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MIA: Official: 3 More European Route Announcements  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15806 times:

As if the new service Miami has recieved to Europe in the past few months wasn't enough, MIA official Chris Mangos told the Miami Today News that three new European routes will be announced this year, but couldn't say anything more given that the routes are not finalized. The hints don''t really narrow much down at all:


  • A city in southern Europe; seasonal service.
  • A city in eastern Europe; seasonal service.
  • A new "low-cost" European airline; year-round service.


Last year MIA welcomed Air Europa to Tenerife and the return of Finnair to Helsinki; in March Air Europa compliments Tenerife with a Madrid flight and Lufthansa adds Munich; in June Alitalia compliments Rome with a Milan flight and Corsairfly begins Paris Orly (which might be the low-cost European airline hinted at, IMO, given that it was not mentioned in the article).

Not sure what European carriers' new found love with MIA is, but MIA is loving it. Hopefully these hinted services actually come into fruition.


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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15778 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):

# A city in southern Europe; seasonal service.

BCN??

Either as AA or IB. Assuming it's a city that doesn't currently see nonstop service to MIA, that seems to be the next-best-add.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15719 times:

Very good news for MIA!

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
A new "low-cost" European airline; year-round service.

I am particularly interested in this one. Which low cost transatlantic airline is there?

Could it be the return of Martinair? or something like Monarch or Air Lingus out of Gatwick?


User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15723 times:

It was posted in another thread just a few hours ago that LH is starting MUC-MIA. I'm guessing this is one of the three? Does it fit the category of Eastern or Southern Europe?

LH Expands Longhaul From MUC (by Qazar Jan 22 2010 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15699 times:



Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 3):
It was posted in another thread just a few hours ago that LH is starting MUC-MIA. I'm guessing this is one of the three? Does it fit the category of Eastern or Southern Europe?

No, that is not one of them. Mr. Mangos mentions Miami-Munich already in the article.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15684 times:

Reading other new threads her on A.net, Air Europe is announcing MIA as well. Link:

Air Europe 3 New Long Haul Destination (by MIgAiR54 Jan 22 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Is that one?

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15616 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
Is that one?

Air Europa has flown to Miami since July from Tenerife. Miami-Madrid was announced in September 2009; it was just "re-announced" today.

The article also talks about Air Europa and its new Madrid service independent of these three new things.

The article, however, does not mention Alitalia's new Milan service nor Corsairfly's new Paris Orly service. Milan might be considered "southern Europe," but the service is year-round and therefore doesn't fit the "seasonal."



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User currently offlineToobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15517 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2):
Very good news for MIA!

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
A new "low-cost" European airline; year-round service.

I am particularly interested in this one. Which low cost transatlantic airline is there?

Could it be the return of Martinair? or something like Monarch or Air Lingus out of Gatwick?


I'm thinking Air Berlin maybe?? regardless, good news for MIA!


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3448 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15481 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2):
Could it be the return of Martinair?

Considering that MP doesn't have much of a future left as a passenger carrier, I doubt it.

Quoting Toobz (Reply 7):
I'm thinking Air Berlin maybe??

They already serve MIA from DUS, so they wouldn't count as "new", but maybe they'll be launching that rumored BER-MIA route?


User currently offlineSkyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15207 times:

I am in MIA and saw a Miami Dade Public Bus with and add from Air Berlin saying they are the new LCC to Europe and for people to fly to Germany, Dusseldorf DUS with them cheaper.
I think this route is great, because it comes after Martinair said good bye to MIA.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15066 times:



Quoting Skyone (Reply 9):
I am in MIA and saw a Miami Dade Public Bus with and add from Air Berlin saying they are the new LCC to Europe and for people to fly to Germany, Dusseldorf DUS with them cheaper.

Can't be AB. AB, specifically what used to be LT prior to the company being taken over by AB, has been operating DUS-MIA for decades. No idea if AB flights to MIA still carry the LT code or if they're finally flying with AB's own code.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15057 times:



Quoting Skyone (Reply 9):
I am in MIA and saw a Miami Dade Public Bus with and add from Air Berlin saying they are the new LCC to Europe and for people to fly to Germany, Dusseldorf DUS with them cheaper.
I think this route is great, because it comes after Martinair said good bye to MIA.

Air Berlin - by its own brand and its predecessor LTU - has been flying to Miami for over two decades.



