Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Tu-154 Crash In Iran...Again  
User currently offlinePhatty3374 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16874 times:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2010/01/24/AR2010012400307.html

Reports of 20 injured after crash landing...hope the next news we get is good news.

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12562 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16849 times:

Thankfully it doesn't sound as bad as previous accidents (although it is "early hours" of course).

Taban Air has seven 154s, of which six are operated by other carriers, including Tajik Air and Kolavia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taban_Air


User currently offlineLEEDS19 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16492 times:

What are the Implications for Taban Air going to be?

Aria Air were grounded after the IL-62 landing accident,also in Mashhad last year, yet Caspian Airlines were not after all were killed in their TU-154 Accident.

I guess we will have to see what the Investigation uncovers.

Heres praying no-one was killed.

,


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12562 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16287 times:

More on the accident from PPRUNE:

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...3170-tu-154-crash-mashhad-iran.htm

Aircraft was RA-85787, leased from Kolavia

Landing in fog, due to medical emergency.

Acft (see pictures) is totally W/O, but still no fatalies, thankfully; number of injured now increased to 46.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Shary - Iranian Spotters


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Kambiz-Iranian Sky



User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11685 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15824 times:



Quoting LEEDS19 (Reply 2):
Aria Air were grounded after the IL-62 landing accident,also in Mashhad last year, yet Caspian Airlines were not after all were killed in their TU-154 Accident.

As far as I recall, the Caspian accident was put down to unknown causes (read: maintainance), whilst the Aria crash was blamed on Pilot error after they landed mid runway and fast.

Glad to hear there were no fatalities. I'd love to know why Iran specifically has such a bad record for the Tu-154 which they can get spares for, whilst it has a pretty good record for western aircraft which they can't legitimately get spares for, and often end up making themselves. It's not the like climate gets to them, the Tu154 operates in similar regions and greater numbers right across Central Asia .



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineOV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15561 times:

OIMM 240330Z 00000KT 0300 FG VV003 02/02 Q1021 A3015=
OIMM 240400Z 00000KT 0200 FG VV002 02/02 Q1021 A3017=
OIMM 240350Z 00000KT 0200 FG VV002 02/02 Q1021 A3017=

Why would they even consider landing in such conditions? The ILS for runway 31 at Mashhad requires a minimum visibility of 800 meters or RVR of 720 meters. RVR is for some reason not provided in the METAR strings (perhaps not measured at the time), but it would be difficult to imagine it being much greater than 500-600 meters in such fog.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 4):
I'd love to know why Iran specifically has such a bad record for the Tu-154 which they can get spares for, whilst it has a pretty good record for western aircraft which they can't legitimately get spares for, and often end up making themselves. It's not the like climate gets to them, the Tu154 operates in similar regions and greater numbers right across Central Asia.

If we look at the three major disaster that have been with Tu-154 in Iran in the past 10 years, we can see that 2 of them weren't very type-specific. One had a midair collision with a fighter. Another one hit a mountain. Iran is the largest foreign Tu-154 operator these days, and the aircraft is a true workhorse on the domestic routes, thus it is more likely to end up in an accident.

The last year's Caspian Airlines crash was probably more related to the type though, both through poor maintenance and the inherent design flaw that subjects the hydraulic lines to damage in case of an uncontained failure.


User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3337 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15473 times:

This link has video footage.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8477389.stm



you don't get a second chance to make a first impression!
User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15145 times:

Avherald has some good pics
http://avherald.com/h?article=426402c1&opt=0


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12171 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14675 times:



Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 7):
Avherald has some good pics
http://avherald.com/h?article=426402...opt=0

FoxNews has some pictures too, including the broken off right wing (apparently the left wing broke off too).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583753,00.html?test=latestnews

A little speed tape and she'll be as good as new..................


User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11525 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
A little speed tape and she'll be as good as new...

From what I've seen this is a write-off, both wings are gone, the tail is completely sheared off, the rest us burned out.

It seems the rescue crews and firefighters are due some kudos as they appear to have brought the fire under control rather quickly and probably saved many lives.



CSud,D9,MD8x,D10,Trid,BAC1,A30,31,319,320,321,33,346,B71,72,73,74,75,76,77,L10,S20,A42,A72,T13,T15,F50,F70,F100,B146
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10941 times:



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 9):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
A little speed tape and she'll be as good as new...

