Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Cargolux B744F Serious Landing Incident At LUX  
User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13002 times:

Hi,

apparently a serious incident for Cargolux on landing at LUX today. Seeing the weather on it's arrival time, it must have been a CAT2 approach. The landing B747-400F had contact with a vehicle which was on the active runway, on which it was cleared to land.

http://avherald.com/h?article=42620150&opt=0

This is really serious in my opinion. Somebody made a huge error causing this today.


"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12955 times:

It's a good thing nobody was seriously hurt. That could have turned out a lot worse

User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12333 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12916 times:

Pretty damn close.

I bet that van driver is pretty traumatized right now.



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12874 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
Pretty damn close.

I bet that van driver is pretty traumatized right now.

Probably an airport vehicle doing a periodic runway check. I did one once (and took the photo below). On my run, it was tightly coordinated from the control tower. Somebody got careless.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Charles Falk




Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2489 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12808 times:

Wow - that van driver had to be scared s***less  Wow!

Glad no one was hurt - could have ended badly. Will be interesting to see pictures of the van if they get posted. Taking a hit from a 744 landing gear traveling at better than 100 mph had to leave more than just a scratch!


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2686 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12758 times:

Reminds me pretty much about the Tarom B 737 accident in Bucharest one or two years ago, shortly after Christmas. Just that it happened during take-off - not during landing.
Side note: I just learned that the remainings of YR-BGC will become a cabin simulator:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Stefan Sonnenberg
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Stefan Sonnenberg



User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2686 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12110 times:

It seems as if the B 744F "only" touched the van. According to aero.de only one tire of the B 744 had to be replaced. Nevertheless....
Source: http://www.aero.de/news-9580/Cargolu...t-im-Landeanflug-Fahrzeugdach.html

A picture of that van would make my day.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12333 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11924 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Reply 6):
A picture of that van would make my day.

Or at least the driver's seat cushions!  Smile



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11472 times:

This reminds me of an incident back in 1982 at PAE when a departing 747 hit a Boeing company truck on the active runway. This time the driver was in the vehicle. He was about halfway down the runway for some sort of runway maintenance when he saw the airplane's lights coming at him. He drove furiously in the same direction as the airplane in an attempt to make it to the first runway turnoff, but he didn't make it.

The 747's nose gear cleared the vehicle, but the mains hit the truck at an estimated speed of 140 mph. Lots of damage to gear doors and some landing gear structure, and the truck was totaled. The 747 continued its takeoff, dumped fuel, and landed safely. The driver of the truck survived.

Why he didn't head for the grass right away is a mystery to me. Why the tower cleared the 747 for takeoff is also a mystery. Poor coordination between driver and tower, I guess.


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10920 times:

It must be incredible.........a b747 landing over a van...............

What about the driver, Is still on shock??? seeing a 744 so close must be amazing.........


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10188 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 9):
seeing a 744 so close must be amazing.........

Object in mirror are closer than they appear.


User currently offlineNjxc500 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10004 times:

Found a picture. Wish it had a dash cam running!
Big version: Width: 800 Height: 600 File size: 44kb
747 from Cargolux landed on this van.


User currently offlineXaraB From Norway, joined Aug 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8594 times:

And I was impressed when I thought the Mercedes Sprinter was a sturdy vehicle after ours was rammed in the back by a 16-wheeler on the highway, and still economically repairable... But what's 50 tons compared to a 747....? Big grin


An open mind is not an empty one
User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8562 times:

Wow, that was close. I was expecting to see a totaled van. Two big dents, a scrape running the length of the vehicle, and a busted light bar is pretty minimal damage after being touched by a 747 landing at about 150 knots.

Frankly, it looks like they could replace the light bar and put this van back in service. After the incident investigation, of course.


User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8450 times:



Quoting Njxc500 (Reply 11):

Minor damage, that should buff right out! Someone tell Loopy Larry he has some competition out there.



Phrogs Phorever
User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8861 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

Not as good as the Transasia Airways one that Tainan about 5-10 years ago.


We are addicted to our thoughts. We cannot change anything if we cannot change our thinking – Santosh Kalwar
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8028 times:



Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 14):
Minor damage, that should buff right out! Someone tell Loopy Larry he has some competition out there.

I'd like to see the Carfax on this one...


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24796 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7879 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 15):
Not as good as the Transasia Airways one that Tainan about 5-10 years ago.

