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How Did This 747 Keep From Going Completely Over?  
User currently offlineLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2290 posts, RR: 3
Posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

What a great pic!!

Isn't he in a bit MORE of a right turn than is usual on the famous runway 13 approach?

Anyway.......it's a fabulous shot, got to admit!!!  Big thumbs up


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Photo © André Kröcher





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User currently offlineSJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

"Damnit Chaques.... what did I tell you about having wine with your inflight meal......."

User currently offlineSJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

Well that really runied the joke. Chaques should be Jacques or something... man I'm taking French 4AP next year, that ain't a good sign.

User currently offlineLGB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

What I find even more interesting about that "photo" is that apparently either the Hong Kong sky is black during the day or the photographer was using one h--l of a flash...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Lars


User currently offlineLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2290 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Pretty good there SAN JOSE!!!!!!

It looks like he had QUITE a bit too much, huh?

I don't know....maybe this angle is misleading. Perhaps the camera is tilted to make it look sharper than it is. What do you say?

??????????


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Possibly the pilot still thinks he is flying Mirages... But I would wager that while the bank angle may be slightly higher than normal perspective is fooling with you. The photographer distance-wise is probably fairly close to the plane so he is looking up at it, and secondly b/c the plane is only about halfway through the turn helps to throw it off a bit. I'd sure as hell hope not the plane was pulling a 45° bank.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineSJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

I don't think the shot is misleading... but talk about items in the overhead bins shifting during the flight........

User currently offlineLGB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Are you guys serious? Seems quite obvious that someone took the trouble of replacing all background pixels with black ones. What makes you think they didn't use the "rotate image" function as well in their image manipulation software? Surprised that "photo" was accepted by a.net...

Lars


User currently offlineLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2290 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

I disagree. I don't think any "pixels" have been re-done.

It's just a hell of a storm coming up!

Wish Andre (the photog) could tell us.

Anyway, WHAT A RIDE!!!


User currently offlineLGB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Hmmm... Looking at it again on a different monitor it doesn't look all black. Earlier today everything but the plane looked totally black. Sorry about that, I'll have my other monitor checked. Still a bit strange though that the plane is so well lit...

Lars


User currently offline757PF From United States of America, joined May 2001, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Pretty cool pic!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

I've saw some bad things at Kai Tak but this just looks odd. It may be the angle or something but it just does not look correct.

This topic has been talked about and I dont remember Andre giving any info.


User currently offlineLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2290 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Wow! What a turn!

Does look a bit odd indeed!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineRapo From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

As far as the dark background goes, have you ever been in a sunlit area as a storm approaches? The clouds take on a black like shade such as in the picture. The plane is merely still in the sun light.

rapo


User currently offlineBA747-436 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1259 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

If you get the inlarged version of the picture and look closley at the wing, you will see that the.... o s**t i've totaly forgoten what they are called, you know the things you use to chage the direction of the aircraft. Anyway they are both pretty much flush with the wing. On such a sharp turn one side would be way down, while the other would be high up. Do you know what i mean? Otherwise how would the aircraft do such a sharp turn?
Think about it.
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy
It's common sense realy. I think they might be called Airolons or something.
What do you think about this therory?
Dan



Dan Valentine - Bad Ass MOFO Photographer
User currently offlineJean leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

BA, if he was starting to decrease the turn angle then I think the ailerons would not need to be in a position causing him to roll right.. they could be in the midst of moving to the opposite position, maybe? Anyway, this one's cool too... not as steep, but pretty!


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Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

When executing a turn in any aircraft, you move the controls until you get to the desired bank and then bring the controls back to center. Once you have the aircraft on the heading you want (actually a bit before) you move the controls in the opposite direction to bring the aircraft back to 0 degree bank.

User currently offlineBA747-436 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1259 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Yeah i know this, but what i was trying to say was that maybe if he was in the middle of executing the turn, then the aerolons should be up and down respectivly.
Maybe he has got the angle he wanted and is back at centre aerolons, who knows!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
regrds
Dan



Dan Valentine - Bad Ass MOFO Photographer
User currently offlineB747-436 From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Nice shot, i can't see that it has been manipulated in any way. You can see the sun reflecting in the cockpit window and there are definetely storm clouds in the background, most likely it is a small storm cloud and they are still in the distance while the photographer snaps this shot in the sun!

BA All the Way!


User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

The reason this airplane is not falling out of the sky is called horizontal lift...

Boeing727


User currently offlineGOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Nice shot, but these turns where not unusual at Kai Tak, where they?

GOT



Just like birdwatching - without having to be so damned quiet!
User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Nice Canadi>n shot as well. And please take note of the raised left wing ailerons (inboard and outboard) and spoilers. He's coming *out* of his right turn.


You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

The turn in to Kai Tak was tight and, particularly in stormy weather such as depicted, could be "over cooked" a little.

The aircraft was presumably comparatively light on fuel and the 747 is extremely agile - always surprises people just how the big bird can turn around the sky.

As to aileron position, the outboard ailerons move very little for even a quite steep angle of bank and the inboard "high speed" ailerons would be assisting the turn - they are located well inboard on each wing and are not visible on the shot.

On the Canadian 747 the rhomboid shaped "spoiler" between the two flaps on the left wing is the inboard aileron.


User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

1. Had to expedite to miss a Cathay 744
2. Someone took over the cockpit
3. Was on Autopilot Heading


User currently offlineAA7771stClass From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 296 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Thanks PhilB on the correct ailerons. A second example can be found in the enlarged picture...it looks as if the rudder is turned to the right a bit. It could be only in my eyes but it seems like it's cricked a little bit to the right...maybe!?!?

25 PhilB : I would imagine such a turn would need a little assistance from the rear end!
26 Post contains images Sabenapilot : I've told you before: French speaking pilots are the best! Fly: Air France, Sabena, Air Canada, Swissair etc.
27 SJC>SFO : Madammes et Monsieurs, ferment s'il vous plaît vos yeux avant l'arrive. Ceci peut faire les personnes dans la première classe retourne l'Escargo que
28 Post contains links and images Hkgspotter1 : THAT IS NOT A STORM. A storm is when you cant see the runway or the planes !!, I spent many days at Kai Tak in such weather. This photo still looks ve
29 FDXmech : The ailerons should be doing as the "pilot flying" needs them to do at any particular moment. Obviously the Canadi>n and KAL 747's are rolling out of
30 PhilB : The ailerons look to be neutral (but only on the evidence of the extreme edge of the port wing as the trailing edge of the starboard wing cannot be se
31 Post contains images 757PF :
32 Qantas737 : Ailerons dont necessarily have to be having a lot of movement so that the aircraft turns, not at that point in the turn i mean. If you keep the ailero
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