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Rumor: EI To Join Star Alliance  
User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 761 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16227 times:

Heard a rumour from a source within the airline that Aer Lingus is looking to join Star Alliance. Would make sense with the codeshare with UA and the reduction of BMI service between LHR/DUB.

Anyone else heard anything?

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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16182 times:

I doubt that LH will allow a low cost carrier into *.


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27308 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16107 times:



Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 1):
I doubt that LH will allow a low cost carrier into *.

If they re introduce J class on certain routes as rumoured then they are the same as SK . One might argue that BMI is LCC now they have axed J class on many routes.


User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16106 times:



Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 1):
I doubt that LH will allow a low cost carrier into *.

In that case, they should throw out SK asap.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4944 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15997 times:
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Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 1):
I doubt that LH will allow a low cost carrier into *.

But how low cost is EI really? Comparable with Ryanair or Easyjet? I guess LH can live with this move as it also could have some benefits for LH (and the other partners in *-Alliance)


User currently offlinePtugarin From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15980 times:



Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 3):
In that case, they should throw out SK asap.

And US  Smile

Actually, with with AI being the second B6 international partner and LH now code sharing with B6, it would make the situation more symmetrical if AI was also in *.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15949 times:



Quoting EPA001 (Reply 4):
as it also could have some benefits for LH (and the other partners in *-Alliance)

And these are... what exactly?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15951 times:

I see no benefits to either EI or the Star Alliance from EI membership. Just meeds added costs to EI which seem contrary to their current LCC business model. Seems much easier to just make targeted codeshare agreements where it makes sense.

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15950 times:



Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 1):
I doubt that LH will allow a low cost carrier into *.

B6 has publicly stated that they are interested in joining an alliance, with *A being the most likely, so I doubt LH would block them for that reason. I have had a feeling that EI was moving in that direction, particularly after the UA partnership.

If EI does join, I wonder how much influence that would have on B6 joining.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15832 times:



Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 1):
I doubt that LH will allow a low cost carrier into *.

BMI is effectively a LCC on short haul.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27308 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15777 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
I see no benefits to either EI or the Star Alliance from EI membership.

I do . Many have said that EI leaving Oneworld was not a good idea. They need to be in a major Alliance once again and gain from more codeshares and bring back J class on key routes. Many Business travellers are already switching to EI after BMI's recent announcement and many have said that if EI join Star and they can earn and burn on EI then they will also jump ship. BMI will be the one to loose out of the Irish market North and South if this goes ahead.

EI already serves Star hubs LHR ZRH FRA MUC etc.. so it makes sense. They also have some decent slots.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15748 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):

Okey, I understand the benefits to EI of being in A* (or any alliance for that matter) and I agree. But hwere are the benefits to A*?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27308 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15652 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 11):
But hwere are the benefits to A*?

Well obviously EI will gain more than Star will but then Star gets a bigger chunk of Irish traffic and more connectors to Star hubs. Take ZRH for example Swiss will not go double daily AFAIK and EI could provide another 2nd connecter and as their flight leaves ZRH at 1535 back to DUB thus getting a whole new range of LX routes. The LX daily at 09:20 is way too early for many flights. Personally Id still prefer Swiss  Wink but for your T class pax then EI is ok  Big grin

For the Irish market DUB-CDG / DUB-VIE / DUB-WAW / DUB-AMS are all possibilities for connections . A3 could get a Codeshare on the ATH route.

These are all dreams at the moment but not impossible.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15654 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
I see no benefits to either EI or the Star Alliance from EI membership.

I do . Many have said that EI leaving Oneworld was not a good idea. They need to be in a major Alliance once again and gain from more codeshares and bring back J class on key routes. Many Business travellers are already switching to EI after BMI's recent announcement and many have said that if EI join Star and they can earn and burn on EI then they will also jump ship. BMI will be the one to loose out of the Irish market North and South if this goes ahead.

EI already serves Star hubs LHR ZRH FRA MUC etc.. so it makes sense. They also have some decent slots.

