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Bomb Scare On US Airways Express At PHL Now  
User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13516 times:

Flight from LGA to possibly SDF diverted to PHL due to passenger disturbance and bomb scare. Plane has landed, pax offloaded. One male in custody and Police K-9 and bomb squad is searching plane

http://cbs3.com/topstories/Bomb.Scare.philadelphia.2.1439780.html

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User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13519 times:

News is reporting it may be flight 3079 from LGA to SDF, opertated by Chautauqua.

User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13439 times:

The Fox station is PHL is reporting that a passenger had a box strapped to his head with wires coming from it and wrapped around his body. He began praying and other passengers alerted the flight crew and the plane was diverted to PHL. The passengers were offloaded and the suspicious passenger was taken into custody. The plane was searched by police and is taxiing to F Terminal.

User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13431 times:



Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 1):
News is reporting it may be flight 3079 from LGA to SDF, opertated by Chautauqua.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...9/history/20100121/1246Z/KLGA/KSDF

Flightware show that this flight was indeed diverted to PHL. Aircraft was one of the eight Chautauqua Embraer ERJ 145's flying for US Airways Express. Does anyone know the reg?

Tobias



PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13361 times:

It looks like N370SK.

User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13374 times:

The link in the OP has been updated. Now being described as a tefillin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tefillin


User currently offlineOriginalblis From Israel, joined Jan 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13361 times:

turns out the passenger was a religious jew who was using tefillin which are a set of small cubic leather boxes painted black, containing scrolls of parchment inscribed with verses from the Bible, with leather straps dyed black on one side, and worn by observant Jewish men during weekday morning prayers.


originalblis
User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13332 times:



Quoting Tharanga (Reply 5):
The link in the OP has been updated. Now being described as a tefillin

A Police spokesman just confirmed that as well. Passenger was a 17 year old Orthodox Jew, who was wearing the device and praying.


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13278 times:

Ah yes, very nice. I had the pleasure to be on board a Atlantic AA flight were this Tefillin was used throughout the flight, and those people using it were disturbing and annoying to the other passengers on board.


"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13266 times:

Quoting Originalblis (Reply 6):
turns out the passenger was a religious jew who was using tefillin

So obviously not a bomb scare at all. I may even understand passengers who are unaware of religious customs and get scared by someone with uncommon behavior (especially praying in a "could-be arabic language").
What puzzles me now is why this issue couldn't be solved on the plane, why did the flight had to be diverted at all? Why didn't the flight crew at least tried and got out that it was just a praying pax (quite common if you ask me) with a device which at least on the second glance does not look like a bomb at all?

Tobias

edit: replaced "strange" by "uncommon"

[Edited 2010-01-21 07:03:17]


PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13229 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 8):
and those people using it were disturbing and annoying to the other passengers on board.

What impact does it have on others? Why would it be annoying?


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13202 times:



Quoting Tharanga (Reply 10):
What impact does it have on others? Why would it be annoying?

It was discussed here and in the tripreports forum already. Prayers in the aisles and galleys, blocking lavatories for prayers, apart from starting discussions with crew about their seating and Kosher meals. That impacts indeed on others comfort on a flight.
I can imagine that IF other people do not know about a Tefillin and that religion, the whole person behaving in such a way can indeed be found a 'stranger'.



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13174 times:

I would have hoped that an Orthodox Jew with half a brain and ANY consideration for others, wishing to use 'tefillin' on any public transport would have had the decency to at least forewarn the cabin crew.

User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13170 times:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 11):
be found a 'stranger'.

So then it is enough for a plane to divert nowadays when pax are annoyed by a praying passenger or even be "strange in any sense"?

[Edited 2010-01-21 07:08:01]


PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13126 times:



Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 13):
So then it is enough for a plane to divert nowadays when pax are annoyed by a praying passenger?

I did not make that decision. I was not the captain on that flight.

