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Bad Decision: Trump Is Selling His 727  
User currently offlineLufthansi From Germany, joined May 2002, 454 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16854 times:

From a google advertisement on a.net:

http://www.leaderaviation.com/Aircra...sults/Detailed-aircraft/?rid=40199

At his place this baby would be the last peace I'd sell. And damn I don't have the money right now to buy it. Could John be interested in it? He would have to built a third planeport (big carport) at this house.

Cheers,

Cpt. Chaos


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4521 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16802 times:

I love how the first image on the page is a Flight Simulator screenshot.   

But wow...if I could afford that I would just live in it forever. I'd never want or need a home or apartment!  Good lord, if you read down a bit it says it has a gold-plated sink!  

I wonder why he's selling it? It looks like a heck of a lot of work went into it. I know I wouldn't throw away something I'd put so much money into fixing up so nicely, but then again I'm not a multi-millionaire either.

[Edited 2010-01-23 02:36:42]

User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16760 times:

Donald Trump To Personal Jet: 'You're Fired!' (by ZANL188 Nov 10 2009 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4605089&searchid=4607836&s=trump+727#ID4607836

Donald Trump To Personal Jet: 'You're Fired!' NOV 2009



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16747 times:

Wow, the interior is amazing! Would love to have it as my home Big grin

I wonder though how much the ask for it.



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User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16731 times:

Well, Trump can sell his but I'll be damned if I'm going to sell mine!

User currently offlineLufthansi From Germany, joined May 2002, 454 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16653 times:

But it's sad in my opinion. He's not selling one of those standrad jets but his beloved 727 hat he was proud of in many TV docus. Even German TV reporter Birgit Schrowange was able to get a nice tour of his jet for the lifestyle magazine "life!"

Maybe the interiour would need to be refurbished as the cupboars and electrical switches on them look a bit old fashioned. But the plane itself is a true hommage to aviation. I don't know how old he was when bying and customizing this jet. But today he should keep it to show younger people like me how aviation went on when it still was something for privilieged people. The golden era of aviation and the beginning of jet powered aircraft are thing that I'm really intersted in. It's much more fascinating than today's planes. For sure they're masterpieces of engineering too. But some people prefer oldschool technolgies. And as he has the money to maintain this craft in good condition he should continue just like other people show the oldtimer cars around. No one would say "wow!" to a Falcon, Globex or whatever cause they're not as rare as his current jet. Also it's not the size that matters. Even if he buys a 747 like the rulers of Sultan this new privat jet would not spread as much understanding to aviation as the nice 727. So Mr. Trump: Think about your decision again. Just call John and make a global tour to get to know the many friends that John made with his 707.  Wink



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4938 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16390 times:



Quoting Lufthansi (Reply 5):
Also it's not the size that matters.

So, this would be okay then?.....  Wink


http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...o-increase-production-in-2010.html



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16338 times:

I can't understand peoples astonishment that Donald Trump is selling his 721. Just look at the bare facts, its a very old aircraft with old inefficient noisy engines, soon its arrival will be most unwelcome at some airports.

User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16254 times:

You think his decision was bad. However it was HIS aircraft.

Quoting Lufthansi (Reply 5):
But some people prefer oldschool technolgies.

Maybe he is not one of them.

Quoting Lufthansi (Reply 5):
he has the money to maintain this craft in good condition

Sure he does. But that doesn't mean he has to keep the aircraft. He's a businessman. Businessmen (should) run businesses according to economic principles, not to some sentimental reasons.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 16145 times:

He's selling it because he is replacing it with a bigger a/c. Another thing that could be a factor is that the 727 is beginning to be banned in some countries due to noise restrictions. It's hard for someone with a global business empire to do business in a certain country if his personal a/c is banned from that country.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9676 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 16052 times:

Why does this guy have such a bad taste? The frames of the pictures are absolutely out of the style of the rest of the furnishings, totally unfitting and disgusting. He should donate the 721 to Pima County Air Museum and the pictures including frames to some horror museum.


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15980 times:
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I bet he buys a 757 or a 737 so he an land at LGA, anything bigger wouldn't work.

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4055 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15935 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 9):
Another thing that could be a factor is that the 727 is beginning to be banned in some countries due to noise restrictions. It's hard for someone with a global business empire to do business in a certain country if his personal a/c is banned from that country.

He could put noise reduction package on the engines could'nt he ? The flight deck is oldfashioned though. i guess there is'nt a way to do anything about that.

Personally I would love buying an A 340, A330, A380, B777, B767.... I can dream can't I ?


User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15889 times:
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Quoting Srbmod (Reply 9):
He's selling it because he is replacing it with a bigger a/c.

Is there any word on what aircraft type he will be replacing it with?



JLB54061
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15868 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
I bet he buys a 757 or a 737 so he an land at LGA, anything bigger wouldn't work.