But there are many added costs to carry interline connecting traffic, and you are only getting part of the revenue. The question is whether they can increase their yields enough to offset those costs, vs. carrying primarily point-to-point online traffic. For example, on an interline connection DUB-FRA-NRT, is the revenue from the prorate on the DUB-ZRH sector of the through fare going to be higher than their current average point-to-point fare on that route? In many cases, shorthaul prorates on interline fares are very low. And it would have to be higher to offset the accounting costs and all the other costs of alliance membership, for example providng seats for frequent flyer redemption seats that they could otherwise sell.


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15591 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 11):
Okey, I understand the benefits to EI of being in A* (or any alliance for that matter) and I agree. But hwere are the benefits to A*?

Potentially quite large. BA earns 10% of global revenues from Ireland despite the fact it no longer flies here, instead codesharing with EI. That is long haul feed from ireland that could be as easily be going on star alliance. LH and LX already get many connections off their DUB services, and there is potential for lots more.

Additionally, EI holds LHR slots. Lots of them. It will give star opportunities to play around with their combined slot portfolio to enhance their LHR offering.

CO, US, AC, LH, SK, BD, TK, LX, OS etc etc will lose a competitor in Ireland and gain a partner.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5300 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15562 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
If they re introduce J class on certain routes as rumoured then they are the same as SK

J class shorthaul is almost gone everywhere. I don't think that will be the problem to join star. Question is will Ryanair allow it, owning a large part of EI.


User currently offlineLX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15533 times:

Well according to United, they thought EI were actually joining Star!:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/ai...ill-aer-lingus-and-hawaiian-j.html

Not sure about the Hawaiian bit, but EI are still saying 'no alliance plans'.

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27308 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15509 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
, is the revenue from the prorate on the DUB-ZRH sector of the through fare going to be higher than

To be honest the sector payment from Nett fares and published fares is not that different than fares point to point on EI.com

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 15):
Potentially quite large. BA earns 10% of global revenues from Ireland despite the fact it no longer flies here, instead codesharing with EI



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 15):
Additionally, EI holds LHR slots. Lots of them.

Very true. The effect on EI in Star would be a massive carrott to Irish high yield travellers and others. It opens a huge door and network bigger then One World ever offered.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15348 times:



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 15):
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 11):
Okey, I understand the benefits to EI of being in A* (or any alliance for that matter) and I agree. But hwere are the benefits to A*?

Potentially quite large. BA earns 10% of global revenues from Ireland despite the fact it no longer flies here, instead codesharing with EI. That is long haul feed from ireland that could be as easily be going on star alliance. LH and LX already get many connections off their DUB services, and there is potential for lots more.

Wouldn't BA return to DUB if EI joined *A, I presume the BA connecting business is also a massive amount of EI's business which would then be under threat. Would all those current customers happily using BA for their long haul travel, really follow EI to FRA?



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User currently offlineEvomutant From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15348 times:

It would be interesting. It would surely force BA back to Dublin, which is no bad thing, they can't afford to lose the Irish feed they get into LHR. Would certainly shake things up.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8499 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15266 times:
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Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 19):
Wouldn't BA return to DUB if EI joined *A, I presume the BA connecting business is also a massive amount of EI's business which would then be under threat. Would all those current customers happily using BA for their long haul travel, really follow EI to FRA?

Why doesn't BA just buy Aer Lingus ? EI is a feeder for BA long haul except for Boston and JFK.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 19):
It would be interesting. It would surely force BA back to Dublin, which is no bad thing, they can't afford to lose the Irish feed they get into LHR. Would certainly shake things up.

How many slots could BA find if it came to that ? Another solution would be for AA to fly from BOS and JFK to Ireland. AA already flies from Chicago to Ireland.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15159 times:

That would potentially screw up BAA's plans for T3 pier 5. They were going to rejig thinks to allow for a domestic concourse for EI. Wonder if, they'll be glad at not having the expense?

Really, what's happening at OneWorld? They've lost JAL, they're may lose EI. They'd better be careful.