Do you know the circumstances how this flight actually went? Maybe the crew tried to get the situation back to normal order. Maybe the praying person became upset? Maybe other passengers got unrule to the praying passenger? I don't know. Apparently the captain on that aircraft found the situation enough to divert.

I said also;

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 11):
I can imagine that IF other people do not know about a Tefillin and that religion,

Maybe even the crew was not aware of this. I think crew on international flights are better trained for different religions on their flights.



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13108 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 11):
It was discussed here and in the tripreports forum already. Prayers in the aisles and galleys, blocking lavatories for prayers, apart from starting discussions with crew about their seating and Kosher meals. That impacts indeed on others comfort on a flight.
I can imagine that IF other people do not know about a Tefillin and that religion, the whole person behaving in such a way can indeed be found a 'stranger'.

Those are all issues separate from the wearing of the tefillin itself. I'm specifically asking how this thing is annoying to others. You can block the aisles and lavs, whether you have something on your head or not.


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13109 times:



Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 13):
or even be "strange in any sense"?

I would think a rather larger proportion of the worlds population would find it 'strange' to see someone praying while having some kind of box strapped to their body.

Add into the mix it was aboard an aircraft, and with recent securit 'scares', yes I'm not surprised at all that there was a reaction.

Was this guy doing anything wrong? No. Could he have used a lot more common sense, oh yes.


User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13081 times:

The Police spokesman stated that the passenger tried explaining what the device was, but the Flight Attendant was not familiar with it and notified the flight crew, who was also unsure of the device and custom, and decided to divert and have the authorities investigate. The plane will be going on to SDF shortly, minus the passenger and his younger sister, who are being picked up by relatives and driven back to NYC.

User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13021 times:



Quoting Woof (Reply 16):
Could he have used a lot more common sense, oh yes.

The only thing I can find (from the information given up to now) is that he could have forewarned his fellow pax and crew. But (AFAIK) it is not forbidden to either pray, speak loudly or to strap anything to your head on a plane, so he of course just might not have seen that there was any need for an explanation. Furthermore, this explanation could be easily be given afterwards. As the original news was about a "bomb scare", I presume that the flight was not diverted because of any unruly passenger. So, once again I find it strange that a whole flight diverts just because of such a non-event.

Tobias



PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13021 times:



Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 17):
The Police spokesman stated that the passenger tried explaining what the device was, but the Flight Attendant was not familiar with it and notified the flight crew, who was also unsure of the device and custom, and decided to divert and have the authorities investigate. The plane will be going on to SDF shortly, minus the passenger and his younger sister, who are being picked up by relatives and driven back to NYC.

If these comments are true then I'll be moving to the 'over reaction' camp.


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12974 times:



Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 17):
The Police spokesman stated that the passenger tried explaining what the device was, but the Flight Attendant was not familiar with it and notified the flight crew, who was also unsure of the device and custom, and decided to divert and have the authorities investigate.

That clears up the situation on board a bit more at least, and exactly what I thought. Other people usually don't know about this belonging to a religion and their prayers.

Quoting Tharanga (Reply 15):
Those are all issues separate from the wearing of the tefillin itself. I'm specifically asking how this thing is annoying to others. You can block the aisles and lavs, whether you have something on your head or not.

On the flight I took, it is the whole situation together. First it's the noise about seating, then it's the noise about food. Then it's coming together in the galley during flight. Then it's putting a tefillin on their head and a large 'blanket' over their heads and praying in front of the toilets.

Is this normal. Maybe, maybe not. It is not common for most others on board, and that behaviour is found to be strange. Is this ok for you and can you imagine my explanation?



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineTonyban From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12801 times:

Education....intelligence....and a respect and recognition for other religions is what Americans in general need. This is almost silly and sad.

User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 12667 times:



Quoting Tonyban (Reply 21):
Education....intelligence....and a respect and recognition for other religions is what Americans in general need. This is almost silly and sad.

I respect everyone's religion. However, I am NOT going to waste MY time learning every little prayer, ritual, etc. about EVERY religion in the world so I can recognize it. I have NEVER heard of this before, never seen it happen before and yeah, I would be concerned.