738BBJ would be perfect for Mr Bad Hairdo  duck 

//Mike  Big grin



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2459 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15759 times:

Trump's business partner Phil Ruffin owns a 737-700 BBJ.


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15655 times:

Maybe it is getting to certain points where his personal fiances, tax laws, depreciation, the costs of maintaince, old and noisy engines, increasing difficulty to find mx parts, and so on have suggested he sell this old bird. His investments in commercial and residential real property and his Atlantic City casino interests have probably been tanking over the last 2 years so he may be having to 'right size' his lifestyle.

Perhaps too, he wants to get a smaller a/c, one that can be operated out of Teterboro, which does not allow such large a/c to operate there as may be getting a hassle from operating out of LGA.

Then again, maybe he wants a new 'toy', a more up to date a/c. I bet he can get a good deal on a nice late model biz jet with many companies having to sell or drop leases on them due to the economic pressures.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15563 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
Why does this guy have such a bad taste? The frames of the pictures are absolutely out of the style of the rest of the furnishings, totally unfitting and disgusting.

Exactly! But "The Donald" has never been known for his taste, he's only known for his ability to make money.



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User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15438 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 9):
Another thing that could be a factor is that the 727 is beginning to be banned in some countries due to noise restrictions.

The ad says the a/c is stage III [modified].


User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15262 times:

From what I have heard" is not only is it dated ",but the cost is much higher than a twin as a majority of his flights are from the Ne to his home in florida. Ive heard it was a 757 he was in the market for and not a 737 but im sure someone here would know the differnece in operating cost between the two on a 1300 mile weekly basis. I was told the 727 was very fuel thirsty
and the cost savings would warrant paying for a new a/c.



i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15221 times:

At one time "The Don" had an l-10-11 i dont know whatever became of it or if he ever had it reconfigured as I have never seen it unless it was for a casino or something. N125DT


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 15052 times:

The Donald routinely criticizes the Saudi prince and others who flaunt their money with large wide body airliners as personal jets. I could be wrong, but I could swear I heard that he's replacing the 727 with a Gulfstream.


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User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 15008 times:

He had made a comment once why buy a 50 million dollar corporate jet when there are thousands in the desert for a 1/4 of the price


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14811 times:

If he buys a 757 what a disgraceful example of gluttony and excess: nobody should deny him a nicely equipped executive aircraft. And no, I a not "denying" his "right" to buy whatever he wnats. But rights are one thing and a conscience and sense of ethics are another. In this day and age, that one individual would consume the resources necessary to build and then operate a 757 to fly himself around is unconscionable. But, as Gordon Gecko said in Wall St "...greed is good." Except for fact that attitude nearly bankrupted the world last year.

Trump's ego would require the Antonov 225. What he realistically needs for a very comfortable and useful corporate jet (let's say a long range Gulfstream nicely equipped..reasonable for a major businessman)--but why would common sense ever prevail...


User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3075 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14147 times:



Quoting CayMan (Reply 23):
If he buys a 757 what a disgraceful example of gluttony and excess

Why? A number of businessmen have their own 757's.

Quoting CayMan (Reply 23):
In this day and age, that one individual would consume the resources necessary to build and then operate a 757 to fly himself around is unconscionable.

A very socialist view of the world. And what does "consume the resources to build" even mean? Shouldn't you be blaming Boeing for that?