By the time LHR T2 opens, it may not be big enough for Galaxy Alliance.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27308 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15124 times:



Quoting LX138 (Reply 17):
Well according to United, they thought EI were actually joining Star!:

Thats an old article and alot changed since then .

Quoting Glom (Reply 22):
they're may lose EI

They left a long time ago . Oneworld has got less appealing as each year goes on. I left them a good few years ago as an Elite member.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15099 times:

Wait a minute? EI isn't in OneWorld. Why did no-one tell me?

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27308 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15061 times:



Quoting Glom (Reply 24):
Wait a minute? EI isn't in OneWorld. Why did no-one tell me?

31st May 2006

Aer Lingus to leave oneworld Alliance
DUBLIN (AFP) — Irish state airline Aer Lingus, on course for privatization, announced on Tuesday its departure from the oneworld Alliance grouping, as it concentrates on becoming a no-frills operation

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...006-05-31-aerlingus-oneworld_x.htm


25 Glom : Well all that cosying up to BA. It was bound to fool anyone.
26 OA260 : Yes they still kept agreements for earning and burning miles on eachother and other Oneworld airlines ( CX/QF ) and the BA codeshares , they were a u
27 Shamrock350 : Since that date Aer Lingus has seen a CEO depart and two other senior management leave the airline and it's strongly believed that the new CEO, Chris
28 BOStonsox : Interestingly enough, the article had the same thought I had- UA was partnered with LH, who then partnered with B6, who was already partnered with EI
29 LX138 : Yeah, wasn't he keen on getting back into Oneworld? I do however get the impression that the integration costs of joining them are far greater than t
30 VC10er : Aer Lingus has no business class seats across the Atlantic?
31 Post contains images OA260 : Yes they still have Business Class Flatbeds.
32 Post contains links Gosimeon : They do indeed (see below). They have no business class seats on intra-EU flights. http://www.aerlingus.com/cgi-bin/obe...gory=3&P_OID=-8077&C_OID=53
33 DTWLAX : AI is joining Star later this year
34 BOStonsox : He was mistaken. He meant EI. B6 doesn't have a deal with AI (not for now, anyway).
35 VC10er : Thanks, I was in that seat a few times. I thought it would have been odd to remove them !
36 Glom : How much bigger can Galaxy Alliance get? They'll soon start building their own airports.
37 MadameConcorde : It would not make much sense to have EI as a part of Star Alliance. What is the point? I hope this will remain a rumour. They should pick Etihad inste
38 Clydenairways : This whole rumour has mushroomed from a single unsubstanciated remark made by somone on another forum. A review of this persons previous (Only 10) pos
39 EagleBoy : You would think that BA would be trying to keep EI close to protect the amount of traffic EI sent their way at LHR. No need to have them in O/W, the
40 Conti764 : Don't know how the situation is right now, but didn't someone within the alliance once say both AI and 9W could join Star Alliance since the Indian m
41 Wexfordflyer : Very true, I'm quite sure BA would not want EI to join Star, but would they really be able to do anything to stop them??
42 Shamrock604 : Indeed. But BA can always return to DUB. I think we'd all welcome the competition. Ireland is not "domestic" to the United Kingdom. Its a different c
43 Glom : It's "domestic" as far as airport operations are concerned. Procedurally, flying EI LHR-DUB is the same as flying BD LHR-ABZ. Intra-CTA concourse wou
44 Airbazar : I think people are once again confusing "Low Cost" with "No Frills". EI is no LCC. Just because they have no J class product doesn't make them a LCC.
45 KGAIflyer : So the rumor has rationality even if it's only a rumor. There might also be additional United codesharing opportunities as their international fleet
46 COEI2007 : EI arent a typical low cost carrier. They operate as more of a low fares airline. They have a ffp, full service long-haul and code-share/interline LH
47 EI320 : I'd expect the BA codeshare to remain on LHR services even if EI join *A. There's no reason why EI or BA would want to drop it. When they were in one