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User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15030 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
A city in eastern Europe; seasonal service

This is the one I'm most curious about. Given the large Russian community in South Florida, would SU return to MIA?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14904 times:



Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 12):

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
A city in eastern Europe; seasonal service

This is the one I'm most curious about. Given the large Russian community in South Florida, would SU return to MIA?

At a press conference about a year ago, Aeroflot's CEO was asked why the airline does not fly to Miami, the CEO responded that a few years ago the market was not strong yielding enough, but now the reason was that "we don't have the planes to do it."

So maybe...



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14840 times:

Hmm very interesting...sounds like good news for MIA! I don't know about you all but I am feeling a little nostalgic...all this introduction of service in MIA reminds me of the MIA I remember as a teen in the 90's!

Any chance we will see the return of Austrian to Vienna?



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14733 times:



Quoting MIASkies (Reply 14):
Any chance we will see the return of Austrian to Vienna?

If LH starts MUC-MIA, I guess it may be more likely that they'll opt for a codeshare with LH out of MUC instead of re-starting VIE-MIA.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4069 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14714 times:
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How about TP starting LIS-MIA-LIS?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14661 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
If LH starts MUC-MIA,

LH is re-starting MIA-MUC.

I don't think that would neccesarily preclude Austrian from, returning, however. Vienna is a great hub to Eastern Europe and Miami is a good market to Eastern Europe.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 16):
How about TP starting LIS-MIA-LIS?

I was thinking that, too.

The ones that popped into my head first were Austrian to Vienna and TAP to Lisbon - an interesting combination but one that might work. Miami is a great market to the Iberian peninsula and Eastern Europe, and TAP and Austrian service those markets, respectively.



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User currently offlineTim171080 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14490 times:

It might be TK to IST, source: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/turki...turkish-airlines-destinations.html

"TK plans to introduce the following new (Longhaul) Destinations, who are introduced with the arriving of the ordered A 330s.

Beginning will be in the 3. Quater of 2010.
...
...
Miami
...
"


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4069 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14407 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
I was thinking that, too.

The ones that popped into my head first were Austrian to Vienna and TAP to Lisbon - an interesting combination but one that might work. Miami is a great market to the Iberian peninsula and Eastern Europe, and TAP and Austrian service those markets, respectively.

I was wondering what you might think of new service to LIS, Mark. It would seem like it would fit in with the European market from MIA.

In regards to a possible charter, are there any thoughts on Sata or White Airways?

[Edited 2010-01-22 22:11:56]

User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2853 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13985 times:



Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 1):
BCN??

Oh wow! that would be nice, wouldn't that be of some benefit to the cruise ship industry? both BCN and MIA have large cruise ship ports, and most of the times when I flew to BCN (on both DL and CO) from the US most of the passengers where seniors going on cruise ships.

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 1):
Either as AA or IB

If it happened it will definitely be operated by AA, IB does not offer any long-haul destinantion out of BCN, they all route thru MAD.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineSQ773 From Spain, joined Apr 2005, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13696 times:



Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 20):
If it happened it will definitely be operated by AA, IB does not offer any long-haul destinantion out of BCN, they all route thru MAD.

Hi,

Rumours say it will be DE , only seasonal flight BCN-MIA.

Rgds

SQ773


User currently offlineVlad1971 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12711 times:

A friend of mine who is steward from UN says that Transaero will start seasonal flights from DME to MIA this summer . Flights will operate once in a two weeks with B777-200ER .

User currently offlineAirlittoralguy From France, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10904 times:

Does anyone have the schedule for the former austrian airlines Miami flights ?
When did they operate ?



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User currently onlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3490 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10681 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
At a press conference about a year ago, Aeroflot's CEO was asked why the airline does not fly to Miami, the CEO responded that a few years ago the market was not strong yielding enough, but now the reason was that "we don't have the planes to do it."

I highly doubt that yields today, in a weaker economy than a few years ago, are stronger now than then. Different reasons may have been given but as a general rule, service follows demand. MIA is not the be-all and end-all that some a.netters make it out to be, there isn't even any MIA-SEA service. On the plus side, MIA really has been growing by leaps and bounds these last few years. How long can such massive growth continue before yields become trash, however?