25 Luv2cattlecall : No resources are required to build one, since they are out of production. Seeing the flood of perfectly workable aircraft getting mothballed, his pur
26 FLALEFTY : Yeah, and The Donald could also fly from Teterboro with a Gulfstream 550/650. It's not like The Donald is touring with U2 and their entourage. Gulfst
27 Rampart : Can someone clue me in on the country of the registration for this aircraft? Registration Number VP-BDJ Where is "VP" registered? -Rampart
28 Lightsaber : But 727's are soon going to lose any 'economy of scale' to maintain them. They'll become like the L1011, extra expensive to maintain as the skill set
29 RFields5421 : Registered in Bermuda VP-A - Anguilla VP-B & VQ-B - Bermuda VP-C - Cayman Islands VP-F - Falkland Islands VP-G - Gibraltar VP-L - British Virgin Isla
30 Peanuts : I still don't understand why he is selling it though. Wouldn't a guy with an ego his size be working on your own legacy by now? Like a Trump Museum. W
31 RFields5421 : Though we have no real idea - the main reason is either (1) downsizing to cut down on his cost of living expenses; or (2) upsizing to a jet capable o
32 Viscount724 : Does the LGA perimeter rule (1500 miles except DEN and except on Saturday) apply only to scheduled flights?
33 MandingoBoy : A big boy like "The Donald," should be in a Falcon 7X (if he can afford it), its big and has the legs for a transcontinental travel.
34 MandingoBoy : Tell that to Roman Abramovich. He gets around in a 767.
35 Par13del : The rule is about airport competition, I would be shocked if it applied to general aviation.
36 ContnlEliteCMH : This is a remarkably contradictory statement you have made. You won't deny anybody their freedoms, so long as they choose to do things of which you a
37 Soon7x7 : Trump is going for a 767...Check out Avpro.com...they are the broker marketing the jet with interior shots...j
38 Soon7x7 : Correction..Avprojets.com...j
39 Bohica : How true. Look at the list of contestants for the upcoming "Celebrity Apprentice": Cyndi Lauper Sharon Osbourne Bret Michaels Curtis Stone Rod Blagoy
40 MrSkyGuy : The "brokers" of the world often don't advertise aircraft with an exclusive listing.. this is a market with which I was extremely well accustomed for
41 B777fan : What a great example of envy and or jealousy. Is he breaking any law? He has the same personal liberty as you. For all you know he will donate the pr
42 GothamSpotter : A 767 would be fine. Wouldn't be surprised to see Abramovich get a bigger jet if Trump gets a 76...Trump is not in the same league of billionaires. I
43 BMI727 : Unless you are going to be the one buying or putting gas in it I don't see why you would have a problem with it. I will consume whatever resources I
44 GothamSpotter : Cuban also owns a 100-seat 767-200, but he will soon be leasing it out to North American Airlines for their own charters.
45 Post contains links and images UA777222 : Mark dumped the one he bought on eBay for a new 550 and Paul dumped the 75 he had for his sports teams (primary for the Seahawks) a while back to Goo
46 Post contains links UA777222 : Better look at Paul's jet, if you have a couple of minutes to waste, cool to take a look at. http://www.wentworth.aero/gallery-757.htm
47 Lufthansi : @ UA777222: Tks for that link! Great details on every sale!
48 Lufthansi : Isn't it a pain in th a$$ to spent a lot of money into new engines (stage III), winglets and so on to get a "727NG" just to sell it a few years later?
49 Post contains images UA777222 : Regular LGA fliers know exactly where he parks it as it's often on display for anyone taxiing to take-off. I highly doubt he's going to be downsizing
50 AverageUser : This one seems to be a FedEx conversion, where the original engines remain, but major modifications are made to all external components relating to a
51 Vapar8 : His 727 is a very high time bird. I bet maintenence is getting expensive. There are very low time 727 available if he wanted. There are two on the wen
52 AverageUser : Why should a stage 3 modified 727 be a problem?
53 F9Animal : Oh come on now CayMan! You know as well as I do.. If you had that kind of money, your happy airliners.net geeky self would have a fleet of big toys!
54 RussianJet : I can't understand it either, particularly as, like Jetfuel already pointed out, we've already discussed it at length:
55 Post contains links Vegas005 : This article says the plane is old and Trump is upgrading to a larger aircraft. http://www.luxist.com/2009/11/10/donald-trumps-plane-for-sale/
56 Vapar8 : Because stage 4 is coming. It is a fear that soon enough it will not be welcome in Europe. My friend owns one of the low time 727 super 27 that is fo
57 Lufthansi : Hm on German Wikipedia it is said that he is a real nice guy as he is supposed to be gentle to all of his employees no matter how good or bad their p
58 UA777222 : He's a (here's an American term for ya) complete tool. I would double-check all the gold and make sure it's not gilded. This man has promoted his wea
59 Eprn1n2 : This is by far the silliest thing I've read today. What a disgraceful example of envy. We live in a free society and pursue our self interest with vi
60 KC135TopBoom : Why doesn't he have his B-727 registered in the US with a FAA issued N-number ending with "DT"?
61 United_Fan : A nice 752 with winglets or a 733 with winglets would be real nice .
62 Vapar8 : My guess is tax issues most yachts are not us flagged eaither. Security also, some people do not want an N number, but having Trump all over it doesn
63 Post contains links CitationJet : VP-B*** is the registration for Bermuda. It must be for tax purposes. I don't think it is to hide his identity, given the "Trump" painted on the side
64 Post contains links Lightsaber : I hadn't thought of that perspective. I do not know. But at least he has the option on Saturdays. Must be tax reasons. The security incognito bit goe
65 Lufthansi : From what I've learned today Mr. Trump is not as favored in the US as I thought. Next to that he has to show everybody everything he has. Indeed I wou
66 RFields5421 : The B727 is painted to reflect the airline Trump Shuttle. It was TB - before that IATA code was later recycled to be used by Jetairfly. Trump took ov
67 Post contains links and images CatIII : I don't think Donald Trump spends his time looking at airliners.net so our discussion has no bearing on fanning his ego, one way or the other. It's a
68 Post contains links AverageUser : I think the Commission would make its intents clear well in advance before such regulations are enforced. Currently, it is still possible to fly a st
69 Pvd757 : Maybe he buys one of the undeliverable 787 tests frames for cheap...............
70 RussianJet : Yeah, and maybe he'll buy an old space shuttle or indeed a TU-144...... Let's all engage in totally unfounded speculation, shall we??
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