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SQ 11/12: When Will The 744's Be Replaced?  
User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

We havent heard about this for a long time now...is Singapore planning on sending the WhaleJet to LAX anytime soon? I would really like to try out their new product but the old 744s on the SIN-NRT-LAX route are stopping me  Sad. Any idea when SQ will be introing the A380s?

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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2715 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8520 times:



Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
anytime soon

After they have started the Zürich-A 380-services we will not see a new A 380 connection from SQ until Q1 2011 (unless, of course, they do not axe any existing A 380 connection and start deploying the whale jet to another destination). The reason is, that after delivery of their 11th A 380 in March 2010 there will be a break until the delivery of their 12th A 380 in Q1 2011.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

Long live the B747-400!!! I hope SQ would buy some 748's...they could fly them profitably to many destinations too...

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8385 times:

I don't see much chance for the 747-8 at SQ anymore, despite Chew having said that SQ would buy them at the right price. I'm confident that price is well below what Boeing would be willing to sell them for.

User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8276 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 2):


Long live the B747-400!!! I hope SQ would buy some 748's...they could fly them profitably to many destinations too...

I love the B747 too..its prolly my second favorite aircraft next to the 777-200 LR but the SQ inflight product in Y on the LAX flights is just really really dated compared to the likes of CX, TG, EK, et all.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 1):

After they have started the Zürich-A 380-services we will not see a new A 380 connection from SQ until Q1 2011 (unless, of course, they do not axe any existing A 380 connection and start deploying the whale jet to another destination). The reason is, that after delivery of their 11th A 380 in March 2010 there will be a break until the delivery of their 12th A 380 in Q1 2011.

I thought the US market (specifically LAX) was important enough to deserve the A380...is there any reason to keep the 747s on this route?? I know SQ is using the 777-300 ERs on the HKG-SFO route though..


User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8172 times:

Q1 2011? Wrong.

12th frame is scheduled for Oct 2010.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8126 times:
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Ther new daily Zurich A380 is replacing about 12 777-300ER flights, so where are the 777 going is the question ? SQ is using the A380 to LHR, CDG and now Zurich, could it go to other European cities ? Amsterdam perhaps, FRA( surprised it hasn't yet), others will continue to be flown by 777's.

The surprise is SQ1/2 haven't seen the A380 as some here in North America expected in the spring of 2008 after the October 2007 Sydney launch. SQ continues to fly 744's to New York and LAX, two cities served nondtop by its A340-500 all Business Class. It is probably because of the one-stop low yield nature of these flights that they get the old 744 and not other SQ destinations. Also the length of flights to North America from Singapore is different then Europe, South Africa or Australia which can be served nonstop by almost all planes in the SQ fleet. Its not a matter of if the 77W flies LAX to NRT but when, and that will be soon.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2715 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8093 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 5):
12th frame is scheduled for Oct 2010.

I don't think so. Oct. 2010 was the previous announcement by SQ. But it seems that they have postponed the delivery. It wouldn't even work: convoy of MSN 058 will be completed beginning of February 2010, 5 months FAL, 1 month for FF and transfer to XFW, let's say 5 months outfitting => min. January 2011, which is Q 1 2011.

I read the announcement by SQ once again and it contains a lot of "rather than", so it was rather vagues.


User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1114 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 7988 times:



Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 4):
I thought the US market (specifically LAX) was important enough to deserve the A380...is there any reason to keep the 747s on this route?? I know SQ is using the 777-300 ERs on the HKG-SFO route though..

US destinations are no doubt important, but not as important as the Kangaroo route or the trans-Asian routes to key cities in Asia's biggest economies.

Anyhow the US destinations have more quality than quantity: pent-up demand is for front-end seats, not the back end, which is why the A345 serves this purpose very well. The A380s add too much back end capacity to a market which has yet to fully recover.



It's huaiwei...not huawei. I have nothing to do with the PRC! :)
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7896 times:

As far as I know, October 2010 is the scheduled delivery month for MSN058, 9V-SKL. She was originally scheduled for Q1 2008. Immediately prior to SQ's decision to defer deliveries, she was scheduled for delivery in Q2 2010. 5 months in FAL and another 5 months outfitting seems pessimistic to me. I think Airbus are getting good at building WhaleJets for SQ by now. Also, the past wiring problems should not affect 9V-SKL at all.

User currently offlineAlwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7724 times:

When is SQ getting rid of their pax 744 fleet?
Any idea where them birds going to? Sold? The desert?

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User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7683 times:
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Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 2):
Long live the B747-400!!! I hope SQ would buy some 748's...they could fly them profitably to many destinations too...

I love the 747. My favourite aircraft by a country mile. A classic airliner that is still as revolutionary today as it was when it was first designed. I just hope the orders for the 747-8i pick up. I would hate to live in a world where 747's are not carrying passengers.



