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Snapshot: US Interior To Hawaii, 1969  
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4799 times:

The 3/69 OAG shows the following, all effective 5 March:

UA D8F ORD-HNL daily
UA D8F JFK-HNL daily

BN 707 DAL-HNL 6/week, DAL-ITO 1/week
BN 707 STL-HNL 6/week, STL-ITO 1/week
BN 707 HOU-HNL 1/week, HOU-ITO 1/week

CO 720B ORD-HNL 3/week
CO 720B HOU-PHX-HNL 2/week
CO 720B MKC-DEN-HNL 2/week

Note that UA was planning to use D8F, not D8S-- no DC-8-62s yet. Wonder how much payload a 707-327C could take off HOU's 7600-ft runway?

The 15 Apr OAG shows all the above, but then the 1 May says all of CO's and BN's flights are effective 11 May. The 1 August lists BN's flights, but no CO or UA.

It seems all the confusion was due to Nixon's inauguration and the CAB's subsequent reconsideration. Cearley says UA actually started ORD-HNL on 1 August (with a DC-8-62?), and it seems that was the first interior-to-Hawaii scheduled flight; BN started ATL-DAL-HNL on 14 Aug.

The 1 Sept OAG shows

UA ORD-HNL D8S daily
BN DAL-HNL daily, ATL-HNL daily, IAH-HNL 3/week
NW ORD-HNL 5/week, ORD-ITO 2/week

No other nonstops to Hawaii. Also no YYZ-HNL at the moment.

The 1 October shows the UA D8S JFK-HNL; BN has added a daily B7F DAL-HNL (which I guess means 707-138B) to the daily 707-327C. Then in the 1 November BN's two DAL flights are a B7F and a D8F-- yeah, that's what it says, D8F not D8S. Did they have any DC-8-50s then? In 11/69 there was also a weekly CO 720B ORD-ITO, along with the NW.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4442 times:



Quoting Timz (Thread starter):
CO 720B ORD-HNL 3/week

I can't recall CO operating nonstop ORD-HNL and I don't think they had nonstop authority on that sector in 1969. The 720B also wouldn't have had the range for ORD-HNL nonstop. Perhaps the flight operated ORD-LAX-HNL?


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Schedules in the 15 April OAG (the ones that presumably didn't actually exist)

CO B2F lv ORD 1015 arr HNL 1500
UA D8F lv ORD 1300 arr HNL 1810

Schedules in the November OAG (that hopefully did exist)

CO B2F lv ORD 1200 arr ITO 1635
NW B3F lv ORD 1150 arr ITO 1650

NW's flight operated ThSa, CO's operated Sa; wonder how easy it was for them to pass NW.

The 15 Apr also shows a daily CO B2F lv ORD 1400 arr LAX 1543 lv 1625 arr HNL 1945, along with the 3/week nonstop.


User currently offlineBNAFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

I have a BN 01.15.1970 timetable that shows the typical "authorized but not operated routes" BN had. They almost always showed Hawaii-Dallas/Houston/Atlanta/Miami routes. This timetable actually shows the IAH nonstops, 3x weekly. One of the very few I've seen other than the DFW service, and in latter years, LAX and SEA/PDX.

User currently offlineWa707atmsp From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

The route map in CO's 1970 annual report shows CO had authority from HNL / ITO to LAX, SEA, PDX, PHX, DEN, MCI, and ORD - plus the Air Micronesia route to Midway Island and points west.

Not all of these routes were operated by CO, and I don't think any airline has ever flown MCI-HNL on a scheduled basis.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3590 times:



Quoting Wa707atmsp (Reply 4):
I don't think any airline has ever flown MCI-HNL on a scheduled basis.

Likely not-- but
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User currently offlineAircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Gosh I thought the OP meant a picture of inside the aircraft for Hawaii flight? mm Interior I guess he should have said US to Hawaii flights not interior.

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