That said, I would hope people of ANY religion use a little common sense when traveling and avoid any rituals, prayers, etc. that make look different to the general population.


User currently offlineJreuschl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 12642 times:

Couldn't the passenger just have done his prayer without strapping objects to himself? Shouldn't he realize that any kind of suspicious behavior (even if it was behavior that would only be questioned by someone that doesn't know about their religion) would cause a problem on a flight?

Or even delay the prayer?


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9736 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 12555 times:

Total lack of education and respect for other religions. Amon the 50 or so people aboard an E145 should have been at least one or two who could have been able to confrim that this is a Jewish religious practise and nothing dangerous. Hard to imagine that they had only "Einsteins" minus one on that flight.


Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
25 KGAIflyer : In our area, Orthodox Jews don't even get along with the Conservative and Reformed Jews who outnumber them 10 to 1 and who are part of our local commu
26 Post contains links and images Luv2cattlecall : I've got to say that I would be very suspect of someone wearing this, but you're right, I would actually try to figure out wtf is going on before div
27 Tharanga : Not really. I'm asking you to separate the tefillin itself from the rest of the whole situation. If a passenger puts on a tefellin and then minds his
28 Ushermittwoch : What really amazes me is that US did not get those kids on a flight to SDF after they were cleared by the cops. Absolutely amazing. This will get them
29 Airbuseric : That's exactly what he (and the others on that flight) didn't do. He strolled around the aisle with his tefillin on, was praying in front of emergenc
30 Toobz : Unreal. Why can't people just sit down buckle up shut up and be normal. I never cause a disturbance on board. I have no compassion. He should have pra
31 Metsfan1 : I am an Orthodox Jew (modern) and just to clear things up from an info perspective. To the poster who wanted to know why he couldn't pray without them
32 Airbuseric : Thank you for your view on it. I fully agree with your opinion. It would be good to see others with your religion would act in a similar way.
33 Warreng24 : Put yourself in the shoes of the Captain. You are busy flying the plane, manning the radio, etc... Think of the liability involved if you made the wr
34 FlyDeltaJets87 : Except the same people who say that in this country are the same ones who are the first ones to say "religious education does not belong in schools!"
35 Lufthansa411 : I don't consider myself a paranoid person at all, especially when flying. But you can't expect every passenger to recognise every special device and h
36 Richierich : Which makes me think, why wasn't the flight crew aware of this prayer box prior to departure? Surely the TSA caught it during their screening and mus
37 Metsfan1 : Just to respond to Airbuseric. Many of our religion do approach it this way. Unfortunately some don't and some don't get out much in the world beyond
38 Tharanga : I think that's an unrealistic expectation. It isn't the TSA's job to look for harmless items that might confuse or surprise the other pax and crew, a
39 777236ER : Yet another example of religion bringing chaos to the lives of normal people.
40 SolarFlyer22 : Yes, it is. This has happened on at least two other flights when Arabs in the USA caused a plane to divert and they too were wearing traditional garb
41 Tobias2702 : These flights were really just diverted because someone was wearing a non US-standard dress and speaking in a non-native language? I could understand
42 Tonyban : On second thoughts...I totally agree with you.
43 Rikkus67 : These are all valid points. I think this mostly has to do with life experience. Remember the passenger is only 17, and hasn't neccessarily been expos
44 Kaiarahi : Yeah, right. Go into the lav with a "little black box with wires attached" (other pax original description) and see what happens. Remember the second
45 Mir : Actually, I'd hope that they'd be telling their congregations to NOT pray in their seats, but rather to do what you did: That is the best approach to
46 Q120 : must of been "explosive" diarrhea....
47 Post contains links and images MoltenRock : Oh dear! How dare these people fly while being kind of like, but not really, but sorta, could be mistaken for, might be, but maybe not Muslims. Oh the
