CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2814 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12354 times:
According to Air Fleets, CO has 43 739s and 117 738s or 739s being 36% of the 738/739 total fleet. The additions you show have 33% 739 of the total 737NG additions. Maybe CO like the percentage of about 1/3 739s of the combined 738/739 fleet.
I would think 739ERs wouldn't cost that much extra and provide more seats at a lower ASM cost. Of course, you need to figure in purchase cost, landing fees and fuel burn vs. the added revenue potential.
As of Dec 31st 2009, CO had four 77Es ordered, two of which, as the OP confirms, are scheduled for 2010 delivery. Given the fleet plan in the OP, it certainly looks likely that CO may cancel the latter two 77Es for 787s. CO have canceled four 77Es during 2009.
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EA772LR From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11951 times:
Quoting Captaink (Reply 8): Good to see they will have a home. Seems like CO is loving these 753s.
They do, especially now that they're receiving winglets on them. The 753 has the best CASM in it's seat class. It seats about what a 763/A300 does and weighs a lot less cost a hell of a lot less to operate. Only problem with the 753 is deplaning...
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Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11905 times:
Sad to hear about the 77E cancellations... those birds could definitely be used.
On the flip side, having 6 new 788s in the fleet by the end of 2011 will be great. I'm assuming these birds will first fly the EWR-IAH-LAX proving runs, and then move onto opening up new longer range routes.
Hopefully we'll see them in IAH to expand into Asia... I could definitely see IAH-PVG or IAH-PEK working with connections through Air China and *A.
N7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1776 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11642 times:
Quoting EA772LR (Reply 7): These are the late ATA birds I believe. I think ATA's are ETOPS as well.
Affirmative. Continental is taking the remaining (4) ATA Boeing 757-300's stored at Victorville for nearly two years. One or two is/are already in the fleet. I believe one is in the process of being refurbished in Asia, leaving one more still stored at VCV. My information could be a few weeks or month behind. Continental will operate all 12 ATA 753's.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16990 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11441 times:
Quoting N7371f (Reply 14): Affirmative. Continental is taking the remaining (4) ATA Boeing 757-300's stored at Victorville for nearly two years. One or two is/are already in the fleet. I believe one is in the process of being refurbished in Asia, leaving one more still stored at VCV. My information could be a few weeks or month behind. Continental will operate all 12 ATA 753's.
1 already joined the fleet, the 2nd is about to join the fleet any day now. The third had an engine shut down on departure the other day from Guam on it's way to Hong Kong for conversion.
CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2489 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11271 times:
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 16): so with two 777 coming on board this year, what can we expect CO to do with them?
The two new 777s coming in will allow CO to add some much-needed capacity in longhaul markets this spring/summer. In addition to IAH-FRA going 777 (which is happening), I wouldn't be shocked to see at least some of the following:
EWR-BRU back to 777
perhaps one South American route to 777 (pick IAH-GIG/GRU/EZE)
2nd EWR-FCO frequency (CO42/43) to 764 from 762
EWR-TXL/BCN to 762
LAX-HNL back to 752 or 753
4th EWR-LHR frequency with 752 (seasonal to cover for loss of CLE-LHR)
EWR/IAH-GRU to 764
At present, CO will have 43 peak-day flights from the US to Europe, including TLV, with 38 from EWR and 5 from IAH.
FUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11115 times:
Quoting Comorin (Reply 18): I keep hearing rumors from CO cabin crew that there may be a nonstop EWR-BLR soon. Do any of these deliveries indicate that?
CO uses their a/c very wisely. The routes would have to fully use 2 a/c or be paired (like NRT>EWR>LHR). CO said deep India routes were the plan initially, followed by S. Pacific. With only six a/c and the substitution issues, I'd guess they'd only start two route that are using 2 a/c like EWR>BLR and a couple of routes that a 772 could sub for until they get the teething worked out. Deep India makes sense due to the timing of the deliveries in Q3/Q4 and the seasonal spike of those routes.
LACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4113 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10749 times:
Quoting EA772LR (Reply 10): They do, especially now that they're receiving winglets on them. The 753 has the best CASM in it's seat class. It seats about what a 763/A300 does and weighs a lot less cost a hell of a lot less to operate. Only problem with the 753 is deplaning
I agree! The 753s are great a/c to use stairs vs. jetways to deplane. I can't imagine what it's like to sit in a fully loaded one in the very back!
