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DL/KLM JV At AMS And Cities They Choose To Serve?  
User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

Hey Everybody,

Another DL related thread that I thought might be fun. I was on wikipedia and looking at the Delta Amsterdam hub and the cities they fly to. KLM obviously flies to more cities than DL by a ton but in terms of flying to the continental US Delta flies to certain cities that KLM doesn't and vice versa. DL flies to mainly their hub cities (and former NW hub cities) such as ATL, MSP, DTW but in addition flies their own 767 metal to EWR, PDX, MEM, SEA, BOS, and Mumbai. KLM flies to a lot more including ORD, IAH, DFW, SFO and IAD to name a few. Both KLM and DL fly to ATL and as of March will both also fly to JFK.

My question is with the joint venture agreement in place which airline decides on which destinations to fly to? Is it out of preference or possibly on a yearly rotational basis? If DL flies to say EWR and PDX on their own metal why wouldn't they also try out IAD or ORD as well (and vise versa with KLM?) I know in the past KLM and NW have switched off over the years at say MEM usually on a seasonal basis.

I guess this thread would also apply to DL and AF joint venture at CDG. There was a thread on this about a month ago but with only a few replies. Have fun!

--Tommy


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5132 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Do DL and KL have a JV? I know KL and NW have, but has the new combined company the same rights?

User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3463 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Do DL and KL have a JV? I know KL and NW have, but has the new combined company the same rights?

err...shoot maybe not. but the codeshare is very intense at that.



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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2190 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3424 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Do DL and KL have a JV? I know KL and NW have, but has the new combined company the same rights?

Yes of course they do.

Quoting Tommy767 (Thread starter):
but in addition flies their own 767 metal to EWR, PDX, MEM, SEA, BOS, and Mumbai.

Half of those are flown with 330s.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

The flights from AMS to all Canadian cities and MEX are also covered by the joint venture.

User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2190 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3385 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 4):
The flights from AMS to all Canadian cities and MEX are also covered by the joint venture.

More info on the JV here:

http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/al...ir-france-klm-and-delta-air-lines/


User currently offlinePeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

It's probably mainly based on equipment size (market demand), availability and efficiency.

Also, I believe one of the reasons AF and DL agreed to just let AF do the JFK-CDG route is for product consistency and "product superiority" reasons. Not sure if I articulated that correctly   

Certain routes could be"status/prestige" related. I think AF/KLM would probably like to hang on to their LAX routes for instance.

Overal, there are many different factors at play here.

[Edited 2010-01-21 14:50:48]


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5132 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3319 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 4):
The flights from AMS to all Canadian cities and MEX are also covered by the joint venture.

What has KLM to win here? DL for instance can't fly from MEX or Canada to AMS.


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