48 Toobz : more like a sign that reads: LEAVE YOUR RELIGION AT GATE
49 MoltenRock : Name it Atheist Airlines or Agnostic Airways? Or better yet Apathy Air, where the motto is, "Just sit back, relax, STFU, and we may or may not get to
50 Toobz : lol I wouldn't go that far. Obviously I respect the right to religion. But when your in the western society, I think a person should adapt to the env
51 Airplanenut : I think Metsfan1 did a great job explaining the situation, as well as answering some questions. I, too, am Orthodox, and have faced a similar situatio
52 Cpd : Exactly right. The crew did the right thing. Smart thinking.
53 Ushermittwoch : Sorry if this sounds weird, but this is an honest question out of pure interest. Does this strict ruling prohibit an orthodox Jew from travelling to
54 JFKMan : Things like this will continue to happen. We are all very gittery
55 Airplanenut : Not a weird question, and actually one that's been debated on long and hard. Some would certainly say not to go to those areas, but the generally pra
56 Post contains images Varigb707 : Is this what have caused the commotion on said flight. BTW i do not mean no disrespect to anyone's religious persuasion by posting this picture.
57 TheCommodore : The article I read in the Sydney morning Herald says that the passenger was "using the device". What does that mean, why would you need to use the de
58 Xdlx : After 25 years in the industry, I can tell you.... Very inteligent people, become stressed at the idea of mass air transportation, most of the passen
59 RP TPA : I was under the impression that with the orthodox Jews, the men have to be apart from the women during prayers. How would this work on a plane? What i
60 Rwessel : That's wrong. Most of the people who object to religious education in schools think unbiased, non-judgmental, and basically secular classes *about* t
61 Daysleeper : I cant get my head around what actually happened here. Watching the video on the OP’s link the Police Chief states that it was a member of the cabin
62 Airplanenut : That's true if you're in an established location for praying, such as a synagogue. In those places, the room will somehow be divided (a short wall, a
63 Ushermittwoch : Doesn't this rule belittle the faith of the people praying? Wouldn't one of (proclaimed) high faith be able to focus on his/her prayers anyway? This
64 Bond007 : Well, one still has a choice .. just as you may choose to follow a religion, or choose to take a flight. If you choose to follow a religion and feel
65 Mat66 : Never imagined to finally join this forum and pay my 25$ about this kind of topic. bare with the newbie but when I heart about the incident in a blink
66 Kaiarahi : Which he was. There's a very significant Orthodox Jewish community in New York who are not in any way visitors to "western society" - they've been th
67 Stratosphere : God kid you are getting on my nerves..Look it would be nice if we were all versed in all the religions around the world and their practices..However,
68 PRINAIR : I believe that the crew did the correct thing. Even after an explanation if you are not 100% sure or are not familiar then it is better to land. Bette
69 Daysleeper : Wow... When did that happen? I never knew. I’m surprised it wasn’t on the news. This is why so many people around the world have a problem with A
70 Acabgd : Imagine if you're travelling on Turkmenistan Air fiddling with your iPhone. Now a Turkmen F/A has never seen an iPhone and you seem really concentrat
71 Post contains images B727fan : Sounds like someone is paranoia! no pun intended! The simple fact is lack of cultural familiarity within our own society. If more of us Americans int
72 A380US : Personally as a religious Jew I have on many occasions prayed with tefilin on a/c. On not one ocasion have I notified the flight crew before hand. I
73 PGNCS : The flight was diverted because it was the decision of the Captain based on the information available to him that a security threat existed in the ca
74 MoltenRock : Sounds like you need to just drive then. But hey, I hear spending your last few years on Earth in your old age in prison is a real pleasure in the US
75 B707forever : I'm not sure if anyone has stated the obvious yet as I haven't read all the thread but how any fligvht attendant working NYC flights hasn't heard of p
76 Bond007 : I have been travelling through NYC airports thousands of times over the past 20 years (yes, literally, I took 110 flights last year, most through LGA