I was surpised with the amount of power the 753 has when I flew it a couple of times on IAH-LAX. It seemed to be just a powerful as the 75Ws.
Will we see a/c upgauges to more Star Alliance hubs in Europe? I.e., ZRH?
What are passengers impressions of flying the 75W on EWR-LHR? I've been very interested to know considering all the competition flies much larger equipment.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11465 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10060 times:
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Quoting CODC10 (Reply 17): perhaps one South American route to 777 (pick IAH-GIG/GRU/EZE
Considering that now the sole 764 route is IAH-GIG and is rotate with FRA-IAH (in general IAH-GIG uses the 764 from FRA) i would bet IAH-GIG could become 772 (it's oil to oil market, much more interesting) and we can see IAH-EZE or even EWR-GRU become EWR-GRU-GIG with B764, or even 2 routes to Europe that uses B762 being upgrade to B764.
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: I doubt that will happen since they moved out of skyteam they will have minimal connections now with AF. I can see a 777 from IAH-FRA however with th
: It's already in the schedule, effective 6/1 - 9/15.
: even though there is no codeshare, doesn't mean that we can't fly a 777......it can still work.
: Nobody applied for the 28 frequencies that become available in less than two months; another 14 next March; and yet another 14 free frequencies March
: responded incorrectly. didn't mean to say that in 2011 CO will be flying new China routes, just indicating those might be some of the new destination
: Delta has only dropped two slots. Slot 2 and 3. The next slot, 22, is still Delta's. I don't believe CO wants any of the "fat" planes.
: Will this make CO the first North American operator of the 787? CO placed its 787 order in late 2004 (during the last days of Bethune's leadership),
: When I was a student in Florida, the "proving routes" for new aircraft like 764 and 753 were IAH-MCO. Will the 787 be the same way for a few months?
: Well if flying in Y, there's not gonna be a noticeable difference in flying the 752 vs. a wide body in Y, other than the obvious much smaller cabin.
: Why waste a 777 on IAH-CDG when it can be put on a better utilized, more profitable route? Just my 0.02
: That's very true. I was just thinking of what their competition offers and comfort wise, I think we all can agree, we apreciate the space a widebody
: how do we know that IAH-CDG isn't a profitable route for CO???
: Here's the routes that I believe if CO had the additional frames would be flying 777-200ERs; EWR-BRU, EWR-FRA, EWR-CDG, IAH-CDG, IAH-FRA.
: IAH-GIG is a real success ! CO should use these new aircraft to enter African market. Who knows , IAH-LOS can be a huge, high-yielding market PS: My f
: I know, I was just pointing out how it will be very easy to grab new China routes. It will basically turn into "apply and approve" in 1-1.5 months ab
: What about IAH-LAD to launch regular flights oil to oil market! Welcome to A.net ! All of them are 764 routes now ?
: I agree with Shaq, CO should start IAH-LOS and I guarentee that will be a huge money maker !!! Just my 0.02
: not to be off topic but what about delta 787-9 did they cancel them officially
: I still wonder if IAH-DXB is placed high on the wish list or will they allow EK to be the main carrier once the 788s arrive in the CO fleet.
: How about the used 777-200 thread that was out there several months ago. 4 777-200s (non- ER would be OK) for IAH-HNL, HNL-GUM and maybe HNL=EWR & HN
: That is good information, thank you. Where is CO getting the 757-300s from, I thought that Boeing did not make the 757s any more? laxboeingman
: ATA birds that have been sitting idle.
: If they had done this, I wonder if those 772s would only have BF between doors 1 and 2, as well as expanding the BF section between doors 1 and 2 in
: One would think they would have a Pacific configuration (fewer BF/more Y) on those 777s and standardize the 764s to the majority of which have a Euro
: With my doubts about the 787, I'd say my version of the ideal proving run would be IAH-HOU. Just my cent...
: Yes. DL has not ordered the 787-9, they have 787-8 on the books. You would need them for GUM-NRT 2x daily, GUM-HNL and GUM-IAH.