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2715 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7593 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 9):
As far as I know, October 2010 is the scheduled delivery month for MSN058, 9V-SKL.



Quote:
"The revised schedule will see the 12th aircraft delivered in October 2010 rather than April 2010, while the 19th aircraft will be delivered in January 2012 rather than January 2011."

Source: http://www.singaporeair.com/mediacentre/pacontent/news/NE_4509.jsp

However, I still think October is not possible.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 9):
5 months in FAL and another 5 months outfitting seems pessimistic to me. I think Airbus are getting good at building WhaleJets for SQ by now. Also, the past wiring problems should not affect 9V-SKL at all.

The times I applied were already wave-2-times. The shortest time ever, so far, between "all parts convoyed" and roll-out FAL was 4,1 months (msn 051 for SQ). After that there was not a single airframe, which made it in less than 5 months. The latest roll-out, MSN 049 for AF, took 5,5 months.

MSN 058s parts will arrive in TLS on February 04th 2010.
Body join usually takes about two weeks, which makes it roughly March 1st, when MSN 058 will enter the FAL.
Let's assume 4 months FAL => FAL roll out in July.
1 month for FF preparation and transfer to XFW => August FF and transfer to XFW
Let's assume only 4 months only for cabin outfitting, which would be a new record (SQ's previous two A380s took 6 months) => December 2010.

But I am afraid this is becoming off-topic. I think we can agree upon that after delivery of 9V-SKK and the new service to Zürich there will be no new A 380 destination until something between October 2010 and Q1 of 2011. Nevertheless, SQ could be so kindly to inform us already now about how they wil use their 12th A380s.  Wink


User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7583 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
and that will be soon.



Quoting Alwaysontherun (Reply 10):
When is SQ getting rid of their pax 744 fleet?

I've been wondering about this for quite some time, and there hasn't been any real clear answer except for "soon".

Will be sad when those pax jumbos are gone.


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7441 times:



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 11):

I love the 747. My favourite aircraft by a country mile. A classic airliner that is still as revolutionary today as it was when it was first designed. I just hope the orders for the 747-8i pick up. I would hate to live in a world where 747's are not carrying passengers.

She def is still the Queen of the Skies. I still think 747s will be carrying pax traffic for a long time to come. I just wish that SQ in its later years had updated the IFE and the seats on the big birds, like how Cathay did with its Jumbos. The 747 looks so elegant, so gracefull when parked next to a A380 (WHY IS IT SO FAT??? ).


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7426 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Reply 12):


But I am afraid this is becoming off-topic. I think we can agree upon that after delivery of 9V-SKK and the new service to Zürich there will be no new A 380 destination until something between October 2010 and Q1 of 2011. Nevertheless, SQ could be so kindly to inform us already now about how they wil use their 12th A380s.

Wont SQ need at least 2 A380s for use on the LAX route...or would that be 3? One for the outbound, one for the inbound and then one as a back-up?


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

Unless SQ needs the capacity, I think they will likely switch their routes to the USA to all-777-300ER service (SQ 001/002 have been flying the 77W for some time on this route). Mind you, once the economy improves I expect SQ to assign to A388's to the SQ001/002 route, likely configured with more premium class seating.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7144 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Reply 12):
I think we can agree upon that after delivery of 9V-SKK and the new service to Zürich there will be no new A 380 destination until something between October 2010 and Q1 of 2011. Nevertheless, SQ could be so kindly to inform us already now about how they wil use their 12th A380s.

I expect SQ will announce the next route only well after the ZRH upgauge. They want to keep the attention focused on ZRH.


User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7117 times:
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Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 14):
The 747 looks so elegant, so gracefull when parked next to a A380 (WHY IS IT SO FAT??? ).

My though exactly. I suppose the stubby look of the A380 comes as a result of all the double deck configuration. The 747 is the most aesthetically pleasing aircraft of them all. My favourite picture of the 747 is on final approach, with her full flaps extended and the massive landing gear down. I don't know how Boeing got such a huge aircraft looks so elegant.



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7085 times:



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 18):

My though exactly. I suppose the stubby look of the A380 comes as a result of all the double deck configuration. The 747 is the most aesthetically pleasing aircraft of them all. My favourite picture of the 747 is on final approach, with her full flaps extended and the massive landing gear down. I don't know how Boeing got such a huge aircraft looks so elegant.

I know i always wondered that too. The best shots of it are in flight and landing..take off is not bad either. Everything on the 747 looks proportional  Smile. The colorful liveries of most of the world's airlines help too  Smile.


User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1264 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

Any ideas when SIN-FRA-JFK is changing from 744 to 77W?


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User currently offlineAirStairs From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7004 times:

Aren't LAX yields relatively low? I'm sure they must be somewhat decent to warrant the all-J flight, but the 77W seems much much more likely than the A380 on SQ11/12.