From what I've seen this is a write-off, both wings are gone, the tail is completely sheared off, the rest us burned out.

He was being sarcastic, though we all know the Tu-154 is an amazingly tough old bird. I'd fly in a Tu-154 with a reputable carrier any day.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10553 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 4):
As far as I recall, the Caspian accident was put down to unknown causes (read: maintenance), whilst the Aria crash was blamed on Pilot error after they landed mid runway and fast.

The latest update from Iranian CAO, posted on their website (in Persian), states that crash was due to un contained failure of engine 3, with resultant destruction of the hydraulic lines and the "number 4" engine (probably APU).

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 4):
The last year's Caspian Airlines crash was probably more related to the type though, both through poor maintenance and the inherent design flaw that subjects the hydraulic lines to damage in case of an uncontained failure.

The aircraft had very recently been overhauled in Russia. The design flaw seems to be similar to that of DC-10, which is another tri-jet, of course. The Sioux City United Airlines crash comes to mind.



Boland Aseman Jayegah Man Ast.
User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10257 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 10):
though we all know the Tu-154 is an amazingly tough old bird.

Can be seen here as well - the fuselage is intact, it didn't break at any point.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 10):
I'd fly in a Tu-154 with a reputable carrier any day.

Same here (and did as well).



CSud,D9,MD8x,D10,Trid,BAC1,A30,31,319,320,321,33,346,B71,72,73,74,75,76,77,L10,S20,A42,A72,T13,T15,F50,F70,F100,B146
User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9985 times:

I pray that everyone will be okay. I flew in one of those planes on Aeroflot back in the late 80's. All I remember is that on the inside and outside it looked like a 727.


God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9825 times:

What I want to know is.... how the hell did the pilot rip off the tail but nothing else? He did of ripping everything he could have ripped off without doing some major damage  Silly Any other reports on injuries?

User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9643 times:

The "727ski" is a tough bird. Sad to see another one written off, but it's good there were no fatalities. It seems the ground crews in Mashad did a great job. I do however think that the ICAA's decision to suspend Taban Air's AOC is an unecessary knee-jerk reaction.

I too would fly on a Tu-154 with a reputable carrier anytime.



I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26691 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9209 times:



Quoting A300 (Reply 11):

The latest update from Iranian CAO, posted on their website (in Persian), states that crash was due to un contained failure of engine 3, with resultant destruction of the hydraulic lines and the "number 4" engine (probably APU).



Quoting A300 (Reply 11):

The aircraft had very recently been overhauled in Russia. The design flaw seems to be similar to that of DC-10, which is another tri-jet, of course. The Sioux City United Airlines crash comes to mind.

I was going to say the same exact thing. I wonder how for how much of the flight this was an issue. If it happened at cruise, these pilots obviously deserve some praise.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9009 times:



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 14):
how the hell did the pilot rip off the tail but nothing else?

According to the linked BBC article in Reply 6, tail strike. Must have been one helluva strike though... of course, the engine & APU explosion could have compromised the stucture.

Quoting OV735 (Reply 5):
Why would they even consider landing in such conditions?

Again from the same article, medical emergency on board.



Follow me on twitter for YVR movements @vernonYVR
User currently offlineOV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8420 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 17):
Again from the same article, medical emergency on board.

Given that Ashgabat, Turkmenistan was just a quarter of an hour's flight away, and enjoying a much better weather at the time (UTAA 240400Z 26003MPS 240V300 4400 BR BKN230 01/M01 Q1021 NOSIG 99CLRD70), it seems just too awkward to jeopardize everyone on board by going in below the minimums.


User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day ago) and read 8168 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting OV735 (Reply 18):
Given that Ashgabat, Turkmenistan was just a quarter of an hour's flight away, and enjoying a much better weather at the time (UTAA 240400Z 26003MPS 240V300 4400 BR BKN230 01/M01 Q1021 NOSIG 99CLRD70), it seems just too awkward to jeopardize everyone on board by going in below the minimums.

Ashgabat (Eshghabad in Persian), is in the Republic of Turkmenistan. Arranging entry would have taken more than the 30 minutes flight time. There are a number of other Iranian airports within 1 hour flight from MHD. The weather was probably poor in many of them and some are not ILS equipped.