Jeremy


25 MAH4546 : AS 16 SEA 1315-2148 MIA 738 Daily AS 17 MIA 1000-1347 SEA 738 Daily Alaska Airlines has been serving MIA for more than seven years.[Edited 2010-01-23
26 Ualcsr : It is for AA.
27 FlyingSicilian : What about Meridiana from NAP or PMO (or even CTA) to Miami or previously mentioned BCN? What other southern Europe airports don't serve Miami (Athens
28 AJMIA : Back in 1995 there were rumors that AA was looking at MIA-LIS. Still waiting for AA to add more Europe from MIA. AJMIA
29 LACA773 : I believe Meridiana does not have any widebodies at this point. If they were to start a transatlantic flight, they would need to wet lease a couple o
30 BMI727 : That was my first thought as well. That might make sense but aren't all of Transaero's 777s in a three class configuration? If so, that might not wor
31 SESGDL : My mistake; I meant on AA. Jeremy
32 Arcus : Miami will se a route to the capital of Norway. The route will be served by a new LCC carrier. According to the airport management, Feel air in cooper
33 AirGabon : Don't forget that Corsair will start twice weekly Paris ORY-MIA with 550 seats B744 A new competitor for both AA and AF CDG-MIA flights.
34 GLAGAZ : Feel Air: ARN/OSL - MIA possibly? Gaz
35 DeltaL1011man : Did he say for sure it wasn't a US carrier....I could see DL hitting one of the hubs in Europe
36 Humberside : Meridiana are merging with Eurofly, who they have owned a stake in for a while
37 Airbazar : IIRC, White has been serving FLL from LIS, between June and September for the last 2 years, so a return would not be a surprise. But as much as I'd l
38 Vlad1971 : As far as I know all Transaero B777 has 4 Class configurations 12 seats - Imperial Class ( First class flat bed pods ) 14 seats - Business 167 seats
39 SCL767 : Maybe Czech Airlines from PRG. TXL-MIA twice weekly is a very strong possibility.
40 LACA773 : This makes sense. I remember now Sata being more of an ethnic carrier as they flew to PWM during the busy seasons. Thanks for the information about t
41 Njdevilsin03 : Another MIA to europe announcement meaning another airline to skip over FLL...typical...haha
42 Yellowtail : All this BCN talk...Milan will see service on AA before BCN
43 Sflaflight : AA did have their opportunity but refused to do anything before, obviously in a recession. We might see AA at MXP, but now with AZ operating 3x start
44 BOStonsox : Don't you mean PVD? Sata is an ethnic carrier, as it flies from BOS to the Azores and only seasonally nonstop from LIS. How many Portuguese are in MI
45 MAH4546 : No, it probably won't. Alitalia resumes Miami-Milan in June.
46 SCL767 : It won't change anything at AA. They have neglected Europe ex MIA for years. I bet the only two routes that AA will fly ex MIA is MIA-BCN and MIA-MAN
47 MAH4546 : Not many, but the market is somewhat sizable because of business ties between Miami and Portugal, such as the North American headquarters for ESFG an
48 LACA773 : Thanks for the correction, BOStonsox . I apreciate it man.
49 BOStonsox : No problem. Well, Sata isn't going to fly it. I've heard their BOS flights don't do well but the government mandates that they fly the route. It woul
50 MAH4546 : I've gotten word that the Eastern European carrier that MIA is in advanced talks with is indeed Aeroflot, but no decision is expected until May/June.
51 OP3000 : Seems likely they could do well on the route (sizable VFR from MIA, tourism from Russia). Any idea if AA ever seriously considered MIA-DME, especiall
52 Airbazar : You're almost right As BOStonsox pointed out, I think what you meant was PVD. However, IIRC, SATA's OAK flights make a fuel stop somewhere in Maine b
53 Post contains links MAH4546 : Article: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/sout...ida/v-fullstory/story/1455577.html Riddled with so many errors but otherwise somewhat informative; int
54 LACA773 : Thanks very much, Airbazar. I apreciate it. If TP doesn't have the a/c to start LIS-MIA, could AA fly it with a 75W? Since AA likes to play it safe,
55 USAirALB : What about SWISS to Geneva? Wasn't MIA one of the former SwissAir routes? I know they flew GVA-LAX.
56 MAH4546 : Swiss already flies MIA-ZRH daily. Not sure why it would want to do MIA-GVA.
57 USAirALB : I dunno, while were on that topic, though, didnt SWISS fly GVA-BOS?
58 MAH4546 : Not in recent times, IIRC. Maybe in the 60s/70s.
59 Abrelosojos : = This is what I am hearing as well - flights routed to OSL. = I don't think this would work. From a LX/LH network perspective, MIA-GVA would seem an
60 Abrelosojos : TK is looking very seriously at both LAX and MIA. Right size aircraft is what has been the biggest constraint. Saludos, A.