48 COEI2007 : Good point. I wonder would the KL code-share remain, or would EI focus on transfers at FRA, MUC, ZRH etc. Also, if RE are taking over some UK routes,
49 Spud757 : If EI went to *A what would be the case for BA and BE to enter into a new arrangement, after all BE is part owned by BA and already operate code share
50 EI320 : The codeshare with KL goes back years and seems to work well for EI. Although since AMS competes closely with Star hubs like FRA, MUC etc for connect
51 Gpbcroppers63 : Ooh. Sounds interesting. Hopefully they'll put on a good network now that FR have all but pulled out.
52 EI320 : Don't be expecting much. Mueller still wants 75% of SNN based cabin crew cut. We should find out what exactly EI intends to operate out of SNN for th
53 Gpbcroppers63 : I'm not expecting too much but since FR have pulled most of the routes useful to me (SNN-BRS being the main one and the times are dreadful even befor
54 AmricanShamrok : Maybe they could use DUB crew for some flights. For example they could do a handy DUB-MAN-SNN-MAN-DUB, demand would be surely there for this route af
55 EI320 : The demand is there for a route to NW England, hopefully some airline will fill this gaping gap in the network in the near future. Had to trek all th
56 AirNz : I'm curious to know what each of your opinions are on the definition of an LCC, because BMI certainly doesn't fit the accepted industry 'standard' of
57 OA260 : I guess its a perception. Now as I said some might argue they are , personally I think they are somewhere in between trying to be everything to every
58 Shamrock350 : To be fair I'm not even sure BMI know what they are, I agree that removing J class hardly makes them a fully fledged LCC but it is a step in that dir
59 LX138 : Recent days? People have been confused for Years!
60 OA260 : Its all the chopping and changing thats damaged them. A mate said yesterday ''do you remember when they flew LHR-BOM?''. I totally forgot about that.
61 ClassicLover : Aer Lingus still participate in one of the oneworld around the world products - I think Global Explorer. Well, I doubt it would cost all that much si
62 BestWestern : This is based on some really bad rumour from pprune - which is not the most reliable of places to start with. Secondly - have a look at the previous r
63 EI320 : Whether this rumour is true or not, we do know that Mueller is keen to increase the focus on alliances going forward (whether this involves new bilat
64 BestWestern : It doesnt add substance to the rumour though - it shows how stupid the rumour is. And it could quite easily be a fact that EI join an alliance, inclu
65 Shamrock604 : No doubt about it, star has logic for EI... but a two month lead in time is pretty insane...perhaps not impossible, but certainly very difficult. Int
66 OA260 : Is that just feeder flights or can you use Transatlantic also? I ask this because when EI had DUB-LAX they wouldnt allow it on RTW DUB-LAX (EI) - LAX
67 AirNz : I wouldn't disagree with you in assuming BMI not being sure what they are, although I certainly don't see removal of a J product as definitively bein
68 BrianDromey : I think the sponsoring carrier would be UA. EI could potentially bring UA feed into ORD and IAD (if they ever serve IAD again) and on the west coast.
69 ClassicLover : I think it's all EI flights I am surprised they wouldn't allow that to be honest... maybe there was just no availability when you were going?
70 OA260 : It was in the rules back then for sure so it must have changed although there is no LAX now of course. Well for me Im also influenced as a BMI Gold c
71 BestWestern : I agree - and in no aspect are Bmi a 'low cost carrier' - they have amongst the highest seat costs in the UK, and their 'full' service offering wasnt
72 EagleBoy : I thought this myself. Even if LH wanted to use the BD slot,I can't see them doing it for a potential member of Star. But then again there are 3 alli
73 Post contains links BestWestern : As expected - this rumour was bogus http://www.independent.ie/business/i...to-rejoin-an-alliance-2031324.html Aer Lingus chairman Colm Barrington has
74 Pagophilus : All I can say is that if EI want to join Star, they better get themselves a decent frequent flyer program. You can only cut back so much before the de
75 Post contains images Spud757 : Bring back BD routes ex MAN and there's the opportunity for *A hub in the UK
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