77 Stratosphere : Listen punk.. I can't believe the posts on here. I am all for liberty and freedom of religion but some religions have practices that are out of the n
78 Airplanenut : Even the most devout people are still human. There are a lot of ideal situations, but there are also ways to prevent a problem from possibly occurrin
79 Airplanenut : And what if you beat up a passenger who had informed and gotten the okay of the flight crew? Would you even think to ask them first, or would you jus
80 Milesrich : Leave it to Fox to report that Tefillen, phylacteries, a traditional Jewish prayer accessory was a bomb with wires coming out of it. I have flown to
81 MoltenRock : Likewise if I'm going to be killed by "radicals" they will likely look exactly like you. I'm far more likely to be killed or attacked by racist, igno
82 Milesrich : "Out of the norm," "Punk" - Some might think that making statues of some naked guy nailed to a cross and believing that story that his mother Mary wa
83 TheCommodore : The news report I've read and heard said nothing about a bomb ! They said that the crew became suspicious at his "loud prayers" and were concerned wh
84 MoltenRock : Sadly, I doubt it Milesrich. Blind devotion is usually just that...... blind to anything but very specific devotion to whichever preconceived ideas a
85 Pyrex : Another problem caused by superstitious people wearing their religion on their sleeves and expecting everybody to comform to them. Religion is a choic
86 Dc9northwest : Haha, you'd need a goat too! Try to get that past security!
87 MoltenRock : Have you seen some of the flight attendants recently?
88 Rikkus67 : PGNCS... Glad to see someone who takes the time to see both sides of this very intersting story.Welcome to my Respected Users list! Up here in this p
89 Airplanenut : I don't expect anyone to conform to me, I expect them to respect my religious beliefs, and in exchange I respect theirs, or their lack thereof. Regar
90 Post contains links FCA767 : I just woke up reading fresh news on yahoo...why does it still say bomb scare...man with wires...unkown...still...they should have updated that, rathe
91 TheCommodore : Not when they pray loudly, disturb and encroach on other passengers well being and their right to silence and enjoyment of the flight. Leave it at ho
92 Bond007 : Well, if shes an idiot because she didn't have a clue what he was doing, then that makes me an idiot too. Thousands of flights under my belt and neve
93 Motopolitico : Look up the Satmar Hasidim drug smuggling ring sometime. Drug smugglers used impressionable, corruptible young Hasidic men as mules. A yarmukle, bear
94 Elal772 : he's just a kid, probably not all that often on a plane. Welcome to America 2010! could any person on this flight have used a bit more common sence?
95 Kaiarahi : So if I understand correctly, the practices of Orthodox jews who have lived in the U.S. for generations are not "normal". I presume you would say the
96 Kaiarahi : Sounds just like drunk Australians to me. Let's ban them!
97 PanHAM : I am not Jewish but I lived in NY, Forest Hills where we had few Orthodox. Still, as a NY resident with open eyes and crossing into other borroughs s
98 Woof : Extravagant, really? Trying not to generalise too much, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that such a comment would come from someone who practices a
99 Pyrex : I am sorry if I offended your feelings. Oh, that's right, I don't give a crap about religious/superstitious "sensitivities" (don't feel bad about it,
100 ELAL772 : this is 100% offensive. You're trying to offend, whereas an orthodox jewish man praying, as annoying as it may be to others, isn't trying to offend,
101 ELAL772 : that's not for you to decide. Who are you to tell someone not to pray, especially if it's an American who is in his own country. I am not saying that
102 Mat66 : Of course a terrorist can disguise as an orthodox Jew and and there is a chance of Jewish suicide bombers. By exaggerating I tried to underline my po
103 Bond007 : Franky, the person that SHOULD have used his brain and common sense was the Jewish guy 'praying' ... it seems everyone else was a dumb idiot except t
104 Airplanenut : Yes, they should be quiet when on a plane. But so should lots of other passengers who have a knack for being loud and disruptive for whatever reason.
105 ManuCH : This thread has veered off-topic and is now going round in circles. Originally it was about the bomb scare on US Airways Express - now it's about whet
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