61 MAH4546 : I think they have the right-size aircraft for MIA with the A330-200, but THY only has seven of them with none on order, so it all depends on prioriti
62 USAirALB : Where else did Swiss fly out of GVA?
63 SKY1 : I'm very surprised about the new Air Europa's MIA-MAD service. No sure it's gonna to work. I doubt there's more room for other carrier. Destinations i
64 MAH4546 : I believe you expressed the same doubts about Air Europa's very successful Miami-Tenerife flights.
65 SKY1 : So far I know, yields on the TFN-MIA are not a wonderful stuff and the flight is subsidized by the local government. I wish good luck to UX. They are
66 MAH4546 : The launch subsidies have ended and Air Europa has decided to operate MIA-TFN on its own accord due to the routes tremendous success. Air Europa is a
67 SKY1 : You're the one who often is wrong! Your last one is to say that "LAN is a founding member in oneworld". Please Mark, don't talk me about be wrong. An
68 MAH4546 : If you want to maturely debate why you feel Air Europa will fail in Miami, feel free. Otherwise, I won't bother responding. I can't be "wrong" about
69 Sflaflight : You don't have to wish them good luck. There is plenty of market between the two cities. MIA-MAD can always use extra capacity. Flights leave full ev
70 SKY1 : Don't distort. You said "Miami is absolutely crucial to Air Europa's network" and simply it's not true. More "crucial" is for UX keeping EZE, increas
71 Post contains links LACA773 : Is UX's inflight product better than IB's overall? I know their 330s offer PTV AVOD. How's their J product? Catering in Y? Crew? Is it safe to say th
72 Post contains images SKY1 : It's similar. IB, despite people say here, has got a respectable product in Coach. Not the World's best, of course, but respectable. The weakest poin
73 Jfk777 : SAS and KLM two airlines Miami needs.
74 Abrelosojos : = I still think the 330 is too big for MIA. Though, with decent flight times and onward to TLV, it may work. However, TK's priority is to make LAX wo
75 UALWN : The weakest point for IB is the attitude of the cabin and ground crew, which is consistently atrocious.
76 MAH4546 : This is a result of adding Lima following Air Comet's demise, and needing aircraft elsewhere. Note, though, that it was planned to operate at 6w, not
77 OB1504 : Surely you can't compare the MAD-MIA of the 1980s with the MAD-MIA of the 2010s. The market has matured significantly since then. I believe this was
78 MAH4546 : No, AA had seen a dramatic drop in premium traffic on all trans-Atlantic routes (not just MIA-MAD) and started to shift 777 capacity back to South Am
79 SKY1 : Yes, you're right but even nowadays hardly might be found an adequate profit for a third player. Demand is limited and UX can't offer nothing to conn
80 OB1504 : Admittedly, I have yet to fly IB, but after many interactions with their staff, it's not something I'm too keen on doing.
81 sflaflight : Who cares if they are known? Most people will use a third party res agent (like Expedia and Orbitz) and if they come up cheaper than IB (which is not
82 OP3000 : I agree, and Expedia and Orbitz are extremely competent at combining interlining carriers on connections.
83 SKY1 : It cares. Sometimes cares. There are people who will not fly in an unknown carrier. They're not the most, but there's people who will refuse to fly a
84 LACA773 : Thanks for the insight, SKY1. I was thinking that. Service wise, IB seems to be at the bottom.
85 MAH4546 : Miami is the second largest market between the U.S. and Spain. The market is far less crowded than New York-Madrid, which is now at five(!) airlines.
86 Post contains images SKY1 : EWR-MAD (CO) JFK-MAD (DL) JFK-MAD (IB) JFK-MAD (UX) ...there are 4, not 5. If you count the AF code on the DL metal, yes they're 5 airlines   Yes, t
87 MAH4546 : American Airlines begins daily, year-round JFK-Madrid service on May 1st.
88 BOStonsox : So why haven't anyone mentioned LH's new MIA-MUC flights? Wouldn't that be one of the three?
89 MAH4546 : No, it is not one of the three. These are three unannounced routes. One of the three is Transaero to Moscow; the other two we don't know.
90 SKY1 : OK, that's true. But also keep in mind there will be 2 carriers (CO and AA) flying NYC-MAD with the smallest available aircraft to cross the Atlantic
91 MAH4546 : No, it is actually not, especially not relative to the difference in size of other markets. In fact, it is larger based only on U.S.-originating traf
92 SKY1 : Interesting. Mark, do u have the figures? If so, might be very interesting to have a quick glance.
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