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 15):
I do however think that the ICAA's decision to suspend Taban Air's AOC is an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction.

Given the recent series of crashes in Iran, which have involved small airline companies, the Iranian people are fed up and scared. The suspension, as with that of Aria, was probably meant to show that the Iranian CAO and Ministry of Roads and Transportation are doing something about it. Furthermore, both the Aria and Taban planes were on foreign registries and probably flown by non-Iranian crew; both of these facts limit the effectiveness of the Iranian CAO. On the other hand, the Caspian Tu-154M was Iranian registered and flown by Iranian crew. Caspian has been around for nearly two decades and had a good safety record prior to the Ghazvin crash. Overall, I favor the CAO's decision to suspend Aria and Taban AOCs. If it were up to me, I would pull all AOCs except for those of Iran Air (mainline), Iran Aseman Airlines, Kish Air, Mahan Air and Naft Air. Both Iran Air Tours and SAHA have terrible safety records and I am disappointed that they are still allowed to fly.



Boland Aseman Jayegah Man Ast.
User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day ago) and read 8112 times:

Some more very detailed pictures online here:

http://www.aerospacetalk.ir/vb/showthread.php?p=256086



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineOV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 7239 times:



Quoting A300 (Reply 19):
Ashgabat (Eshghabad in Persian), is in the Republic of Turkmenistan. Arranging entry would have taken more than the 30 minutes flight time. There are a number of other Iranian airports within 1 hour flight from MHD. The weather was probably poor in many of them and some are not ILS equipped.

I don't see what sort of delays they could have encountered when diverting to Ashgabat. Ashgabat would probably have been one of the planned alternates anyway. Looking at the enroute chart, there is an airway directly linking the two airports (G775), with a total distance of 102 nautical miles.

I believe patients in life-threatening condition are normally transported to the hospital upon arrival, and the usual country entrance procedures are carried out later. The rest of the passengers would wait in the plane until the weather in their planned destination clears and the flight could continue.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 7047 times:



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 9):
It seems the rescue crews and firefighters are due some kudos as they appear to have brought the fire under control rather quickly and probably saved many lives.

They certainly did a very good job - but having the wings ripped away really helps since most of the fuel becomes separated from the fuselage.


User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 6674 times:

Why did the wings separate at the gear attachment points rather than the gear itself collapse?

User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 6287 times:

Looking those pictures and video it's very fortunate that nobody died. They survive the crash, the fire, the smoke.
Never flew a in any Tupolev, but it seems a very strong airplane, the fuselage is burned but structurally intact.

Saludos
G.



80 Knots...V1...Rotate...Gear Up...DC-3 / EMB-110 / Fairchild-227 / Ab318-19-20 / B732 / B763
25 RFields5421 : As stated above, the 154 is built tough. It is intended to operate from rough fields, much like a C-130. Many of the fields the plane used when new w
26 Airbuseric : Same opinion I have. Tupolevs are like a flying tank. The structure is really heavy, but strong! The tailmounted engines might also helped positively
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
TU-154 Crash In Iran posted Wed Feb 13 2002 01:40:40 by RJ_Delta
Iran-140 Crash In Iran Yesterday. posted Mon Feb 16 2009 07:09:32 by SIBILLE
Tu-154. Still In Production Line? posted Sat Jan 31 2009 02:31:30 by SIBILLE
TU-134 Crash In June 2006 At SIP (Simferopol) posted Sat Nov 4 2006 23:52:16 by MHG
Antonov Freigher Crash In Iran? posted Wed Mar 29 2006 09:12:56 by Fly-K
Airplane Crash In Iran, 13 Dead. posted Mon Jan 9 2006 09:34:33 by Alessandro
The Cause Of The Tu-154 Crash. posted Sun Jul 8 2001 03:39:09 by Qantas737
Yak-40 Crash In Iran posted Thu May 17 2001 23:44:42 by BH346
Tu-154 And Yak-40/42 Operations In Iran posted Sat Mar 23 2002 23:37:24 by Ben
December 2010. End Of Tu-154 In Aeroflot Fleet. posted Fri Aug 22 2008 09:09:08 by SIBILLE