed to ORD, we could see DFW-Montana/BOI/upstate NY/etc.)...

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DFW-MHK 2>3 APR-

Three times daily?!?!?!? Leave it to AA to find a city with virtually NO air service to begin with and suddenly have 3 daily RJs. Could ORD-MHK be next?

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
SJU-POP 4/WK>1/WK APR-

I suppose something had to give to accommodate the new Haiti/DR flights from SJU. Though, POP is mostly a resort town, why does AA fly this route in the first place? Most routes WEST of SJU are for substantial ethnic/VFR traffic, not tourism purposes..I don't believe SJU-PUJ is an option, for example.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ONT-GDL 1>0 FEB-

Very sad to see ONT lose its only international service. ONT is the only airport in the Greater LA area aside from LAX to host int'l flights (BUR, LGB, and SNA sadly do not have the capabilities to do so) and it is the only airport in the area that is actually pleasant to fly from and prepared for future growth. So much for "if you build it, they will come". In California, if you don't build/do anything, everybody wants in (BUR and LGB are excellent examples), but if you actually do, everybody leaves (SJC and ONT)! They say a lot about this state is screwed up, and maybe they are right...

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DEN-MFR 1>2 JUN-

Nice to see this relatively new service doing well!

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
LAX-OGG 3>4 JUN-

4 daily LAX-OGG flights? I don't ever remember there being this many flights on the route! I just hope they keep a 767 or two on the route...Flying to Hawaii is just so much better in a widebody than a 757!

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
OGG-KOA 1/WK>0 JUN-
OGG-ORD 1/WK>1 JUN-

What is happening here? UA flew the ORD-OGG-KOA-ORD routing because their fully-laden 777 could not make it from OGG's short runway all the way to Chicago. Now, AA did fly this route nonstop with the 767 before UA beat them out of the market, so are is UA downgrading to a 767? Also, it seemed like about half the folks on the flight were headed to Kona...I'm a bit surprised they didn't keep a weekly ORD-KOA-ORD flight...

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CLT-RSW 6>4 MAY-

That is still A LOT of flights to Southwest Florida during the summer - it is absolutely DEAD there then!

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
PHL-PDX 0>1 MAY-



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
PHL-SMF 0>1 MAY-

Nice to see these flights returning. What about CLT-PDX and CLT-SMF???



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25 BACCALA : And GUM-HKG
26 Enilria : Again please remember this is just what was changed in this week's schedule update. I thought PDX-ANC was added a week or two ago. I'm hearing that a
27 KstateinALB : Yeah well, the rumor around here is that ORD would be the logical next step...
28 Globalcabotage : Look for ORD-MHK sometime... If UAEX does not beat them to this!
29 KstateinALB : I'd prefer UAX, but I'm guessing it will be American Eagle who will hit the ground running with that route...
30 Cslusarc : I'm guessing that DFW BOI could be a possible route sometime in the future. BOI is bigger (in terms of enplanements) than any other airport in Idaho,
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