User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6983 times:



Quoting AirStairs (Reply 21):
Aren't LAX yields relatively low? I'm sure they must be somewhat decent to warrant the all-J flight, but the 77W seems much much more likely than the A380 on SQ11/12.

i dont mind the 77W either...the newer product will be a welcome change but the A380 would be nice also  Smile.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6961 times:



Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 20):
Any ideas when SIN-FRA-JFK is changing from 744 to 77W?

It is not certain that will happen. SQ might decide to either drop the tag or upgauge SIN-FRA-JFK to WhaleJet service.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6891 times:

I for one am in no big hurry to see the 744s leave LAX, there's plenty of time to rush, ride, get use to then get tired of the A380.


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25 CaliAtenza : The only reason i dont fly SQ anymore is because of A. the Y product and B. the wait times in Singapore now for flights from India to the US West Coa
26 Huaiwei : EK has non-stop flights from India to LAX?
27 Post contains links and images Tonymctigue : I know. I don't know if it is just my imagination, but airlines who operate 747's seem to make a special effort to design their liveries with the 747
28 Zvezda : That caught my eye too. I think he meant that EK have nonstop flights from DXB to LAX, compared to SQ which stop between SIN and LAX (except for the
29 Tsentsan : If anybody's interested, SQ 77W 9V-SWH is doing the non-stop to LAX today, in place of the A345.
30 CaliAtenza : hehe, yeah i meant from DXB-LAX. Now its just one stop for me from India, whereas it used to be two stops and a pretty long wait. If i could afford i
31 Theginge : I would imagine they would go to the desert. If you look at the number of 744 being stored at VCV in California it is clear that there is little 2nd
32 Zvezda : Is she making a tech stop at TPE on the return flight? Assuming that SQ's 777-300ERs have the latest engine PIPs and that the Y cabin was empty (incl
33 Airbazar : My guess is that the 773ER coming out of the ZRH route will be deployed to LAX to replace the 744. That would make the most sense to me. However, you
34 Jfk777 : Other, more northernly based, Asian airlines fly 77W's nonstop to the USA's east coast, 16 hours nonstop. SQ flying their 16 hours is what the 77W is
35 Nicholaschee : No. SIN-MUC-MAN & SIN-SYD.
36 Econojetter : So is it confirmed that the passenger-version 744 will stay on at SQ beyond March this year? Is there a new retirement schedule?
37 Etoile : SIN-LAX 700 mi longer, different route.
38 Pink77W : Hey Tsentsan, can a 77W do SIN-LAX nonstop ? just wondering, thx
39 Tsentsan : SIN/LAX on the 77W should not be a problem. The 772ERs were doing it non stop before in lieu of the A345s back when there was EY on the A345. Sorry, c
40 Zvezda : SQ currently fly two routes -- SIN-NRT-LAX and SIN-FRA-JFK -- with their remaining JumboJets. The schedule shows both flights continuing to operate w
41 CaliAtenza : The Y product is fantastic on the 77W's..its the product on the 747s that im down about, same with the older 777s. The Big Birds are just gettin old
42 Pellegrine : Fly 77W LAX-SIN and you will drop into the South China Sea. 7621 nm on the great circle + fierce Pacific headwinds would add 500-750 nm equivalent at
43 CaliAtenza : yeah the 200ER would make sense. How far is DXB-SFO? EK is doing that with the 777W.
44 Zvezda : The ferry range of the 777-300ER is about 8500nm. Depending on the intensity of the headwinds on any particular day, a 777-300ER should be able to ca
45 Post contains links SpeedyGonzales : No need to speculate anymore, it is stopping in TPE: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA37
46 Airbazar : I don't think we will ever see SQ drop JFK. However with CO entry into *A, the NYC-FRA market may become a little overcrowded so it would make more s
47 CaliAtenza : Unlike MH, SQ has a sound business plan. Im thinking both LAX and JFK will get the 77Ws soon... ..hopefully!
48 Airbazar : By my calculations that still leaves 1 773ER free. The twice daily SIN-ZRH (actually 12 weekly), uses 4 aircraft. The 2 routes above will need only 3
49 Olympic472 : Possible redeployment of their 744s will free up some 773ERs.
50 MoltenRock : I usually fly the A345 to EWR and the plane, non-stop, 100 +/- seats for a wide body is the only way to fly (so to speak). The A345 & the 747 are the
51 Nicholaschee : Not really, the current 12x just needs slightly less than 3 77Ws not 4. SIN-MUC-MAN will just need slightly under 2 77Ws. SIN-SYD (SQ231/222) will ne
52 Lightsaber : Yeilds for LAX are low. With the option of the direct sucking up most of the premium passengers, I do not see SQ11/12 going A380 for years. The 744 s
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