That 2003 event, fortunately without fatalities, is the only A321 hull loss to date.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20030321-0


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7787 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17):
That 2003 event, fortunately without fatalities, is the only A321 hull loss to date.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/...321-0

I recall reading about that accident; kind of strange to read the statistics on it at ASN ... 1st A321 loss, worst A321 loss and then ... 41st worst accident in Taiwan!

Seriously, though, while it's great that this incident ended without fatality, it was far too close; true, another 10' or so and the 747 would have missed entirely , OR another 10' or so and one of the bogies would have hit the van, probably getting ripped off and sending the aircraft off to one side of the runway.


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7330 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 18):
one of the bogies would have hit the van, probably getting ripped off and sending the aircraft off to one side of the runway.

I don't think the aircraft that would have happened. In the 1982 incident, when that 747 taking off hit the truck at 140 mph (see post #8 above), the van was dragged about 300 feet until the airplane finally got off the runway. The landing gear braces and doors were damaged, but the gear were not ripped off. The airplane made a safe landing.

In today's incident, I think the 747's gear would have ripped right through the van like a knife through butter. In a match between high-strength steel vs aluminum, the steel wins. There would be damage to the landing gear doors and tires, and maybe some of the landing gear braces, but no ripping off of gear.


User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6690 times:



Quoting Njxc500 (Reply 11):

What's the source of your photo?



Spell check is a false dog
User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6055 times:

Makes me remember the video of the fake American MD-11 or DC-10 landing in the highway and pushing a car until it stops...
Now if I could find it...



I gladly accept donations to pay for flight hours! This thing draws man...
User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7563 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5988 times:



Quoting Laddie (Reply 13):
I was expecting to see a totaled van.

I need to get that guy to buy me a lottery ticket.


User currently offlineHotelDJRomeo From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5813 times:



Quoting HangarRat (Reply 20):
What's the source of your photo?

Not sure where njxc500 got it, but it is on the avherald page

http://avherald.com/h?article=42620150&opt=0

And from there, it appears to have come from:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ion=view¤t=Van1.jpg&newest=1


That is ony lucky van driver.



Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?
User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5367 times:



Quoting 757MDE (Reply 21):
Makes me remember the video of the fake American MD-11 or DC-10 landing in the highway and pushing a car until it stops...
Now if I could find it...

I believe you are thinking of a piece of animation that was done several years ago. It was a complete piece of fiction created with clever filming, an airplane created with computer graphics, and good editing. It's funny to watch, but utterly impossible ! A DC-10 landing on top of a car would smash the car flat.


25 Post contains links B747forever : You mean this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2hQGsGJf8 I love it!
26 757MDE : Oh sure, never did I believe it was real but it was indeed fun to watch and this thread made me remember it! That's it! I love it too
27 FlyingAY : Too bad it wasn't a Ford Transit... That would have created a completely different meaning for "Gear in transit".
28 BeakerLTN : Persionally, I think this was a closet a.netter trying for that ultimate photo!!
29 PSPfan : On a more serious note. As an OPS guy at AMS, I think it scares the hell out of you. After hearing of the incident, the first time I was on a runway,
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Iberia A340-600 Landing Incident At UIO. posted Sat Sep 1 2007 14:10:18 by IBERIA747
DL Landing Incident At Denver Int'l Airport posted Thu Oct 12 2006 02:50:17 by Brick
MD-80-landing Incident At SJC 5/20... posted Tue May 21 2002 00:00:57 by SJC-Alien
C-172 Incident At Naples While Landing posted Sat Sep 23 2006 01:46:41 by Dj1986
Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN posted Sun Aug 31 2003 20:42:38 by Kaitak
Serious Incident At Malpensa posted Sun Feb 10 2002 13:46:16 by Treg
Very Funny, But Serious Incident At AUS Today... posted Tue Sep 12 2000 01:07:20 by Boeing747-400
Incident At CRW Airport? posted Tue Jan 19 2010 13:50:49 by Iad51fl
KLM 747 (very?) Minor Incident At ORD posted Mon Jan 4 2010 15:33:41 by Dc9northwest
Possible Incident At MKE? posted Sun Jan 3 2010 21:03:57 by Mariner63
Serious Incident At Malpensa posted Sun Feb 10 2002 13:46:16 by Treg
Very Funny, But Serious Incident At AUS Today... posted Tue Sep 12 2000 01:07:20 by Boeing747-400
Incident At CRW Airport? posted Tue Jan 19 2010 13:50:49 by Iad51fl
KLM 747 (very?) Minor Incident At ORD posted Mon Jan 4 2010 15:33:41 by Dc9northwest